Hypo Hippy's first indoor grow

Be IRIE said:
OK 3lions, lets see a pic of these monsters in one gallon pots, then point me to the biggest plants here that are in three gallon pots.... your right a nice root system leads to healthier plants as we are here growing our meds, seems like that makes sense... Quality over quantity any day... To each his own, it's not everyday that I hear someone giving out advice to grow root bound plants, usually its the other way around.
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Gawwd, I wasnt suggesting anyone have root bound plants, I was saying that with many of us that are doing the indoor grow, particularly in confined spaces and flowering after like a month then there isnt really much chance that they would become rootbound and huge pots was not necassary in many cases..

Here is a nice motherplant in just an 1/8th of a gallon pot just to show what can be acheived. It was never rootbound. Veg time is arguably more important for yield than the size of the pot. For people vegging indoors for a month or so I do not believe you need more than 2 gallon pots max.

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Anyway back to this grow. Excellent news, glad the flushing seems to have worked amigo and hope they continue to recover then thrive!

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3lions said:
Yes deffo check that water, the filtering is a bit irellavant :-)

"with only two plants left and the fact that the roots of all of our plants were coming out of the holes of our 3gal pots the switch to 5 gals was a no-brainer"

How much is a gallon there? Here it is 8 pints, so 4 litres. The biggest pots I have seen people grow huge plants in here is 3 gallon, 12l.

Im amazed if the roots are 'rootlocked', they can continue to grow but that isnt what it is about, there are misconceptions about this. I have seen fully grown plants with tiny roots that are grown in 1l pots. The roots are there to search for food, if they are getting enough food with correct feeding it doesnt matter if the roots are tiny in reality. In fact a tight ball of roots equates to great tight nugs.

Try a search for "cannabis pot size versus plant size"

It will not hurt to grow in huge pots my freind I am just trying to explain the misconceptions and show that it can be a massive waste of resources and make the job a lot more difficult to control :-)
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Actually you were.... You show a picture of a vegging mother plant??? do you think they would flower it in that??? didn't think so.... Mommas only need minimal nutes,light, and everything else. a five gallon bucket is only 2 inches taller then a three gallon.. And as an indoor grower, I do understand and have been there done that. I have had to transplant weeks before harvest because everything slowed dramatically, the next day she was back to her usual self... :goodluck:
 
hypo hippy said:
Ok guys....we put the flush to 'em today BIG TIME! Each plant got 12 gals of pH balanced water and flushed and flushed and FLUSHED! The last 5 gals or so came out clear as drinking water. Hopefully all the Poisons have been leached out of these be-autches. Gonna let them dry out for 2-3 days and hit them with some half nutes and a little epsom salts and see how they respond to this regimen. Thanks to everyone for their help/advice on this problem of ours. Special thanks to SouthernWeed as he has been invaluable in helping us out on the side. As an aside, the plants seem to be doing well after the flush...just look a little yellow around the gills. I think they are definitely looking forward to something besides clear water. Hoping by the end of this week they are looking less curled and alot greener. Peace out!
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Wow what a big job that must have been. I'm sure you've cured your plants of any known diseases. LOL Maybe it's like having your body cleansed of all ills. Let us know what happens, good luck hypo!
 
Be IRIE said:
Actually you were....
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Contradictory to what? My point was and still is that you can grow large plants in far smaller pots than 5 gallons which might help growers with both restricted space and also those with tight budgets. It is not a debate as to whether one can grow larger plants in larger pots. Of course all things being equal a larger pot can produce a larger plant and I have not said contrary.

Im sure most of you are capable of looking onto what suits your individual space etc right? The following plant (ak47) finished in a pot under 2 gallons. I personally like the little and often approach as it will keep me around the plants a lot, this takes a lot less water and soil etc than a 5 gallon pot.. Horses for courses as we say back in blighty. I am going to leave it at that.


