Howsjosh's LED Soil Grapefruit, Strawberry, Blue Dream, Blue Widow Grow

[Jurf]

Yeah bro. Im wonderung what kind of issues await for me on my journey too. Just started germinationa couple days ago. Waiting for the sprout. Patience is on overdrive hahah

 

[howsjosh]

Day 55: I gave Summer and Barbie their first feeding and the Strawberry Cough clone got some too... I mixed up 3 gallons of water in a 5 gallon bucket and put...
grow 1 Tbls
bloom 1tsp
big blooming guano 1 tsp
micro 1 tsp
catalyst 1 Tbls
tsp cal mag 2 tsp
hi brix 2 tsp
I probably should have put in more calmag but start em slow I guess... I think I have been giving my plants some wind burn from having my fans on high so I put them on low (my oscillating and tilt fan not my exhaust fan)... I've noticed what looks to me like calcium def. which is why I think I should have added more calmag... and I've noticed a lot of dying off undergrowth under the canopy but that's probably just because it's not getting enough light or something and should have been defoliated anyways... Well I took a few pics so here you guys go...

The group

Grace

Barbie

Summer

Bonnie

Strawberry Cough Clone

Grapefruit Clone

Side notes:
Summer got about 1 gallon of water Barbie got almost 2 gallons or like a gallon and 3/4 and the Strawberry Cough Clone got about 1/4 gallon... the Grapefruit clone doesn't seem to want to grow I think I forgot to cut a 45 degree angle and the bottom when I first put on the grow cube thingy...

 

[ItsNatural]

Looks good homie. when do ya plan to flip to flower?

 

[howsjosh]

Looks good homie. when do ya plan to flip to flower?

That sir is a excellent question... I'm putting the front ones outside either this week or next... then I'll move everything around and see how much space the 2 that are staying in there are going to take up and then figure out if I want to fill in the whole screen or just flower... so I guess the answer is I don't really know... I think I started feeding a little late and want to try and fix some deficiencies also... all the undergrowth on Barbie is turning yellow and crispy I dunno what's really going on with her... Summer looks to be cal def with rust looking spots on some leaves... I just fed Bonnie and Grace this morning with a nute mix that was just like the one I gave summer and Barbie but I put in a Tbsp of calmag instead of 2 tsp in 3 gallons of water... I think I'm going to start making 4 gallons of nutes at a time because I gave grace 2 gallons and she had no runoff but a Bonnie only had 1 gallon and had a little runoff...

 

[ItsNatural]

sounds like a plan. Do ya got a spot in your yard for those you plan to put outside. Or are you gorilla Growing them? Im assuming your yard. Even if I was in a legal state. I wouldnt be able to grow outside without some Jackass snatching it after I put in months of work.

 

[howsjosh]

Yeah just in the backyard somewhere... they are unfortunately going to stay in their pots though because I think it would be hell to try and transplant them... I'm thinking of building a green house but doubt I'll have the funds to do so...

 

[ItsNatural]

Nothing wrong with them staying in those pots. Not sure about where you live. But our soil it dog shit anyway. When I was growing outside, I would take a 5 gallon bucket, dig a 5 gallon bucket sized hole, fill the bottom with gravel, fill the bottom of the bucket with gravel, and then bury the bucket. Fill it up with some potting soil, and then plant my ladies in that. I think what I actually probably should have done tho. Is dig about a 5-7 gallon size hole. And fill it up with potting soil. But I wanted to fully control its nutes and what not. IDK Plus you only have to dig the hole once if you put a buck in there. After harvest. You can just grab the left over stalk, and pull the whole soil and root system up. And then replace with fresh soil. ANYWAY.....enough of my old war stories... Are you going to keep up updated with them after you put them outside?

 

[howsjosh]

What I would really like to do and maybe I will next year is dig a hole big enough for like 30 gallons of soil and grow some tree's... and I mean like 30 gallons per plant and veg them as big as I can indoors then let them grow through their outdoor cycle and have like 8 foot plants... oh and have them in a green house so they only get the water and nutrients that I give them... I do plan to update this journal for both the indoor and outdoor plants... I think I'm going to put the outdoor ones out tomorrow before work and then after work move stuff around in the tent... then this weekend I'll probably take everything out of the tent and clean it again with hydrogen peroxide... Then veg for another week and put them in flower on my birthday or Mother's Day so I can easily remember the date... that plan isn't set in stone it depends on how much space the plants in the tent take up... I am anxious to start flower though... I might order a new air pump soon because the small one I have isn't bubbling the nutes enough...

