How To Make Concentrated Cannabis Oil

[Rastafeco]

Hi, I am a grower from south america,
a few weeks ago a friend of mine told me that his cousin (5 years old) have linfoblastic leucemia, the kid had already made 2 quimos, in both situations the kid show some improvement with the treatment but a few month after taking traetment he had a setback . I told him to try the RSO (based on the experiencie on Landon and Brave Mykalya) with the kid but the parents were not sure about it. Now after 2 quimios the oncologyst said that there is nothing more to do, so my friend ask me to do some oil for the kid.

I have been watching thousand videos about RSO, I see that some people prefer to decarb the material / herb before applying the solvent (grain alcohol). Others prefer to decarb the oil instead of the herb.
So my question is based in your experience wich method is better?
and also? In case I need to decarb the material before mixing the herb with the solvent, should I freeze the material in order to extract more pure oil? (clorophyl free extract)
I will make the oil from very nice bud, some og kush x space bomb, and other og kush strains, and trim full of resin, the buds have been curing in glass jars since april of this year.

I would be eternally gratefull for any info related on making the best RSO for this kid with linfoblastic leucemia, I am very close to my friends family and we are all making our best to save the kid.

Sorry if I have some mistakes hope you have undestood everything well!

Best Regards!

 

[SweetSue]

Hi, I am a grower from south america,
a few weeks ago a friend of mine told me that his cousin (5 years old) have linfoblastic leucemia, the kid had already made 2 quimos, in both situations the kid show some improvement with the treatment but a few month after taking traetment he had a setback . I told him to try the RSO (based on the experiencie on Landon and Brave Mykalya) with the kid but the parents were not sure about it. Now after 2 quimios the oncologyst said that there is nothing more to do, so my friend ask me to do some oil for the kid.

I have been watching thousand videos about RSO, I see that some people prefer to decarb the material / herb before applying the solvent (grain alcohol). Others prefer to decarb the oil instead of the herb.
So my question is based in your experience wich method is better?
and also? In case I need to decarb the material before mixing the herb with the solvent, should I freeze the material in order to extract more pure oil? (clorophyl free extract)
I will make the oil from very nice bud, some og kush x space bomb, and other og kush strains, and trim full of resin, the buds have been curing in glass jars since april of this year.

I would be eternally gratefull for any info related on making the best RSO for this kid with linfoblastic leucemia, I am very close to my friends family and we are all making our best to save the kid.

Sorry if I have some mistakes hope you have undestood everything well!

Best Regards!

Hello Rastafeco, I'm sorry to hear of your small friend's dilemma. Let's see if I can be of some assistance.

As far as I can determine, the only difference is that you may be preserving more terpenes if you decarb at the end of the process. You have no way of knowing if that's the case unless you can have the oil tested, so that may be irrelevant. Those terpenes can be introduced into the body through a colorful and varied diet, so I try not to concern myself with it.

I decarb before I process the oil because I want a higher THC profile in my oil, and that means I'd be removing it just as the larger solvent bubbles stop bursting and it switches to smaller, more uniformly-sized bubbles of CO2 being released as decarb commences. This is the point where THC is highest.

In either case, you want to freeze everything for 24 hours before processing and I recommend you winterize (freeze) the wash one more night before doing the final straining, to be certain you get any remaining undesirables. Not everyone shares my thoughts on that final night in the freezer and there appears to be no problems with the quality of those who don't.

I hope this helped. Someone else should be along to offer their views. Best of luck on your quest. Feel free to pepper us with questions until you're feeling comfortable with our answers.

Edit: I came across a study out of the U.K. In 2013 I thought might interest you. It was a study of six cannabinoids and their effect on leukemia cells. We already know THC kills cancer cells. This study was to see how effectively CBD, CBG and CBGV worked to achieve the same ends.

Enhancing the Activity of Cannabidiol and Other Cannabinoids In Vitro Through Modifications to Drug Combinations and Treatment
Schedules

 

[Rastafeco]

Hi SweetSue, thanks for your kind answer! It really help us.
So let me see if I understand it right:
First you decarb the herb before making the oil / mixing it with the solvent. Do you use an oven to decarb the herb? I have been reading that doing it this way the herb should be at 120°C for 15 to 45 minutes aproximately.
Second you put the decarb herb in the freezer for 24 to 48 hours (I assume that the solvent have to be in the freezer to).
Third you mix the decarb herb with the solvent (I will use 96 grain alcohol) how long do you left the decarb herb in the solvent? (should I put the mix in the freezer to keep it cool?)
Fourth you separate the herb from the solvent.
Fifth you evaporate the solvent using a rice cooker (Should I use the low heat - 40°- or high heat : that reach the boiling temperature of alcohol)
Sixth you wait for the solvent to evaporate and wait to see tiny bubbles on the oil.