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hypo hippy said:
Ok guys....we put the flush to 'em today BIG TIME! Each plant got 12 gals of pH balanced water and flushed and flushed and FLUSHED! The last 5 gals or so came out clear as drinking water. Hopefully all the Poisons have been leached out of these be-autches. Gonna let them dry out for 2-3 days and hit them with some half nutes and a little epsom salts and see how they respond to this regimen. Thanks to everyone for their help/advice on this problem of ours. Special thanks to SouthernWeed as he has been invaluable in helping us out on the side. As an aside, the plants seem to be doing well after the flush...just look a little yellow around the gills. I think they are definitely looking forward to something besides clear water. Hoping by the end of this week they are looking less curled and alot greener. Peace out!
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Glad to help, Brother. I believe once the pots dry some, you've got a good plan in place to get them doing what their supposed to be doing. 95 times out of 100, a simple fix is the most likely answer.
 
3lions said:
Gawwd, I wasnt suggesting anyone have root bound plants, I was saying that with many of us that are doing the indoor grow, particularly in confined spaces and flowering after like a month then there isnt really much chance that they would become rootbound and huge pots was not necassary in many cases..

Here is a nice motherplant in just an 1/8th of a gallon pot just to show what can be acheived. It was never rootbound. Veg time is arguably more important for yield than the size of the pot. For people vegging indoors for a month or so I do not believe you need more than 2 gallon pots max.
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i agree that you don't need big pots if vegging for under a month

Be IRIE said:
Actually you were.... You show a picture of a vegging mother plant??? do you think they would flower it in that??? didn't think so.... Mommas only need minimal nutes,light, and everything else. a five gallon bucket is only 2 inches taller then a three gallon.. And as an indoor grower, I do understand and have been there done that. I have had to transplant weeks before harvest because everything slowed dramatically, the next day she was back to her usual self... :goodluck:
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Brother nice yields can be achieved in smaller pots, it just takes more of them. If you use a simple potting up regime and flower your plants once potted in to there final pots for a few days, things should go smooth, as there is less root development during the flowering stage! but it is always nice to have a little more room for roots. i flower in pots no bigger than 15 liters but also get nice results in 7.5


Tbd
 
ThatBoyDean said:
i agree that you don't need big pots if vegging for under a month
Brother nice yields can be achieved in smaller pots, it just takes more of them. If you use a simple potting up regime and flower your plants once potted in to there final pots for a few days, things should go smooth, as there is less root development during the flowering stage! but it is always nice to have a little more room for roots. i flower in pots no bigger than 15 liters but also get nice results in 7.5
Tbd
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I do understand this... My advice was given to him for his grow, not some SOG,SCROG or any other grow on the site.. He is obviously not growing that style. I am not saying it can't be done... I can pull up examples all day long, but we are talking about a first time grower here. You would think, you would want him to get down the basics and get a feel for the plant before he has to start dealing with the problems that can and will be caused by a weak root system. Why make it hard on him? don't think he has enough going on the grow as it is??? I have said my peace as well as everyone else..... I don't want to argue... People will figure out what works best for them... Thanks for the input guys... :thumb::peacetwo::ganjamon:
 
Be IRIE said:
I do understand this... My advice was given to him for his grow, not some SOG,SCROG or any other grow on the site.. He is obviously not growing that style. I am not saying it can't be done... I can pull up examples all day long, but we are talking about a first time grower here. You would think, you would want him to get down the basics and get a feel for the plant before he has to start dealing with the problems that can and will be caused by a weak root system. Why make it hard on him? don't think he has enough going on the grow as it is??? I have said my peace as well as everyone else..... I don't want to argue... People will figure out what works best for them... Thanks for the input guys... :thumb::peacetwo::ganjamon:
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Not arguing Irie as i respect you first of all as a person! than as a grower... Also i'm not advising anyone to grow SOG/SCROG and think they should get the basics down first also..:phew:

Now brother i no what you mean about first time growers needing to find there feet!

