Hyena's Never-Ending Adventures In Growing

It's Thursday...how could there not be another

HYENA'S GROW HOUSE update!

I wasn't able to get up to the Grow Hacienda for six days...with Phase One in full bloom and only 50 or so gallons in the reservoir, I had visions of a dry tank and all my plants on the floor, dead...as I got in my car at 5 am and drove the 3 hours I was worried...and since I was smoking weed I was also paranoid...feelings of dread...

But everything was fine! :yahoo:

In fact, as I unzipped the door of the Phase One tent I had to take a picture...it was amazing:


Over the past week these babies really plumped up...everywhere I looked nothing but beautiful, fluffy white buds!

There was still some water in the barrel but I had pushed the limit, anyway it's nice to know I could go that long even in full bloom. Temps stay at 80 in the tent with a great air exchange rate and effective interior air circulation but I'm still concerned about controlling the humidity as it always seems to be 60-70 % RH no matter how much air flows through and I can't afford to have mold in here.

I refilled the tank then started to dig into the canopy and really assess what I have going. The canopy density is amazing, almost too much. I started pulling fan leaves to get a little more light and air through there but even 30 minutes of that made little difference...my SCROG method has produced a surprisingly dense hedge with hundreds of vertical branches from just 12 plants. It's not a complete surprise but when you stand in front of it, it's so thick at 4 weeks flowering I almost can't see how everything could get 2-3 times thicker and still be able to get adequate light.


Left side:


This is mainly White Widow with one of the Big Bud Bling Tings in front, that variety is just a lot smaller. But the White Widow also didn't stretch quite as much as I thought it would, probably only about 40-50%. Very nice branching and loads of nice buds developing so I'm excited about the Widow.

Middle:


Some Widow on the left and the Super Bud on the right.

Right side:


Mostly Super Bud. Big stretch and loads of branches...Super Bud is the star so far!

In front a couple more, far smaller Big Bud Bling Tings. Only one of the four is a good-sized plant, maybe just the luck of the Phenotype draw. But if they were any bigger where would they go? The Super Bud is exploding. I have had to break a dozen or so over just to give more light to the others, it's a freaking food fight for light.

Super Bud close up:


Nice frost and super node spacing...the branches are strong and the buds already feel nuggy when you pinch one which is a vast difference from the mostly-Sativa stuff I've always grown, and a very good sign.

White Widow:


Getting frosty already...and at least four weeks to go...yum. :yummy:

Even the smaller Big Bud Bling Tings are putting on some weight...


It's all about production so we'll see if they finish more impressively than they started. I hope so because the smell is awesome and the buds are also surprisingly tight when you squeeze one.

I have noticed the closer to the lights, the lighter the green color of the leaves. Only the Super Bud has gotten that high as to show this effect but I'm pretty sure it's the incredible intensity of these lights. I talked to several friends about it and we all feel that light intensity is probably just bombing the leaf biology into eternity. The buds and small bud leaves are fine, even within a foot of the lights in places, and the heat is almost nothing, so I don't think it's really hurting anything but it's worth noting for now. I used to see heat do similar things with my old HIDs and some hotter LEDs but this seems more like an intensity thing. So, a week ago I turned the right-side light down to 50% intensity just to see if anything changed, and did a full nute recharge to eliminate the possibility it's a nutrition thing. There didn't seem to be any change from either of those, so this visit I turned the other two lights back to 50% also. Maybe that will help? Hurt? How would I even know? I just think they are so bright, and reach so far into the canopy, it probably won't hurt much and maybe that will further stimulate flowering as the plants see a drop in intensity. We will see!

So all that said and done, and into Phase Two I ventured...OMG, those babies are growing! They practically doubled in size in 6 days!


So, on we rolled into a sold two hours of SCROGGING. This is the crucial time when maximum horizontal canopy size is made or missed...once a branch gets substantially above the screen there's no getting it back under unless you break it and so this session will get everything running the proper direction. Still, a few plants had parts too tall to bend over already and so had to be topped. I top major branches once they reach their final destination in the SCROG just to let them branch and thicken in place while the rest are spreading horizontally. It worked to perfection in Phase One but if I can get this one even wider I will, so I worked everything outward as far as I could...