Please Su correct me if I am wrong in the enumeration of the proccess.
The kid is now taking CBD oil, so I thought it would be a good idea to make some THC high oil to add more cannabinoids to the treatment.

Another question I have is that if I choose not to decarb the herb before using the solvent and prefer to decard the oil, should I heat the oil after having evaporated all the solvent from the extraction. For example, leaving the oil on a pirex plate on a pan with boiling water for 1 hour or is the rice cooker solvent evaporation heat enought to reach a proper decarboxylation? (Please let me know if I made myself clear )

And last, when we give the oils to the kid, should we add some coconut oil with the CBD or THC oil (I am not saying mixing the oil with coconut oil, just add it in the same moment the kid is having his medicine)

Sue thank you so much for your time and concern, we are from Buenos Aires, Argentina!
I will check the study from the UK.

Best Regards!

EDIT: I almost forgot, should I grind the herb before decarb (in case I choose to decarb first)
Should I grind the herb before freezing? (in case I choose to decarb the final oil)
Thank you!

 

[SweetSue]

Let's do a step-by-step. I'm assuming you're going to decarb first.

1. Break up the dry plant material (loose, not powdery) and spread it on a baking sheet. Heat at 120 degrees C for 1 hour.

2. Place the plant material, the ethanol, and your jars into the freezer for 24 hours. The more jars you have available to strain into, the faster you can move the process because the wash will drain faster through multiple filters on many jars than it will with lots of material stacked on top of one or two filters. Do you understand what I mean here?

3. The washes are done in 3 minute units. Any longer in the solvent and you begin to pick up undesirables. Cover the plant material with solvent, plus another inch or so, give it a stir. I let it sit for 30 seconds and stir again, then keep that up for three minutes. At three minutes strain.

While I'm straining through the coffee filters I'm letting the solvent sit in the freezer. I want it as cold as I can get it.

4. Repeat the wash two more times. You can combine all three into one large wash or separate the first wash from the others. The first wash is your highest quality pull. Each consecutive pull brings other components into the wash we'd prefer to keep out. I like the idea of using the first wash for the best medicine and using the others for topicals, but cajuncelt assures me he and Tim tested the washes and they weren't appreciably different enough to justify keeping them separate. I decided to listen to his voice of reason and combine the washes.

5. Freeze the finished wash overnight and strain into the rice cooker. You'll be using a rice cooker? I use a simplified method that's demonstrated in my CCO Study Hall. Feel free to check that out. I use that method because I've decarbed my plant material in advance so I won't need to do the final decarb step and I'm working with batches less than two ounces. Using a ceramic-coated non-stick pan makes the process much easier in this circumstance, IMHO.

It's the video in post #49.

Simple Method for Small Batch CCO

6. Evaporate off the solvent. I do this easily with a hot water bath that the pan sits into. The method used in this thread places the wash into a smaller dish and into an oil bath to finish the evaporation and complete the decarb.

7. Harvest the CCO. Most of us draw it up into syringes for storage.

You want to enhance bioavailability, and one of the ways to do that is to use elements of competitive inhibition. You want the enzymes in the liver occupied when the cannabinoids arrive. That's in part what the spoonful of coconut oil about a half hour before the dose does for you. If you can get some apigenin that would be grand. The enzymes that metabolize apigenin are the same ones that metabolize THC, so it helps to distract them with the apigenin.

If you haven't done so it yet, cajuncelt's cancer protocol thread is a must read. It's all about competitive inhibition and increasing bioavailability. He doesn't offer advice there anymore, but there are many members who keep that thread active. It's going to be a valuable resource for your friend and for you. What you're doing here will change your life as well as the child's and his family.

