Increasing yield with defoliation indoors: What's it mean? How to do it?

You might want to ask Cory of BPN, a sponsor here about that.

What are the room temps?
 
You have a Phosphorus and also a nitrogen (common at this stage) MABE a sulfur deficiency because how the leafs are curling....

the burnt tips also could be caused by a zinc def too, looks like you need to add something high in Phosphorus to get your bud size up,

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this is a good additive that i use week before i switch to flower and all through, you need to get somthing that will help your bud finish off strong, General Hydro has a finisher that you can use too.
 
just want to say thank u all for the help this is my first time ok so if that is the case will my bloombastic (0-14-15) will help with phosphorus or get the guano lol and for nitrogen will the buddha grow work or do i need somthing else and my room temps are 76 day and around 68 at night. i have about 3 or 4 weeks left of flower shes still kickin out some fresh white hairs. bassman59 should i defoliate my other lady (the smaller one on the right)
or slowly start taking leaves off shes week 4 flower
 
Seriously, I'd call Cory @ Blue Planet Nutrients He's a sponsor here and has a Master degree in this shit. Direct him to your post and he'll give ya the straight scoop. No matter if you use his nutrients or not. *I do suggest his nutes in the future, they are great.
 
Contact via email, leave your number and he'll either call or email. Contact info is on website.
 
There is definitely a phosphorus deficiency with what looks like some nitrogen deficiency as well as most likely some micronutrient deficiencies (zinc) judging by what you are feeding them. The leaves that look like crap are too late to be saved in this stage of the game. Start feeding asap with a good base nute that provides everything and triple check the pH. You are very far into the game and will be getting close to harvest soon and your plants are well on their way allocating all available nutrients from the fan leaves to the buds.

the best course of action is to just provide your plants with a good base with all required MACRO and MICRO nutrients and try and provide them with what they need during their last few weeks. Any one of my base products will work but with shipping times, you may not get them in time to help your babies.



budwiz420 said:
thank u bassman for the fast reply im stripping her down right now here are some pics of the infected leaves under normal light so u can see the color better (not all her leaves are like this most of them just have burnt tips)
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thanks man for the fast reply i will be using ur organic line of nutes in all of my future grows. but right now all i have for a base nute is buddha bloom and grow (which by the way suck) are ur nutes online only or can i drive up to the hydro store and grab em or will the buddha crap work and as far as the bloombastic will that help with p or do i need bat guano (i feel like all the money i spent on nutes was a waist. damn hydro store employes are con artists!!!)
 
Great support from bpn!

Order his stuff online. I've always gotten it within a week from order date. Shipping times vary with locations.
 
:thumb: No Mate - No offence taken Bro...
Ive been reading your journal and posts and I believe you are a fairly adept grower, I respect what you say is what I mean anyway. So yeah, A better PH pen would be gr8, will pick one up soon. Mine may be accurate but it also could be out!
With my space, it would honestly be worse off for me to grow 2 or more plants, as its 8.5ft tall x 4.5ft wide but only 2.5ft deep!! If the depth were double that - Id be cooking with gas!! But say I tried 2 smaller plants in mine as is, theyd need to be kept below 30" each and would need to be trained or SCROG'd so as they dont grow into each other..
This is why I do a single plant as youve read, I try to maximise yield from it. If I pull over 1 pound p/15 weeks, after a couple of harvests Im well ahead after 2nd harvest..
As with last grow, Kiksum, she was a shorter plant at 4ft or so x 4.5 and I got over 16.5oz dry, so I know full well what youre saying when you talk of losing growth potential after a certain distance, all I try to do is give each branch as much light all down the branch for greater bud growth. And it depends on how the plant grows too, as if youre cramped for space as I often am, sometimes branches block others and some branches are basically just got a small cola and small fluffy nugs.. So theyre essentially useless, But I let them go, Sometimes I trim them but I dont like taking a branch unless its dying off..
I actually have to remove some inner branch shoots on the middle of Lucy as they wont grow well and are a waste of the plants time and energy - Perfect for CLONERS!! I dont kno anyone who clones - even if I did, I wouldnt let em kno I had any. I have cloned before - A LONG TIME AGO THO:/ So bit sketchy on how Id go, but if I remember correctly, out of 4 cuttings we got 2 to root. My brother took the good one to his mate and they grew it to be an apparent decent plant.. I know my brother was given least half pound of it he was happy with that..
Hey - What do you mean I using 15 watts p/Sq/ft with my 600w HPS in my space? Not being rude - I just dont kno how you got that figure..
My space is as I said 8.5ft tall x 4.5ft wide x 2.5ft deep. So in this space I have my light up top obviously, about 6"inch space from globe to plant tops.. The light/hood hangs down about 1.5ft or so, but it is ALL adjustable, lights on a track so I can Raise, Lower, Left and Right the light which I do at about 4-5hr intervals. So what would make my Watt P/sq/ft so low? My area is covered in mylar also..
I agree that some plant of the light has minimal growth - mines sort of like a SCROG - where I trim some shoots/leaves below the screen which in my case is, I remove the lower growths that are getting barely any light, I do this to a point on most branches but some I leave alone. So I will usually get bugger all from the lower bottom 1/3rd due to this, But the other 2/3rds makes up for this in a way as each individial cola increases in size and the top canopy and lower buds grow well if you ve trimmed off leaves where needed, I dont usually like to take many at once, I know theres few opinions bout this, my decision is not based on ANYONEs ideas - just mine, So I stagger it out over the Veg and as the plant is growing. Then as I go into flower Ill go over it, take whats needed, secure the tethers and let her go and do her thing, Just hoping I get some purple??
Kiksumass ' cola's were half the size of the previous grows were - Both C99xPR - with the first grow my harvest got ripped off- but they left me the 4 - 2ft long cola's?? Anyways, I dried them and they weighed 6.5oz , with all the rest that was taken id have gotten easy 1.5pound IMO.. Thats why my expectations of the last grow were so low, I tried to grow this last one quicker as some hadnt liked the 15/16 week period. So I Vegged her only til she was 2.5ft instead of just over 3.5ft, and then flipped her.. She ended up hitting about 4.5ftx 4.5ft and the colas were lucky to be 1ft.. Just prior to harvest I guesstimated 8oz from her as she only seemed to have average size nugs on her.. BUT BARELY HALFWAY THRU TRIMMING - I noticed the bud to stem ratio was crazy!! And id end up with big piles of buds from a small branch so my spirits were raised after that trim. And in the morning I finished the rest off and yeah she gave me a pound so that great. From a bit over a 50" plant.
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This was after a small branches nugs trimmed of, I took the pic as I looked down and thought HOLY SHYTE!:):) So I get what youre saying... Thank you so much for your input and the great rational behind your ideas, I am fairly conservative when it comes to my plants but Ive seen them respond well to Defol. S/Crop,LST so theres a few areas for growers to try and see what their results are. If I got a new place I could grow my 3 outdoor gals, Which would be epic:)
Oh well, Not atm.. Thanks mate, Chat soon. Smokemup
 