In an hour a lot of the area had turned green.


Another Field of Dreams beginning to take shape. Everyone looks happy and healthy. I think if plants could sing this would be a 12-girl chorus. :theband:

Now, I have to figure out when to start the seeds for Phase Three! Yikes!

The problem: It is a 30-day countdown once I drop beans...after that they're too big for the lab and must be transported. If the bean packaging was exactly predictive I have 4 weeks until harvest in Phase One. It's hard to imagine this being what I want in only 4 more weeks, but I can't believe how big they already are only 4 weeks into flowering so it's possible I guess! But to be safe, I think I will wait another couple weeks to start Phase Three because if Phase One needs to go a couple extra weeks in flowering I can't have plants waiting in the hallway. Worse case would simply be starting the next run a couple weeks later instead of having to choose between losing a grow or losing a lot of weight.

I'm also considering what strains (or strain?) to run in the third phase...still have to see what these buds look like closer to harvest to make that call. Oh, the number of things to figure out and keep track of! I need to get high!


I don't mind sharing. Have a great weekend!

Peace, Hyena
 
Highya HM,

What a beautiful sight! "Hundreds of vertical branches" is a great thing! And only 4 weeks to go. I'm sure you'll have a handle on timing of dropping beans and finishing grows once you have a couple cycles under your belt. They look so gorgeous! Hey, what's better than a room full of "Hundreds of vertical branches"?
Two of them! Cheers
 
I've never ran an auto but I'd be extremely pissed to grow any plant for 85-95+ total days only to wind up with 30-50 grams of bud on it. What a waste of time, energy, and MONEY. I can't stand how autoflower genetics are sweeping in on everything, and I'm even somewhat biased and against all this feminization and amateur breeders releasing seeds. Meh, get off my lawn!
Autos have come a long way over the last few years. People on consistently getting higher yields on them.....8 ounces isn't uncommon anymore.

I used to feel that way about autos but I understand for people that don't want to be bothered with switching lights or dealing with veg and flower tents, it works.

Still more than enough regular seeds and photo strains out there, but lots of growers like to buy the autoflower strains and demand usually dictates the market. I prefer photos....I like to be in control of sizes and flowering.
 
I prefer photos; I like to be in control of sizes and flowering.

I am much younger than most here, but have grown 5x more than most here. Keep in mind, I started growing when Skunk #1 and NL were still the biggest thing in growing for most underground growers, and I prefer real uniformity. We couldn't get OG Kush cuts back then unless we traveled to Cali and met with a guy who knew a guy, type deal. There were no real OG seeds. I got my start with oldschool breeders teaching me in person and I started from clones of the older strains. I fully understand that the autos have come a long way as I still remember reading about the first lowryder strains and watching them being grown. I can't stand the idea of plants flowering when they want to, I'll leave that for other folks. To each their own.

EDIT: And I want to place an edit here to say that's truly not meant as a brag or a boast, just a true statement to describe that I am stuck in my old ways of things.
 
I only grew one auto......it was a Jack Herer from Greenhouse. It was a good yielder.....6 ounces grown in my homemade soil. My biggest issue with it was the high is a little muddled from the ruderalis side....but it was still good bud.

I did like that I was able to move it back and forth from flower tent to veg tent based on available space. The convenience of that was a selling point I can see for some people. Like you said....to each their own.

Same with Fems. I prefer regs...but certainly understand where people with limited space don't want to waste time growing dudes. Not a big deal for me with lots of space now, but when I was in small tents to start out it can be a bigger deal.
 
Jesse....good to see you brother. Hows the garden?
Hey Stank! I started a new garden and journal recently, but unfortunately, the clones I got in Oregon on the way back from California seem to have been infected with powdery mold, so I’m in the middle of the big decision, chop them or support like a bunch of bratty stepchildren;). Likely to have to dump all my hydro gear, and do a major sanitizing to get those nasty spores out of the space so I can grow in the future! How’s the Stank family? Howdy Hyena, looking better than ever of course!!!!!