You can supercharge the oil by mixing it with a carrier oil (olive is an excellent choice for almost all cancers excepting liver) and liquid sunflower lecithin. This mix can be placed in capsules and dosed that way. The addition of the carrier oil and lecithin make the oil up to 90% bioavailable, second only to intravenous. If you're interested, and you should be, come see me in the Study Hall and I'll point you to the directions. We have a number of members playing around with dialing this in closer and closer.

There's also a dosing and delivery systems thread you'll find linked in my signature that has loads of valuable information. Every body reacts differently to cannabis and with children in particular you need to start very low and increase slowly and carefully. You can mitigate the effects of the THC by spreading it out into many small doses over the course of the day. The dosing thread has directions on how to do that.

Last, but not least, look up Pediatric Cannabis Therapy. The woman's a cannabis warrior with a wealth of information on pediatrics.

Again, keep asking until you've gotten all the answers you need.

 

[SweetSue]

A couple points I missed:

- If you decarb at the end you need to use an oil bath, not a water one. The boiling water won't get the oil hot enough to decarb. You'll need a laser thermometer for that process to keep from overheating or under heating.

- I always grind my plant material before anything. You need to be careful not to get it so small as to be powdery though, or it comes through the filters and pollutes the oil.

Is the CBD oil from hemp plants or cannabis plants? Hemp CBD oil lacks some of the more important terpenes and flavinoids, as well as cannabinoids you only get from cannabis. There are some excellent CBD strains available now. I'd be looking into growing one for them if that's an option.

The more we learn about CBD the more important it becomes, but what it does in concert with THC to eradicate tumor cells is truly astounding. This is a good thing you're doing.

 

[nobby32]

Hi, last night I was decarbing my sativa oil and I left the nuwave induction hotplate on 230 degrees F, and went inside (too cold in the shed to wait 20 minutes), sat down in front of the TV and promptly went to sleep for 3 hours.

When I went back to my oil the nuwave had turned itself off and there were burned-like blotches in the pan around the edge, along with the decarbed oil which looked weird and sort of uneven and blotchy.

I've decarbed at 230F before, while watching it, and the oil has never gone over about 220F, so I thought I was safe to leave it for a while (I've been doing this same thing every night for 2 weeks straight).

Have I burned it? - no photo sorry, too fazzled to think straight. And if it's burned is it still any good as a healing agent?

Cheers, Nobby

 

[SweetSue]

Hi, last night I was decarbing my sativa oil and I left the nuwave induction hotplate on 230 degrees F, and went inside (too cold in the shed to wait 20 minutes), sat down in front of the TV and promptly went to sleep for 3 hours.

When I went back to my oil the nuwave had turned itself off and there were burned-like blotches in the pan around the edge, along with the decarbed oil which looked weird and sort of uneven and blotchy.

I've decarbed at 230F before, while watching it, and the oil has never gone over about 220F, so I thought I was safe to leave it for a while (I've been doing this same thing every night for 2 weeks straight).

Have I burned it? - no photo sorry, too fazzled to think straight. And if it's burned is it still any good as a healing agent?

Cheers, Nobby

This is a new one for me nooby, so I'm hoping someone else jumps in here to share. I'm sorry to hear of this frustration.

You could test some out to see if it's psychoactive. That might be the best way, if not the only way, to quickly determine the quality. Then, if it's good, you can use it in capsules if it's unpalatable.

 

[nobby32]

This is a new one for me nooby, so I'm hoping someone else jumps in here to share. I'm sorry to hear of this frustration.

You could test some out to see if it's psychoactive. That might be the best way, if not the only way, to quickly determine the quality. Then, if it's good, you can use it in capsules if it's unpalatable.

Good suggestion Sue, I'll try a bit tonight. No it's sativa, I'll try it on Saturday.

Cheers, nobby

 

[SweetSue]

Good suggestion Sue, I'll try a bit tonight. No it's sativa, I'll try it on Saturday.

Cheers, nobby

Hahaha! I read that nooby and had to laugh. Usually everything I have is sativa.