@smoke, Allow me to clear something up smoke. The most common vernacular when you state 8.5x4.5 would mean 8.5' WIDE, by 4.5' DEEP. You used 8.5x4.5 many times in your posts but this is the first time I've seen mention of 2.5 deep that I recall. HUGE difference obviously. Especially when I mention I would personally grow 6 plants in 5 g buckets and 2-3 lights in that space! Would be a tough fit! :laughtwo:

For most folks we don't often mention max height of room/tent as a measurement since rarely do we grow that tall. Obviously, you can see the confusion.

I tend to agree that with 2.5' depth, you're in a tough spot for multiple plants and yield. But I still think you're growing too tall for your light. It just cant give light that deep down (height wise I mean) into the plant. Tons of super cropping, and lateral bending, string support, semi scrog style, and less overall height will yield you better for the most part. That's just how the math works out.

But I totally understand why you only grow 1 plant now. I honestly wouldn't know how to grow multiple plants in that space and get the yield I'd want.

on a personal note, I just got home from work, 2 hrs after lights on. I take a peak into the tent and the 1k light is not lit! WTF? Timer is working, bulb looks ok. I have no spare 1k bulbs and am pretty broke with bills being paid presently. So I plugged in my 400w ballast and bulb and will be forced to flower 3-4 days that way and hopefully make enough $ to buy a bulb and see if it's bulb or ballast as the issue.

It's always something getting in the way. ho hum.
 
*Btw, you're getting basically 53.3 watts per sq ft now that we know it's 2.5d not 8.5d. Which is awesome.

Mylar, inches from plant, etc doesnt mean anything when doing the math. So fugetaboutit for this. Those are variables.
 
how do u guys pull a pound off one i vegged my plant for 3 months and she looks like a quarter pound maby less and i scroged and super cropped and defoliated maby its my strain or somthin
 
Could be strain. Could be your growing regimen too. Nutrients, media, and having all your peripheral stuff dialed in perfect is important too. Obviously, as we've demonstrated here, light makes a huge impact as well.
 
i have no idea why these are side ways but i cant fix it to stoned:lot-o-toke: but here are the ladies all defoliated i might need to defoliate a little more on the smaller one (shes like 2 big ass buds lol). imma head to the hydro store and grab some blood meal for nitrogen and some bat guano for phosphorus also imma get a digital ph meter
oh bassmn im using a 400w hps and 175w mh am i benefiting from the mh or should i not use it
oh and why are her hairs dying i woke up this morning to a bunch of burnt hairs still some white ones but not a lot (she might look a little burnt on the buds but its really purple not brown some of it at least but the bud it self is green an healthy lol)
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just got back from the hydro store an got a bag of seabird guano 12-11-2. i feed her last night with some buddha grow an bloom, bloombastc, calmag+, and molasses and shes looking alot better i checked her trichomes and shes 50% clear and 50% cloudy i want 50% cloudy and 50% amber. how long dose it take to get amber
 
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