How to get started growing indoors organically - No bottles

I calculated about 7 liters of rockdust total, for a ~200 liter batch of finished soil. Which would put me at 1 liter of each rockdust ingredient, except for the bashed up local rocks, of which I would need 4 liters .. or find a place that processes granite and basalt, and try to get some dust there.

I'll have to get creative with oysters and crustacean meal too .. it really bums me how little of this stuff is on the market here .. might get into business myself .. this is just retarded. Tons of people wearing wool freaking socks, yelping on about biological this and that and how important it is to save the planet with biological farming blah blah blah .. and when it comes to actually doing it .. nobody apparently buys the stuff to DIY :/ We seem to be a consumption society only :/
 
..also, neem seeds are unobtainable as far as I can see .. I can get neemoil from cold pressed seeds tho .. would that do ?

Edit: (to be fair, just found neem seeds, at rediculous prices ... $4 for 50 seeds .. I need enough to fill a liter .......)
 
Ok, that's perfect, and I'm gonna advise you to ditch another thing by the way, the oyster shells, which can and SHOULD be replaced with... egg shells (up to 97% calcium). You collect them, you dry them and then you grind them into fine powder. I've been using them for 12 years, work great. Sustainable, easy and organic solution to your problem.
 
Radogast said:
I checked prices on shipping 3lb of rock dust and cc mix nutrients from my house to Netherlands.
DHL $130 US, Fedex $160 US. That is totally ridiculous.

Have you checked a Dutch language permaculture board? There's really should be someone building soil.
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Ya I was going to offer to ship the CC nutrient mix from Buildasoil for him but it was insanely expensive.
 
Like rad said, and I said a few days ago...there HAS GOT TO BE someone in the Netherlands building soil or growing organic bud at the very least. Even just a gardening club or nursery could point you in the right direction.

Also, Neem seeds are not a make or break part of the soil mix. its really there to keep pests away. It is not necessary by any means.
 
conradino23 said:
Ok, that's perfect, and I'm gonna advise you to ditch another thing by the way, the oyster shells, which can and SHOULD be replaced with... egg shells (up to 97% calcium). You collect them, you dry them and then you grind them into fine powder. I've been using them for 12 years, work great. Sustainable, easy and organic solution to your problem.
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IS there an appreciable difference between egg shells, lime or oyster shells ? Or is it just an availability thing ?


Radogast said:
I checked prices on shipping 3lb of rock dust and cc mix nutrients from my house to Netherlands.
DHL $130 US, Fedex $160 US. That is totally ridiculous.

Have you checked a Dutch language permaculture board? There's really should be someone building soil.
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I did, there is a reason why I am on an English cannabis board ... it applies to permaculture as well ;) We can buy ready made soil .. but without the bone meal, blood meal, or peat .. this has been substituted by other stuff. We can buy bulk ingredients. We can scavenge nature.

I am also trying to build a fracking still .... which should be easy with a million tutorials online ... except when it gets to finding the used fittings, where all we have is tha standard stuff to connect the standard piping to the standard yada yada ... if I want something special, I need to import it, or DIY it.

ClosedCircuit said:
Like rad said, and I said a few days ago...there HAS GOT TO BE someone in the Netherlands building soil or growing organic bud at the very least. Even just a gardening club or nursery could point you in the right direction.

Also, Neem seeds are not a make or break part of the soil mix. its really there to keep pests away. It is not necessary by any means.
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Well .. organic gardening over here, is either compost and tea, or ready made soils, or source your own ingredients. I found oyster meal at the pet store .. food for birds. But will use egg shells instead, unless someone can convince me that I really really really need oyster meal.

If it is purely pest control, the neem seeds, cant I just add 'dislike' or a similar organic product based on neem and other oils, to the mix ?


Thanks all for helping me understand .. I think I'll be growing true organic in about 3 months .. depending on how long soil needs to cook, and how fast my compost heap is :p ... I need to get some worms ... where do they hide during winter ?
 
I was thinking .. crustacean .. does that involve all in that taxonomic tree ? Would woodlouse be a suitable alternative to crab/shrimp meal ?
 
It's only breakdown time, but oyster and egg shells will start releasing calcium just tge same. They both have to be grinded into powder though with a kitchen blender. I never used lime myself, but I think that one will up PH more drastically than above mentioned organic additives. You want calcium to be present throughout the grow as this improves cell structure and later influences the taste and ups the Brix of your budz.
 
Crab/Seafood meal is Calcium Carbonate : Eggshells are **** bad information deleted ****

I don't know the difference when trying to create a multi-year growing soil. **** no difference I was wrong****

Not knowing the difference, I would be more inclined to look for calcium carbonate at a farm and feed store.
**** They might have bulk calcium carbonate at a farm and feed store, so I'm leaving this part in !!!!****
 
Radogast said:
Crab/Seafood meal is Calcium Carbonate : Eggshells are calcium phosphate.

I don't know the difference when trying to create a multi-year growing soil.

Not knowing the difference, I would be more inclined to look for calcium carbonate at a farm and feed store.
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Rad man, no! It's all calcium carbonate. Calcium phosphate is found in milk.
 
conradino23 said:
Rad man, no! It's all calcium carbonate. Calcium phosphate is found in milk.
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Well dang Conradino.
Thanks for setting me straight!

It looks like every high school chemistry student knows they are calcium carbonate and I got fooled by one of those posts in a marijuana growing site (not 420 mag)

I guess it's my own fault. In my 3rd week in high school chemistry, I got an A- on my lab report while my 3 lab partners got C+ and D-.
The teacher had decided that since we all turned in identical numbers and it was my hand writing that my lab partners had cribbed my measurements.
I explained that we had all measured and double checked each others measurements to reach a consensus measurement then independently written up conclusions. If the number is wrong he needed to give me the D- because I wrote it down.

The teacher started yelling in class and saying I needed to show respect, etc. I was ordered out of class. I said "If I leave you need to come with me because I'm going straight to the principal and tell her that your class is out of control, your attitude is out of control, and you have some weird ideas about scientific collaboration and the scientific method." That didn't go over well. Within seconds, the teacher was screaming and smashing things. I led a stomping march of about 2/3 of the class to the principal's office, had a short discussion with the principal and the teacher was never seen at school again.

Chemistry class was cancelled until next semester, and thus I really suck at chemistry.

Thanks again for setting me straight!
 
:nomo:I found little snippet of info that makes me think shed woodlouse carapace does not contain the calcium you desire.


"Mature woodlice continue to moult; prior to moulting, the calcium contained in the old cuticle is removed and stored as conspicuous white blotches, these blotches disappear after moulting as the calcium is used to reinforce the new cuticle-(2).-"

Female woodlice also apparently have two vaginas :hmmmm:

Common woodlouse photo - Oniscus asellus - A9491 | ARKive
 
conradino23 said:
Ok, that's perfect, and I'm gonna advise you to ditch another thing by the way, the oyster shells, which can and SHOULD be replaced with... egg shells (up to 97% calcium). You collect them, you dry them and then you grind them into fine powder. I've been using them for 12 years, work great. Sustainable, easy and organic solution to your problem.
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Take him at his word PlanetJ. He obviously knows what he's talking about. Shouldn't he bake them first conradino?
 
bake/dry, same thing me guesses in this context. I'll have to go scavenge places where they process basalt and granite .. see if I can get some dust there.

Other then that, it seems that it is not even all that hard to collect a soil and build it.. I guess I can get live worms at a fishing supply shop .. or something like that.

How about horse manure and flax through the compost ? Should be good, right ?
 
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