 

[Rastafeco]

Hi Sue, how are you? sorry for the delay!.
Thank you for every advice you gave me, you are so kind.
I follow your instructions and made a small amout of oil, but I have to confess I decarb the oil in the final stage, using the pan of the rice cooker inside a wok with boiling water, 90, 100° for about half an hour (I stopped the process when I saw the the oil stopped bubbling, at the end it only had a very, very tiny bubbles,) I use a pyrometer to check the themperature. Do you think I reach the decarboxilation of the oil? or Did I left it in the heat to much?.
I also add some extra virgen coconut oil, to reclaim all the oil in the fan. I try it to see how much potency the oil has. I think its ok after an hour of taking it I can feel the efects but given that I haven´t try other oils, or "pre decarbed herb" oil.
Sue, I would like to ask you do you have a photo of the decarbed herb ? Just to see how should I get out of the oven, a photo could be usefull to show the colour and texture that the herb should have.

edit: I put the whole extract in a syringeto facilitate the dosification, where I should conserve this needle? inside the freezer or inside the refrigerator?

Best Regards

 

[SweetSue]

Hi Sue, how are you? sorry for the delay!.
Thank you for every advice you gave me, you are so kind.
I follow your instructions and made a small amout of oil, but I have to confess I decarb the oil in the final stage, using the pan of the rice cooker inside a wok with boiling water, 90, 100° for about half an hour (I stopped the process when I saw the the oil stopped bubbling, at the end it only had a very, very tiny bubbles,) I use a pyrometer to check the themperature. Do you think I reach the decarboxilation of the oil? or Did I left it in the heat to much?.
I also add some extra virgen coconut oil, to reclaim all the oil in the fan. I try it to see how much potency the oil has. I think its ok after an hour of taking it I can feel the efects but given that I haven´t try other oils, or "pre decarbed herb" oil.
Sue, I would like to ask you do you have a photo of the decarbed herb ? Just to see how should I get out of the oven, a photo could be usefull to show the colour and texture that the herb should have.

edit: I put the whole extract in a syringeto facilitate the dosification, where I should conserve this needle? inside the freezer or inside the refrigerator?

Best Regards

Good job on the oil.

You can store it in the refrigerator. It sounds like you got the decarb step just right. If you were able to feel any effect you did well. What you need to keep in mind though is that even undecarbed oil is still potent medicine. You're treating cancer with this oil, so you want that THC, but they're discovering that THCA and CBDA are powerful cancer fighters in their own right.

I know I have pictures of decarbed bud, but they're lost in my gallery. For you, I'll decarb some and post pictures later today so you can see the difference. Watch for me in about 90 minutes from now.

Here you go. The decarbed is in the bottom picture. See how it looks roasted? That's after an hour at 245* F.

When you're working with it like this you need to be careful not to let too much of it go powdery. Powder will get through the filters. You want small but you want to limit powder. After a decarb in the oven this stuff will crumble easily if handled too roughly. I offer that just as a caution. Plant material in your oil isn't an end-of-the-world scenario anyway unless you're doing suppositories. Chemical pollutants in the plant material would be a much more serious concern.

 

[SweetSue]

Hi Sue, how are you? sorry for the delay!.

I'm here for you Rastafeco. No need to ever apologize.

 

[SweetSue]

Rastafeco, I was looking over your post and if the hottest you got the oil was 100 C it may not be fully decarbed. You needed to be around 120 C until there weren't any more bubbles. That's why they use an oil bath instead of boiling water for this step. The oil heats higher than the water. Boiling water only gets to 100 C. You can decarb at a lower temperature but you need to heat it longer.

You said you got a euphoric effect from the leftovers? If you got a buzz that means my concerns are invalid. Can you do a test of the CCO itself to assure that it's active or was your test of the residue enough to convince you of its efficacy?

 

[Rastafeco]

Hi S. Sue! how are you? hope you are fine!
I wanted to tell you that the boy is now taking the oil every day in very small doses, the first day the mother told me that maybe she gave him to much because he was very euforic and laughing a lot . He is also eating and spleeping better, sometimes the mother told me that the boy feel like kind of a headache but its not very strong and it makes him sleepy.

Sue I need to thank you for all your time and attention you gave me, you are an extraordinarie person, I am planning to travel to San Francisco next month (if everything goes right ) so I dont know where you are but it would be great to meet you if we are near eachother.

I am also making oil now for other people with chronic pain, and everyone is responding well to the oil, I am using a mix of dried cured flowers and low heat vaping oil.

I am decarbing the oil in boiling water and like you said it took more time to make the bubbles gone. I have to try making the decarb in an oilbath and compare to the boiling water decarbed oil to see if there is any difference.

Again, thank you Sue!!