 

[ItsNatural]

I once grew an 7 1/2 8 footer once in a 5 gallon bucket like I was talking. Didnt really even know much about what I was doing as far as nutes. I just knew they needed N in veg and P in flower. But She was huge. Unfortunately, she came down with some kind of either fungus, disease, or possible calmag def. But I think it was something else. It started at the bottom. Brown spots kinda like a Cal Def. But then the buds started rotting. I finally pulled her to save the top half. Smoke some but mostly made oil with her.

 

[howsjosh]

Day 60: Today I put the plants outside before work... I also fed Bonnie, Summer, and Grace after work... I put 4 gallons of water with:
Grow 2 Tbls
Bloom 2 tsp
Bbg 2 tsp
Catalyst 2 Tbls
Cal mag 2 Tbls
Hi brix 1 Tbls
1/2 tsp god silica

I think the plants outside liked the 80 degree day we had today but it seems to have raised the humidity of the whole house so my basement has a humidity of about 65%... So after I watered I kicked my exhaust fan on high to try and lower the humidity of the tent... I still probably have some moving around to do in the tent and I have to clean it this weekend... but enough with all of that here are some pics... well scratch that it's not letting me upload I'm going to see if there is an app update for my phone and if there is and it lets me post after that then I will...

 

[howsjosh]

Does anybody know what this is I was thinking it was calcium deficiency and maybe a magnesium but I've been feeding them calmag... but maybe I need to up the dose...

It let me upload that photo but it's telling me some of my other photos can't be uploaded...

Ok so I changed the aspect ratio of the pics and got them to load...

 

[Jurf]

Whatis your ph of your feed?

 

[ItsNatural]

More Nutes my homie. You are feeding them a VERY weak mix. (Im really high right now and may have looked at your recipe wrong. If so....Sorry, my bad lol) But if not... I think most people Using EJ do a tbsp per gallon some including myself deep in the cycle will even go higher. I have went as high as 2 Tbsp for 1 gallon... as far as Grow And Bloom. And I think about 1 tsp or so of calmag. maybe more. which when broke down I think you are hitting. But on the grow and bloom, your missing it.


Are the spots brown or purple. what do your stems look like. Are they purple? Your still in veg so I doubt you have a P def but thats what it looks like to me. but you could be right and it could be a cal def. Something about those blurple lights causes them to need alot of it. I ran into it last grow only giving them 1/2tsp per gallon every feed. When in reality they needed 1 1/2 under those blurples.


Those last pictures look GREAT!! SUCH a lovely plant Its one of those shots that you could honestly hang on your wall as decorative art. Your doing great my homie. Keep on keeping on. Did ya get that white powder took care of?

 

[howsjosh]

The spots range from a bright orange to red... I agree the mix is kinda weak but I just started feeding so I was going for a slower build up so I guess I should just continue building up... I'll have to look at the stems when I get home I'm on lunch break right now at work... I think I got the powder mildew under control but I'll still probably spray the plants with neem oil again this weekend just to make sure because fuck that shit... I'm also planning on cleaning the tent this weekend with hydrogen peroxide... I totally agree with you about those outside plants they are looking amazing and they are going to just keep growing I'm super excited about them... they loved the 2 80 degree days we had unfortunately the weather has gone back to shit today but I think it will just make the stronger they are under a covered patio to protect them from the rain and I thought direct sunlight might be a little intense since they aren't used to it but they are looking amazing... I think I'm gonna stop by canna Montana and Nismo's journal and see if I can get them to take a look and what they think... I still think it's a calmag deficiency but I'll keep building everything up unless I notice the plants telling me something different

 

[Nismo12]

To me they look like "rust" spots. If that is so, then it could be that you are feeding too much calmag. If there is too much magnesium in the system then you could end up with a manganese deficiency. Since you are still in veg, it is very unlikely to be a magnesium deficiency since that usually happens in flower.

If you could when you get a chance, turn the lights off and take a flash picture so we can see colors better. I'll be checking in so we can figure this out. I was here the other day and everything looked kosher so didn't say anything lol.

 

[howsjosh]

To me they look like "rust" spots. If that is so, then it could be that you are feeding too much calmag. If there is too much magnesium in the system then you could end up with a manganese deficiency. Since you are still in veg, it is very unlikely to be a magnesium deficiency since that usually happens in flower.

If you could when you get a chance, turn the lights off and take a flash picture so we can see colors better. I'll be checking in so we can figure this out. I was here the other day and everything looked kosher so didn't say anything lol.

