Icemud's Breeding Projects And Motherchucking Pollination Extravaganza

[Icemud]

The guy I got the cut from was given seeds from a local caretaker. He grew out two seeds and both were females. BOth were varying shades of purple and both smelt like grape candy. He gave me cuts that he had left in a dark closet after forgetting about them. At the time I was not set up to clone and my plants were already basically flowering under veg light so I thought it was useless to take them anyways. I also figured he would take some himself and I could get it back later. He ended up letting it go thinking I would have cuts as well. Super disappointed. The tops were all as tall as a 1 gallon jug and as thick as a 20 oz soda bottle. I averaged 3 ounces a plant off of 18-22 inch tall plants lol. I wish i still had my old camera that had pics on it, but it got stolen I think.

Wow, that is a huge bud!!! I wish mine would grow huge cola's like that. Mine seems that it is very very slow to veg, very little stretch in flowering, and the buds are extremely tight and compact, classic GDP smell to them which I know (unmistakable aroma) is GDP, but just is such a pain to grow and yields really low. You must have had a killer pheno of it! Mine also doesn't really turn purple besides a hint of purple here and there. Sorry to hear ya lost that cut

 

[TheGreenYeti]

Wow, that is a huge bud!!! I wish mine would grow huge cola's like that. Mine seems that it is very very slow to veg, very little stretch in flowering, and the buds are extremely tight and compact, classic GDP smell to them which I know (unmistakable aroma) is GDP, but just is such a pain to grow and yields really low. You must have had a killer pheno of it! Mine also doesn't really turn purple besides a hint of purple here and there. Sorry to hear ya lost that cut

I should say that was the colas while wet and fresh off the plant. I had to cut them down when trimming. I have had no other GDP than what me and my buddy grew. So it really could have been something else, but the candied grape and the looks of it really reminded me of everything I had read about it at the time. I do not think I topped any of the plants I had and with the low height I do not think they stretched any.

 

[Icemud]

BANGI HAZE F9 update time!!!

Happy Friday everyone!!!! Hope everyone had a great week. Mine.. well it was just normal but thats a good thing

So the Bangi Haze F9's are looking good, but surprisingly there is still a lot of height variation for them being F9 but with breeding F9 doesn't always mean true breeding. What I do find interesting is this strain is advertised on many seed sites as a 100% sativa or sativa dominant strain but I am seeing quite fat leaves for a supposed sativa. I then looked back into the genetic lineage of this strain and noticed that it was:

Congo x Nepal but when you look further into what Congo is, you will find that it is Africa Bangi Congo x {Africa Kongo #3 x Pakistan Chitral} so with the Pakistan Chitral in it, there is also some indica dom in the lineage. Then I read the description of what was done to this strain by Ace Seeds and they bred it for the Sativa effects, ease of growth and with a fast flowering strain. This makes complete sense they would have used a indica for a faster flowering cycle and easier to grow and why there are fatter leaves than normal. Everything I read about those that have grown or smoked this strain say its energizing, uplifting and heavy sativa and almost psychedelic which is awesome

They just received their 1st watering from birth as the soil took forever to dry out which is good and hopefully the roots really established themselves. This morning the leaves looked quite saggy so I knew they needed a drink. I gave them only pure R/O water with no additives as there should be plenty of nutrients in the soil as of now.

I gave a stem rub to 2 of the larger phenos, and both had very pungent terps just off a stem rub, which is a good sign. Stem rubs don't seem to do much in terms of the terp profile that will result, however these plants left a very skunky sulfur (lit match) type smell on my fingers and very strong so it will be interesting to see how they turn out.

Anyhow not much else as of now to share, once the plants get a little larger I will top all of them, but they still need some time to establish roots and growth before I shock em and top em.

Here are the photos from last night (pre watering)

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• Icemud
• May 31, 2019
• 420 bangi haze cannabis genetics icemud led grow light marijuana strain

Icemud indoor marijuana seed project featuring bangi Haze F9 strain genetics grown in soil under...