 

[SweetSue]

Hi S. Sue! how are you? hope you are fine!
I wanted to tell you that the boy is now taking the oil every day in very small doses, the first day the mother told me that maybe she gave him to much because he was very euforic and laughing a lot . He is also eating and spleeping better, sometimes the mother told me that the boy feel like kind of a headache but its not very strong and it makes him sleepy.

Sue I need to thank you for all your time and attention you gave me, you are an extraordinarie person, I am planning to travel to San Francisco next month (if everything goes right ) so I dont know where you are but it would be great to meet you if we are near eachother.

I am also making oil now for other people with chronic pain, and everyone is responding well to the oil, I am using a mix of dried cured flowers and low heat vaping oil.

I am decarbing the oil in boiling water and like you said it took more time to make the bubbles gone. I have to try making the decarb in an oilbath and compare to the boiling water decarbed oil to see if there is any difference.

Again, thank you Sue!!

Sorry I missed this Rastafeco. You're more than welcome. Great news about the boy. Keep us informed please.

If you don't mind, we're trying to compile the many recipes used with CCO over at my Study Hall thread. I'd be so thrilled if you could share yours with us. The link is at the bottom of my signature line.

My daughter and I have been using capsules of a CBD strain to effectively counter chronic pain, and I've been working on a healing salve that was initially meant for pain but proved to be so much more than that.

I'm forever in awe of the healing potential of this wonderful plant. So much to learn, eh? Keep up the good work, and don't be a stranger.

Edit: Enjoy your trip to San Francisco. Unless there's some miraculous shift in the universe I'm currently unaware of I won't be there. I live on the East Coast, outside Pittsburgh.

 

[Canna Montana]

Hello,

After stripping the cannabis with the solvent, can you keep it in a storage container to evaporate the mix at a later time or does one immediately have to cook it?

I was planning on stripping the cannibis and putting the mix into a glass jar for later but am not sure if this would have any negative implications.

Thanks in advance

Make sure it has no plant material in it. It'll pull the chlorophyll and make a very dark oil. I do agree that it would last a long time in the freezer.

 

[Rastafeco]

Sorry I missed this Rastafeco. You're more than welcome. Great news about the boy. Keep us informed please.

If you don't mind, we're trying to compile the many recipes used with CCO over at my Study Hall thread. I'd be so thrilled if you could share yours with us. The link is at the bottom of my signature line.

My daughter and I have been using capsules of a CBD strain to effectively counter chronic pain, and I've been working on a healing salve that was initially meant for pain but proved to be so much more than that.

I'm forever in awe of the healing potential of this wonderful plant. So much to learn, eh? Keep up the good work, and don't be a stranger.

Edit: Enjoy your trip to San Francisco. Unless there's some miraculous shift in the universe I'm currently unaware of I won't be there. I live on the East Coast, outside Pittsburgh.

Hi Sue, hi everyone!
You can be sure that I will add my experience with the oil in the Study Hall, it is absolutely amazing the amount and kind of info that the S.H has, this is such an amazing community.

I would like to ask about something that a person who is taking to oil to relieve knee and neck pain, (her name is Anita). Well, Anita told me that the oil gives her relieves the pain, but it also gives her kind of a headache, similar to the feeling you get when you make you liver work to much, but its not the same headache sensation.

I would like to ask if somebody had a similar experience with this kind of headache after taking the oil.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Hi Sue, hi everyone!
You can be sure that I will add my experience with the oil in the Study Hall, it is absolutely amazing the amount and kind of info that the S.H has, this is such an amazing community.

I would like to ask about something that a person who is taking to oil to relieve knee and neck pain, (her name is Anita). Well, Anita told me that the oil gives her relieves the pain, but it also gives her kind of a headache, similar to the feeling you get when you make you liver work to much, but its not the same headache sensation.

I would like to ask if somebody had a similar experience with this kind of headache after taking the oil.

Is she drinking enough water? Hydration is key when using oil.

 

[SweetSue]

Is she drinking enough water? Hydration is key when using oil.

This is a really good point to make. Thanks supergroomer. It's such a basic thing it often gets overlooked. You're asking the body to work harder here while you're in healing mode. Proper hydration means your system can more easily carry the toxins out of your body. A good technique to increase water consumption is to be sure to drink a glass of water every time you urinate. Drink more often than that, but it's a great way to start the increase.

 

[wildjim]

WJ