And thats why i stated and have a few times that when growing in soil, growers should use a basic potting up regime, this will prevent a weak root system! A simple regime would be something like 1 to 4 to 15 liter pots this will produce a nice rootball throughout the soil

IMO when you plant clones or seeds straight in to big pots, the result is a weaker root system than if it had been potted up in stages, thats all i'm trying to saying...

its important to develope the root ball and have a nice thick mass for the final pots rather than having a big pot where the roots only occupy the edges , more root mass = more buds Tbd
 
Im a newbie of course , in a sense of growing myself and figured that if I use 3.5 litre pots for the first transplant and then 11l pots for the second they should be more manageable for me and still be plenty large enough at the end for my 1m tent and needs. (5 plants)

On my first grow I went straight into the 11l litre pots and with my lack of experience I was never comfortable even with the basic watering, I was actually unsure whether I was over or underwatering. The smaller pots will help me with this... 'in theory' lol

ThatBoyDean, thanks for seeing where I was coming from.

Irie amigo, I didnt wanna get drawn into the debate, I was just going by my logical thinking and thinking that smaller pots like 2 gallons would be more manageable and could still produce aplenty. Im sure your experience could definately come in handy during my own grow and hope I havent rubbed you up the wrong way cos all valuable insights are welcome.

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3lions said:
Im a newbie of course , in a sense of growing myself and figured that if I use 3.5 litre pots for the first transplant and then 11l pots for the second they should be more manageable for me and still be plenty large enough at the end for my 1m tent and needs. (5 plants)

On my first grow I went straight into the 11l litre pots and with my lack of experience I was never comfortable even with the basic watering, I was actually unsure whether I was over or underwatering. The smaller pots will help me with this... 'in theory' lol

ThatBoyDean, thanks for seeing where I was coming from.

Irie amigo, I didnt wanna get drawn into the debate, I was just going by my logical thinking and thinking that smaller pots like 2 gallons would be more manageable and could still produce aplenty. Im sure your experience could definately come in handy during my own grow and hope I havent rubbed you up the wrong way cos all valuable insights are welcome.

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I think BE IRIE's objection was that while you can grow in smaller pots, it isn't advice you would give out like, "You are stupid for growing in larger pots when smaller is better". He thinks advice to beginner's should be the ideal and then let them decide if they can with less or HAVE TO do with less. And while I am a newbie myself, I totally feel a pot smaller than I need is counterproductive. When I pulled Lilbit last night, she wasn't quite root bound yet. I figure if she wants to grow more it should be her decision if I want to get the most out of her I can...I am not much into "just enough" as a new grower. I want MORE!!!! :ganjamon:

Please don't be offended, just relaying the feeling your post gave me.

Peace brother.
 
We're kind of polluting hypo hippy's grow journal here. Apologies for contributing to it, but...

ThatBoyDean said:
And thats why i stated and have a few times that when growing in soil, growers should use a basic potting up regime, this will prevent a weak root system! A simple regime would be something like 1 to 4 to 15 liter pots this will produce a nice rootball throughout the soil

IMO when you plant clones or seeds straight in to big pots, the result is a weaker root system than if it had been potted up in stages, thats all i'm trying to saying...

Tbd
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If that is true than I wonder how the thousands of people who planted straight into the largest "pot" of all - the ground - for so many thousands of years ever managed to grow such giants... if the plants had a weaker root system...;)

Aside from that little (lol) bit of empirical evidence, I always thought that one of the reasons that people stated when growing in soil (which has, it's been true, been used far longer than the ~2,600 years that hydroponics have been used in some form or another) was for the buffering ability of the soil. But if the container that that soil (and the plant's roots) is in has become so full of roots that there are more roots than soil and you could indeed remove the pot from the picture with no worry of more than a grain or two of that soil falling out... I always thought that's what "root-bound" meant?


3lions said:
Gawwd, I wasnt suggesting anyone have root bound plants
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I wonder also... since the roots haven't displaced the soil so much as they have filled all the "in-between" spaces which formerly allowed the soil/root area to hold oxygen (air) as the plants were watered and the draining water pulled air into the soil, are these roots really in the best of health?