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• Icemud
• May 31, 2019
• 420 bangi haze cannabis genetics icemud led grow light marijuana strain

Icemud indoor marijuana seed project featuring bangi Haze F9 strain genetics grown in soil under...

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• Icemud
• May 31, 2019
• 420 bangi haze cannabis genetics icemud led grow light marijuana strain

Icemud indoor marijuana seed project featuring bangi Haze F9 strain genetics grown in soil under...

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• Icemud
• May 31, 2019
• 420 bangi haze cannabis genetics icemud led grow light marijuana strain

Icemud indoor marijuana seed project featuring bangi Haze F9 strain genetics grown in soil under...

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• Icemud
• May 31, 2019
• 420 bangi haze cannabis genetics icemud led grow light marijuana strain

Icemud indoor marijuana seed project featuring bangi Haze F9 strain genetics grown in soil under...

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• Icemud
• May 31, 2019
• 420 bangi haze cannabis genetics icemud led grow light marijuana strain

Icemud indoor marijuana seed project featuring bangi Haze F9 strain genetics grown in soil under...

 

[Pennywise]

Bangi Haze looking super so far!

 

[Icemud]

Bangi Haze looking super so far!

Thanks Pennywise! Yea so far its definitely peaked my interest quite a bit to see how it does. I noticed that the leaves are a little blueish/green which generally means too much N, and a little discoloration around the edges so hopefully once it sinks the roots into the soil better that it starts "fixing itself" but we will see. The stem rub though definitely impressed me as it was very potent already with terps

 

[Pennywise]

Hoping you get some nice haze terps.

 

[Icemud]

Hoping you get some nice haze terps.

Me too... From a lot of the information out there its said to have some lemon, sweet, floral, liquor taste and smell... so not sure exactly what that means to me but I guess I will know in a few months lol

 

[Pennywise]

Sounds more African to me which is cool too.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Bang up job on the Bangi!

 

[Icemud]

Sounds more African to me which is cool too.

Yea what's odd is I read there is no "haze" in Bangi Haze...

Honestly I don't really know what technically qualifies a strain as a Haze... I've looked into it and it seems that nobody really knows, I mean its not like its a certain cross, or hybrid or certain landrace... its kind of like "kush" in a way, that kush could reference master kush, og kush, bubba kush, hindu kush which are all very different.

• It seems that when people mention haze, it definitely falls into the sativa catigory as it usually is described as energetic and uplifting.
• From some websites it classifies haze as: mexican x columbian x thai x India strains so basically that represents probably a good 1/4 of the strains out there. It definitely doesn't include african or afghani or other middle eastern strains it seems in the descriptions I've read.
• Others have said that true "haze" or the original hazes were very very long flowering times (16 weeks) which is why it died out because most growers didn't want to wait that long, when they could actually turn 2 or 3 cycles in that same time.
• Known to have thin leaves, grow very tall.

Here is what is said to be the origin of Haze: (source alchimiaweb(dot)com)

Haze is, probably, the most grown and renowned 100% sativa hybrid throughout the world. Its origins date back to the early 1970’s in the region of Santa Cruz, California (USA).During this time, two brothers known as the “Haze Brothers” (R. Haze and J. Haze) cultivated and crossed different cannabis lines using seeds of the best imported sativa strains, most times offered by their friend and neighbor Sam “The Skunkman”.It all began with a hybrid between a landrace sativa from Mexico and another landrace from Colombia. One year later, the best females selected from this hybrid were crossed with a landrace strain from southern India. Finally, the female offspring of this new hybrid was crossed again with a landrace male from Thailand.