Nis, I like where you are going there because it got me to look up manganese deficiency... and based on this
https://www.growweedeasy.com/sites/growweedeasy.com/files/manganese-info-marijuana.jpg and based on this it looks like a manganese toxicity that pic is the closest thing I've found that looks like it... I'm off work and home now so I'm going to take a shower and take some pics (that doesn't sound right... not those kind of pics lol) of the plants with the LED's off

 

[howsjosh]

Ok as requested I took some pics... I also went back and looked at some pics in my Journal and noticed this "thing" started happening in between April 23-28th because I don't see it in the pics I took April 23 but I do see it on my April 28th post which is when I fed it, it's first batch of nutrients... Also while reading the pic above about manganese toxicity it says it's compounded by low humidity and I took my humidifier out of the tent when I saw powder mildew on the leaves... so my humidity has been pretty low other than the last couple of days in which it has been pretty high due to weather... but here are the pics

Bonnie is having some undergrowth issues

 

[ItsNatural]

IDK my homie. It didnt look like what you have been giving them would be too much. Especially under those blurples. I had the same look last grow BUT.....I was in flower I think. I would have to go back and check for sure but pretty sure it was early flower. Nismo seems more educated than I on the matter so he is probably right. I wish I could be more help. Im sure its bugging the piss out of ya. Luckily tho...your still in veg. So it probably wont affect things too bad I wouldnt think.

@Nismo
I thought it was suppose to be a little harder to over do CalMag. I have been giving mine 1tsp per gallon in tap water. Do you think that is too much? Especially seeing how Im under cobs and not blurples? I not currently showing any signs of problems but would like to keep it that way.

 

[howsjosh]

I like having the multiple opinions and I like more posts in my journal in general and it's nice that your rooting for me in a way... I've been looking at your first grow and it seems kinda like the same thing you had going on with the LS. So my thoughts for my next feed are something a little more basic like 4 Tbsp grow 2Tbsp bloom and 2Tbsp big bloomin guano in 4 gallons of water... I was also looking at my first grow and. That problem looked semi sumilar but much worse... The thing in common with both of those is we were both feeding small amounts of nutrients which makes me believe maybe you are right it could be a P def... I'm planning on getting some ph pen calibration liquid today and making sure that thing is working properly... just another thing to check really...

 

[ItsNatural]

well honestly I thought it could be a P def with the first pictures. And you still could but doubt it with you still being in veg... But those arent red and purple spots. They look like nismo said. They look like rust spots. ANd in the very last picture you showed, With the yellowing but the veins are still green. I would have to double check, but I think that is a sign of Mag def...Or.....like Nismo said....maybe its a tox. It just doesnt seem like you gave them too much. Again. Im lazy and i would have to double check. But it seems like when broke down. You are giving them about a tsp per gallon. Yes/No? How many times are you feeding a week? Do you ever JUST give water? how often. Do you water until runoff? Your using FFOF? Which is very good soil IMO. With transplanting, I can get almost 2 months out of it without having to add nutes. In veg with photos of course. Anyway. I really dont want to give you the wrong advise. All I can say is what I would do. Which is up my calmag, as well as the others. But if its a toxicity issue. Than that will make it worse. Thaaaaaank yoooou Captain Obvious


The reason I was asking about the stems is purple stems can be a sign of needing more P. (if im wrong someone PLEASE correct me.) And if those splotches were purple, then very possible you some how had a P def. But in veg its unlikely, Im telling ya. There is something about those blurples that causes the ladies to want/need more Calmag. No idea why. Im sure someone knows. If not...that seems like a good thing to research. May give us more info about this lovely plant. Either way. Its as true as I am here writing this. As the plant I grew under CFLs didnt need or want NEAR the CalMag that the others did. These autos under these cobs I wouldnt know. As they are autos...sooooo IDK...and I have made sure that I am giving at least 1 tsp per gallon every feed or water. But last grow....for some reason...I thought I would cut it down to 1/2 tsp per gallon.... And at first they were fine. But then they started doing exactly what you got going on. And in all the research I did leading up to my first grow. I kept seeing people advising to get CalMag if growing under LED... (Cobs werent as big back then) I kept seeing people say that for some reason, under LEDs, they tent to need ALOT of CalMag. But I also read that too much....even tho its some what hard to give too much....too much will show signs of not enough.

I have went back and stared at that beautiful outside plant several times. ...........Just..........

The look...the colors....nice and symmetrical. You should crop that pic..and make it your avatar