Not that your plant is one that many people would turn down, lol - I did not mean to give that impression at all.

I do, however, question both what would have happened if the plant had been allowed to grow much longer (time-wise) in that pot. I also wonder if it might not have been bigger and healthier had the pot been just a little bit bigger.

But it works for you, that's obvious. As previously mentioned, however, I would have thought twice about giving the advice that was given to a new(er) grower. Just seems like it's taking away all of the safeguards inherent in a soil grow with more actual soil. IMHO.

[EDIT:] Personally, I'd suggest that - especially if he/she is starting with known females - the new grower, if he/she chooses to go with a soil grow, use larger pots than they would ordinarily need. Assuming they make it through without torturing their plants to death, they would (presumably) have learned a little bit. Then they can start thinking about cutting down on pot size and soil volume if they wish to. Having been poor a time or two, I know the wisdom of not wasting things. But if one goes too minimalistic - without the experience to quickly spot a developing problem and the knowledge required to fix it in a hurry, well, they could end up wasting all.

Again, apologies to hypo hippy.
 
Lets get back to the journal in question and leave all the other stuff for another thread

hypo hippy said:
Stinkfinger....thanks for that lil tidbit. I will definitely check it out my man.

Ok. Here's an update for tonight. Not trying to be paranoid, but these plants are making me that way. The leaf curling is still driving us nuts. Sometimes I can convince myself that it is just what these plants are going to do, but at other times I just think that it is something else and to quote my grow buddy "this shit ain't right. I don't know what it is, but whatever it is is fucked up." I guess that about sums it up. These pictures will show a clear example of what I am talking about. Light yellow leaves, curling leaves and on one plant several of the leaf petioles (stems) are starting to show red/purple. What's up? Any ideas.


Here is Gladys...she is the variagated-looking plant.
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Here is Lucille...you can see where her original top is turning back up to the light.
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Another shot of Lucille. This is one shows one of her secondary colas that has suddenly become the main top (because of the LST bondage on her former main top). The pic clearly shows the stems that have turned red. Is that normal or from some deficiency?
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Thanks for the help guys....and any/all ideas are appreciated.
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Yeahh. no offence taken and If I came across wrong initially then that was my mistake. Hypo know smy own experience or lack of it anyway so think he would have taken it in the right spirits.

Regarding the purpling of stems and yellowing of leaves.. I believe that may be nitrogen defficiency. Purple stalks, yellowing leaves and leaves fall of are the symptoms of that.

Alternatively Sulpher problem which shows similar traits. I think that is often from high PH initially.
 
TigerB...thanks for the link. I have seen it before, but all of these things are kinda confusing when the symptoms you have don't fit all the diagnoses to a T. We are hoping that this flush will fix the problem. Thanks for all the help along the way.
 
3lions said:
Yeahh. no offence taken and If I came across wrong initially then that was my mistake. Hypo know smy own experience or lack of it anyway so think he would have taken it in the right spirits.

Regarding the purpling of stems and yellowing of leaves.. I believe that may be nitrogen defficiency. Purple stalks, yellowing leaves and leaves fall of are the symptoms of that.

Alternatively Sulpher problem which shows similar traits. I think that is often from high PH initially.
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The purple stalks and yellow leaves do look like a N deficiency but the clawing droopiness is weird!

Hh your flush should sort things out hopefully... Did you mix that soil yourself or is it branded??
 
TBD..it is Monrovia high-dollar organic mix (FF equivalent..since FF soil was not available near us). We added 25% perlite and some vermiculite. The plants are probably getting a little N deficient now since it has been a while since their last feed. As soon as the soil dries out we will give them a half-strength feed. Thanks for asking.
 
Was the soil supplemented with anything of the "not immediately removed through a quick flushing" variety?

Think you mentioned lime previously but I don't remember the exact type offhand.
 
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