Thus, Haze is a 100% Sativa hybrid of cannabis plants from Mexico, Colombia, India and Thailand. At first, the Haze wasn?t very stable and showed many different phenotypes. The most known was the famous “Purple Haze“, a pheno with Colombian dominance. Purple Haze became the most powerful and beautiful Haze strain on the market, but at the same time it also became the most expensive one.Sam ?The Skunkman? took some of the seeds from the Haze Brothers to the Netherlands in 1976, being among them the Original Haze. At the beginning of the 80?s he crossed the Atlantic and finally moved to the Netherlands, where he sold his seeds under the label of Cultivator’s Choice.

The Haze has a strong aroma of spices with light incensed and sandalwood undertones and a citric aftertaste provided by the genetics from Thailand. It induces a powerful, uplifting and psychedelic effect, incredibly clear, energizing and very long lasting.Being a 100% Sativa strain, it was difficult to grow indoors. The flowering period was very long (more than 16 weeks) and plants grew too vigorously, soon reaching a considerable size difficult to handle in indoor grow rooms. The Haze was then crossed with Indica strains to adapt it to indoor environments. Sam The Skunkman developed several hybrids, as for example Haze/Skunk or Indian Haze, which can be found in SeedsMan’s catalogue.A young Australian-dutch called Neville Schoenmakers (at that time owner of the shop “The Seed Bank”, today known as Sensi Seeds Bank) recovered some seeds of a pure Haze. He selected two excellent male plants and called them “A” and “C”, and also a female named “B”. Then, he also developed several crosses with some Indica strains, thus creating new Haze hybrids that had an immediate success on the market.

So based on this above, it seems that any strain with the 4 elements (columbian, thai, mexican and india) would be considered a Haze I guess...

The only "haze" that I can remember specifically smoking was Super Silver Haze when I first moved to cali over a decade ago, and it was absolutely fantastic, however I didn't find it very energetic and more of a inbetween feeling. I think I may have had purple haze before too, but not sure, and since I am not sure if I did, then it must not have really inspired me much.

Maybe I will try to find some Neviles Haze in the future to see what it's like...

I do have seeds of Azure Haze which was used to create blue dream, so maybe I will run those in the near future

 

[Chris Scorpio]

I've been loving my Amnesia Haze
It's a 12 week strain, but ran it at 10/14 and it finished in 10

Doing a Purple Haze x Malawi now, that's a looonnnggggg flower, line 16+ weeks
Real excited about it, think some fun crosses are in it's future

 

[Pennywise]

The origins of Haze - MNS Forums

Hey guys Below is an article that recently ran in Treating Yourself Magazine, issue #14. Its been sometime in the making now, but a good friend asked

www.mrnice.nl

 

[TheGreenYeti]

Yea what's odd is I read there is no "haze" in Bangi Haze...

Honestly I don't really know what technically qualifies a strain as a Haze... I've looked into it and it seems that nobody really knows, I mean its not like its a certain cross, or hybrid or certain landrace... its kind of like "kush" in a way, that kush could reference master kush, og kush, bubba kush, hindu kush which are all very different.

• It seems that when people mention haze, it definitely falls into the sativa catigory as it usually is described as energetic and uplifting.
• From some websites it classifies haze as: mexican x columbian x thai x India strains so basically that represents probably a good 1/4 of the strains out there. It definitely doesn't include african or afghani or other middle eastern strains it seems in the descriptions I've read.
• Others have said that true "haze" or the original hazes were very very long flowering times (16 weeks) which is why it died out because most growers didn't want to wait that long, when they could actually turn 2 or 3 cycles in that same time.
• Known to have thin leaves, grow very tall.

Here is what is said to be the origin of Haze: (source alchimiaweb(dot)com)


So based on this above, it seems that any strain with the 4 elements (columbian, thai, mexican and india) would be considered a Haze I guess...

The only "haze" that I can remember specifically smoking was Super Silver Haze when I first moved to cali over a decade ago, and it was absolutely fantastic, however I didn't find it very energetic and more of a inbetween feeling. I think I may have had purple haze before too, but not sure, and since I am not sure if I did, then it must not have really inspired me much.