Hope all are well:)

JB
 
Hey Stank! I started a new garden and journal recently, but unfortunately, the clones I got in Oregon on the way back from California seem to have been infected with powdery mold, so I’m in the middle of the big decision, chop them or support like a bunch of bratty stepchildren;). Likely to have to dump all my hydro gear, and do a major sanitizing to get those nasty spores out of the space so I can grow in the future! How’s the Stank family? Howdy Hyena, looking better than ever of course!!!!!

Hope all are well:)

JB

Hey Bud, sorry to hear about the mold...

Clones. Never liked 'em for exactly that reason. Unless they cloned Melania Trump. :love:

Peace, Hyena
 
It's Tuesday and here's another exciting, action-packed

HYENA'S GROW HOUSE update!

After a long and fun-filled weekend with Wifey, Monday morning I checked into the Hyena grow emporium. Oh my...


It's gettin' dank in here!

The Phase One tent is humming with floral life. It's a mesmerizing sight to behold when you look through the door. I almost can't climb in there at this point!

On the left side, White Widow is robust and flowering strongly:


It didn't stretch as much as I had hoped. Still, the many branches and the good interior flowering is encouraging. And the plant in the left rear is a Big Bud Bling Ting that is finally getting bigger.

Bud close up of the Widow:


Nice frost thus far.

The middle, which is some WW (left) and Super Bud which is going nuts:


And the right side, pretty much all Super Bud:


I truly can't believe what this variety is doing so far! It has a zillion tall, strong branches with buds packing in everywhere, up and down. The flower density/quality lower down on the branches seems the same as the top stuff! Could be a big yielder if it keeps growing at this pace.

Even the smallish Big Bud Bling Tings has good budding going on:


They aren't huge but they are producing so we'll see.

The overall density of this canopy is at floral max.


I don't know if that will end up hurting me...the three fans I have up high are just bouncing their airflow off this solid plate of green, so I put a good-size box fan on the floor to get air flowing underneath and through this mass because I'm terrified of mold, and determined to prevent it if I can.


I pulled over a hundred fan leaves to let a bit more light and air in, and supercropped about 20 taller colas to allow more light to hit more areas. Hopefully that's enough.

View from the back...it looks like a fairyland.


Now I know what Heavenly light really means, because these Quantum boards have over-performed by a huge margin, beyond my wildest expectations. And it has created its own unforseen issue. There's no doubt the yellowing (lightening, really) of the leaves closer to the lights is light burn...too much light intensity! An unbelievable problem to have, yet there's no doubt that's what it is...these lights are almost too powerful. Two visits ago I dialed one of them down to 50%, then last week the other two. After 5 days of 50% light I can't see any difference whatsoever. It's making me wonder how much is really there. I have a PAR meter I've never used so now seems to be the time. Got to figure out how much light is there at all levels. I will do that soon.

But for now, maybe 3-4 more weeks? Depends if you believe the seed package! Supposed to be between 50-60 days for all three varieties but they always need more. Going to be 55 days September 3rd. That's 3 weeks from now. I have to time the beginning of the Phase Three girls with the ending of Phase One. I have 30 days from dropping beans into water until they HAVE to move in. So, if this goes exactly 55 days and is ready, then right now I will have one extra week's margin to work with to take it all down and recon the system and the tent. That's if I started them today. I'm going to hedge my bet one extra week because I truly don't know if this might need 60 or even 65 days and I'm willing to lose a couple weeks head start on the next run to be extra sure this one can finish right. So it looks like one more week until I drop those beans! Man, time is flying!

Meanwhile, let's look in on Phase Two...


Holy smokes, Batman! This shit might have grown 8 inches in 4 days. I spent an hour and a half busily scrogging and weaving and pulling everything everywhere so the canopy is as spread out as possible. This round I get everything it's still possible to bend or break, down to one level, as spread out as possible. No regard for branches just tangling everywhere, they will all reveal themselves and find a vertical path over the next full week of growth. Main thing right now is get everything as wide as I can.

Looked like this in the end:


Nice and wide...now to start going up!

Buttoned everything up and headed back, very excited about the progress so far. Started thinking about where this could all go. With the financial potential, plus the power of the internet, I could become successful. Very successful, then rich. Rich, and influential, and eventually even famous...a noted global thinker and philosopher, called upon by world leaders for advice and counsel...


I'm not counting on it but I could help them. Think globally, smoke locally. My philosophy.