Maybe I will try to find some Neviles Haze in the future to see what it's like...

I do have seeds of Azure Haze which was used to create blue dream, so maybe I will run those in the near future

I always thought that the haze strains were called such because they had a hazy high. Such as they put one in a haze and thus the name came about. I have seen some people say that the haze brothers never existed and it is just a story. @neikodog has been running A5 haze crosses and they all seem to be very well liked. I am running a A5 x Malawi cross that both he and Duggan have run. They both love it. When they were talking about it I believe a bunch of conflicting info came out with some of it being very similar to what you said. If you can get your hands on the A5xMalawi, sold as A5 Killer Haze, it seems you will be impressed. There is also Super Malawi Haze, which is Nevile's Haze x Killer Malawi, but I do not think Neiko cared for it as much.

 

[Icemud]

Intereting information everyone on Haze....

After Pennywises post, which I read it popped into my mind.. "hey, we have genetic tools now at our fingertips" so I journeyed over to Phylos Galaxy and typed in "haze" and a bunch of different "haze varietals popped up" I chose purple haze because from what I read in another article, purple haze was supposedly a phenotype of the original haze crosses, and the submitted sample was from ACE seeds who is an old school seed company with a lot of legit genetics and landraces (including where my bangi haze came from, indirectly).

(Phylos has been in a huge controversy lately with the growing community due to their recent public statements of starting a genetics breeding program and allegedly going against their promises to growers who have submittted samples, but thats a whole other topic I will leave for people to research on their own and make their own conclusions)

So when I pulled up the phylose genotype report, it shows that the genetics of purple haze are very rare which means that they don't match many of the other strains that have been entered into there galaxy which is thousands. It also shows based on the genetics, that the parental lines are all related to columbian strains with one mention of panama, but nothing stating thai, or mexican or anything else. Interesting....

Now that I see that, I am going to have to find me some purple haze to put in my collection lol. I have actually been eyeballing columbian strains for a while because it seems fairly rare to see columbian genenetics in the mainstream scene and most modern crosses. I definitely would like to pick up a few, so definitely will keep that in mind for future

Good to know more on the backstory of haze, and seems that its still got a lot of mystery too it, but I guess at least we know its definitely columbian, with possible thai, indian and mexican genetics in it

We are like some Sherlock Holmes in here!!! pass me my pipe watson!!!!

 

[Pennywise]

I have Punta Rojo aka Colombian Red from Cannabiogen and Colombian Gold from Snow High. Hopefully they’ll be run within the year.

 

[Graytail]

You'll also notice, on Phylos, that Colombian Gold is very closely related to Thai. My thinking is that CG is actually of Thai origin, from way back in the Spanish conquests of the 1600 and 1700s.

I ran a cross of Ace strains and caught one that had to be Purple Haze. It went 24 weeks and ended up loose and fluffy. But the buzz is very special - potent and disorienting, lasts 4 hours. Every surface is covered in small trichs, including all the sugar leaves. When you reach into the jar, you pull out a moist sticky clump - no "nuggets".

Fun stuff! It's definitely old school. Smells like sweet fresh clover with a little clove/cinnamon.

 

[Chris Scorpio]

I'm running Ace Purple Haze and Malawi now

Sounds like I want a purple pheno

Fun fun fun

 

[Pennywise]

Ace Purple Haze is the purple pheno of Old Timers Haze. The Green pheno is even more potent.

 

[Graytail]

Mine was green, but it's from a cross Ziggy made with PurpleHaze. Come to think of it, I don't remember him saying his was purple either ... But as you say, same genes.

It's really fun to show other people - zero bag appeal. So you pull some out and roll one up and hand it over .... heheh, big surprise! Eyes widen ... eyelids sag ... conversation picks up ... everyone be buzzin'!

 

[Pennywise]

Yea heavy trichome coverage doesn’t equal potent cannabis sometimes. Some mids looking weed will tear you up. Lol