Peace, Hyena
 
Highya HM,

Very awesome looking 1st grow room! Those colas look to do better than your attic! 10 X 10 room full of huge colas!! Stuff dreams are made of. I know you'll be thankful for the extra week first time planning.
IKR, when you look them over, you wonder how far this can go! Wonderful thoughts.
Well, I need to touch the ground again, so I'll get off here. Such a great plan and work! Cheers
 
That Super Bud is stacking up and looking good. Looks like I'll harvest a couple right around when you do and also just had the first bout of light bleaching too close to a 600w HPS in a cooltube. The time has gone really fast, but now these last 30-40 days just can't come soon enough!

You know, that is helpful info...I have had a theory that Super Bud strain might be a bit more sensitive than others to the light intensity. That supports it, anecdotally. The other strains I have going aren't as close to the lights but they are not showing any lightening of the uppermost leaves. Thanks bro.

Peace, Hyena
 
Holy. Shit. Many @Hyena Merica am I digging all your grows and ingenuity so far man. Such a sight to behold. From the attic start up to now. Just.. WOW. I was turned onto your other thread, and read through all of that. Then went to this one when I made it to the end of that one. Then spent the last week or so reading through all of the new one. It's quite breathtaking reading through and following all of the problems and solutions, and seeing just how creative people really can be.

I see you're still having trouble with humidity, and I may have noticed a tiny something that could be of use.

I've noticed that your carbon filter is sitting on the floor. What I've been unable to see so far is where your intake(s) are open. If they are also at floor level, would raising the carbon filter to the top of the tent help?

Here's what I'm thinking, and this could all be for naught, but bear with me if I've missed something as some of your updates were read in a late night haze. :ganjamon:

With warm air rising, and cool air sinking, if the carbon filter were at the top of the tent, and perhaps hung horizontally, it would draw from the pool of warmer air at the top. Then with intake vents open at the floor level on the opposite side(s) from the filter, it would would draw in from the bottom, up and through the canopy to exit through the upper corner. A bit of cross ventilation, if you will.

With so much space, if you had the filter over in what we'll call the back left corner, then passive intakes open in the back right, and front left and right, it might offer some better overall flow through your rig. Combined with the fans mixing it up inside, that would seem to be a good airflow path, and may help reduce some of the humidity. The idea being that outflow is sucking from the pool of warmer, more humid air at the top, which is then drawing in the cooler, less humid air from the bottom. Kind of sucking it in and up through as it travels across and gets swirled around by the vortex from the fans.

Also with as much as those lovely ladies are drinking, it's no surprise it's humid! Excellent conditions, plenty of light, and boom! Transpiration out the wazoo. :woohoo:



A good dehumidifier should help that condition as well. That cool AC air coming in from the bottom shouldn't be humid, since your outflow is being directed up and out. Thus the extra moisture is most certainly from that crazy thick forest going ape nuts in the middle. Quite the awesome situation and "problem" to have. :snowboating:
 
You know, that is helpful info...I have had a theory that Super Bud strain might be a bit more sensitive than others to the light intensity. That supports it, anecdotally. The other strains I have going aren't as close to the lights but they are not showing any lightening of the uppermost leaves. Thanks bro.

Peace, Hyena
Oh sorry man, I apologize that made it sound misleading that I was growing Super Bud, I am growing X-Wing OG X PhishHead Kush that's doing the same thing within 12-13 inches or so of my light. Nothing I can do about it anymore as they've shot to the moon and are already all bent over and supported and within good distances now. My leaves looked virtually like yours though and the first mimicking signs of PK deficiency from the light burn on about 6-7 leaves.

I can't believe yours are still lightening up running at 50%! I have to go back and look for the model of lights you got for this run, that's insane.

Are you running Green House's Super Bud, or the Sensi Ed Rosenthal Super Bud? Either way, the Green House being Big Bud X Skunk wouldn't be a light sensitive plant, and Ed's isn't either, I'd conclude those are just some DAMN powerful lights. Green House's version is typically very light hungry.

Just dug back to see it's the 600H, looks like a beast. My first go with LED might be the 550 V2 model.
 
I can't believe yours are still lightening up running at 50%! I have to go back and look for the model of lights you got for this run, that's insane.


If I'm not mistaken, I believe the model is the HLG-600H quantum board. Definitely monster output. :D
 
Re: HLG-600H quantum board


Just dug into these lights a tick and holy freakin let there be light batman! 5x5 flower footprint, 7x7 veg, 2.5 umol/J, 1525 max ppfd... crazy numbers, and the price is soooo attractive too.
 
They make the incredible claim of drawing 620 watts and successfully replacing a 1k watt HPS, and @Hyena Merica 's grow is the only one I've seen using these boards and verifying in these photos they are the legitimate deal. Especially as a total skeptic of 99.9% of all LED systems out there. I'm eyeballing that 550 v2 RSPEC version from HLG.
There are some bad LED companies out there. But the newer technology is seriously top notch. I grow with the Fluence Spydrx Plus (very pricey but has paid for itself over a few times now) and have been blown away by the results.

Take a look at LEDs but my advice is don't go cheap and expect a 1000 watt LED bought on EBay for 200$ to be a representation of all LEDs and compare that to the old HPS. If you want legit yielding power and reduced heat and power requirements, go with quality LED stuff. There is a lot out there to choose from but they all generally come with some sticker shock. HPS can't compete with the new LED technology.
 
Holy. Shit. Many @Hyena Merica am I digging all your grows and ingenuity so far man. Such a sight to behold. From the attic start up to now. Just.. WOW. I was turned onto your other thread, and read through all of that. Then went to this one when I made it to the end of that one. Then spent the last week or so reading through all of the new one. It's quite breathtaking reading through and following all of the problems and solutions, and seeing just how creative people really can be.

I see you're still having trouble with humidity, and I may have noticed a tiny something that could be of use.

I've noticed that your carbon filter is sitting on the floor. What I've been unable to see so far is where your intake(s) are open. If they are also at floor level, would raising the carbon filter to the top of the tent help?

Here's what I'm thinking, and this could all be for naught, but bear with me if I've missed something as some of your updates were read in a late night haze. :ganjamon:

With warm air rising, and cool air sinking, if the carbon filter were at the top of the tent, and perhaps hung horizontally, it would draw from the pool of warmer air at the top. Then with intake vents open at the floor level on the opposite side(s) from the filter, it would would draw in from the bottom, up and through the canopy to exit through the upper corner. A bit of cross ventilation, if you will.

With so much space, if you had the filter over in what we'll call the back left corner, then passive intakes open in the back right, and front left and right, it might offer some better overall flow through your rig. Combined with the fans mixing it up inside, that would seem to be a good airflow path, and may help reduce some of the humidity. The idea being that outflow is sucking from the pool of warmer, more humid air at the top, which is then drawing in the cooler, less humid air from the bottom. Kind of sucking it in and up through as it travels across and gets swirled around by the vortex from the fans.

Also with as much as those lovely ladies are drinking, it's no surprise it's humid! Excellent conditions, plenty of light, and boom! Transpiration out the wazoo. :woohoo:



A good dehumidifier should help that condition as well. That cool AC air coming in from the bottom shouldn't be humid, since your outflow is being directed up and out. Thus the extra moisture is most certainly from that crazy thick forest going ape nuts in the middle. Quite the awesome situation and "problem" to have. :snowboating:

THANKS so much...I sincerely appreciate all you said!

Hard to imagine someone reading everything I have written...hope you got some helpful info out of all that smarmy flatulence I call a journal! In truth the biggest thing I have learned is that cannabis growing, like most things that are worthwhile, is a lot harder to do well that it first seems. But it's worth the time and effort!!

And it always makes a cool story, right? :cool:

Regarding the airflow path and the position of the carbon filter, the only reason I don't do it exactly as you have described is the freaking thing weighs EIGHTY pounds. Building a stand for it was something I decided against for time and other reasons. I figured I would go step by step and complete a run and see how it went. I do mitigate the buildup of moisture between leaves by having four fans in there. The air swirls around pretty well. I just added a 20" box fan on the floor which seems to help as well.

Learning as we go...what's new?

Peace, Hyena



Stick around brother and let's see how sticky this situation gets. Really sticky is my guess...

Peace, Hyena
 
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