Horse's Crawlspace Grow

OldMedMan said:
See your still Horsing around with the girls :cheertwo:

They'll fill in, not to worry! Just takes time. :)

What a threat! C&C movies for the kids! :yahoo:
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Hidee Ho OMM... I hope I'm never too old to horse around with the girls!

Y'all just keep telling me to wait, I may finally get it :)

And as far as the kids, this stuff is x-rated here... close to kids tacks on an extra 10 to 20... now, my kids are a different story, ha!

So, does Hawaii let old farts immigrate?

:peace: brotherman
 
HB, Damn weed hey ,LOL ya just when u think u got her all dialed in another curve ball.. my last grow all the freakin leaves fell off due to low ph and i still got nice buds which is all that matters in the end, thats what the leaves are for when u screw up they fall off red flag LOL bet they be fat in the end :popcorn:BC
 
Ok, so yesterday things were not looking so good, actually, they were looking worse than not looking so good, which is the way they were looking the day before yesterday. They looked like they had everything in the book (according to about 3 books), except maybe a fiduciary deficiency... jeeze nobody told me this hobby was like boats, of which I happen to have two of in the yard, and have designs on others!

So, I flushed them. Food Lion steam distilled water. It happens to have a 5.6 pH, who knew? I downed it to 5.4, runoff was 6.2. I'm not quite sure about hempies, but I'm thinking the perlite was holding about 6.6? Anybody? Should I reflush?

The temp at the canopy was over 90°. Temp at the top of the buckets was 80°. I've refanned/raised light to where the canopy is 80° and the bucket tops are 77°. I'm pretty sure this is/has been messing with the OC+.

I know, I know first grow... I'm stashing this info :)

Anyway, here's some pics...

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Tips n such

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The buds are budding!

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I like stumpy...

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I've read about ghosts in the music... but ghosts in the garden?

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Budzahappinin'

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We are getting there, but I wouldn't mind a swift kick in the ass, either :cool:

Thanks for looking.

:peace:
 
herbsnbuds said:
That looks sweet... I'm sure you've mentioned it before... probably more than once... but how long have they been in flower?
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Howdy Herb, nice of you to stoop in... flowering has been going on for 26 days. The buds are filling in, trichs are spreading, but these girls are stressing over something... maybe cal/mag which is where I'm going next. I may be the only person on this site who can't get OC+ to work in the simplest grow system there is :) Arrrgh!
 
Using flowering nutes I'm assuming? I have a plant with the same problem... just isn't tolerant to the nutes so I've been giving her fresh RO water only after I leeched her and still same problem. If your this far into flower, don't stress them too much by changing it all up. I'm just gonna grow it till its ready for harvest and see what happens.

Some if not all plants will turn some leaves yellow under flowering nutes do to the lack of N in the nutes. The P & K are higher to promote denser buds and more potency. The burn is usually a direct result of this as well I am finding. I've been using Fox Farm Big Bloom for the only supplemental nutes in my soil/hydro hybrid system but I'm getting some yellowing already in veg so I'm gonna stop using it until flower. Looking for a higher N in my next purchase.


For your problem I would...
a) Just crush some egg shells and mix them in with the water. Should provide free calcium to act as a buffer for ph and also free up the salts on the roots for better water consumption, but no reason to keep on flushing

b) leave it alone and let the flowers consume the nutes and forget about the leaves
 
OK! I will tell you a secret! Most of us take all the yellow leaves off before we take pictures, just so they look good. It's normal in flowering. The OC+ is working I'm sure. If you gave them enough. More will not hurt them. It just seems like it's not working. Careful with cal-mag. I gave my girls some and ended up with more yellow leaves. :smokin2:

Relax! Take a deep breath and wait! :)
 
Hogdady said:
Sounds like you're doin some stressin' too! :grinjoint:
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I know, if it wasn't the garden, I'd be worrying about something like how my state can collect internet sales tax! Ha.

Hey, I thought about you last night. Hickory grilled chicken with a Thai pepper sauce... ooohhhhh my!

Thanks for checkin' in.

herbsnbuds said:
Using flowering nutes I'm assuming? I have a plant with the same problem... just isn't tolerant to the nutes so I've been giving her fresh RO water only after I leeched her and still same problem. If your this far into flower, don't stress them too much by changing it all up. I'm just gonna grow it till its ready for harvest and see what happens.

Some if not all plants will turn some leaves yellow under flowering nutes do to the lack of N in the nutes. The P & K are higher to promote denser buds and more potency. The burn is usually a direct result of this as well I am finding. I've been using Fox Farm Big Bloom for the only supplemental nutes in my soil/hydro hybrid system but I'm getting some yellowing already in veg so I'm gonna stop using it until flower. Looking for a higher N in my next purchase.


For your problem I would...
a) Just crush some egg shells and mix them in with the water. Should provide free calcium to act as a buffer for ph and also free up the salts on the roots for better water consumption, but no reason to keep on flushing

b) leave it alone and let the flowers consume the nutes and forget about the leaves
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High Herb, good to see ya!

No nutes other than OC+, hygrozyme, and a few drops of SuperThrive. I've dropped the SuperThrive, just in case.

The egg shells are good idea for calcium. The hempies are quasi-hydro though, so I've been leery of putting anything organic in them... though maybe the hygrozyme would keep things clean?

I did give 1/4tsp/gal of epsom salts yesterday... things don't look worse this morning :cheertwo:

OldMedMan said:
OK! I will tell you a secret! Most of us take all the yellow leaves off before we take pictures, just so they look good.

You basterds :)

It's normal in flowering. The OC+ is working I'm sure. If you gave them enough. More will not hurt them. It just seems like it's not working. Careful with cal-mag. I gave my girls some and ended up with more yellow leaves. :smokin2:

I did give another charge of OC+ last week. I dunno, but among all the other symptoms, it does look like there's some nute burn. Leave it to me to pull off the impossible!!!

Relax! Take a deep breath and wait! :)

Ahhhh, ya know, I've been home a lot lately. Working on taxes... extensions are up the 15th. Every time I get a number that doesn't work, I go check out the girls. So, I've had plenty of time to obsess over them... but they're sure getting a lot of CO2 :grinjoint:

Thanks for the encouragement bro, I'll chill :blunt:
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Weekend update. Day 29 of flowering.

1/4tsp/gal of epsom salts, 1gal of well water to 3gal distilled w/ hygrozyme, pHed to 5.6, and each lady got a gallon on Wednesday. Things seem stabilized. The newer leaves don't seem to be getting any more tip damage... but may still be a little to soon to tell.

I raised the light, and stationed another fan to blow zephyrs just above the canopy. Temps are down from over 90° during light time, to just over 80°. A lot better, but do I need it lower?

Away we go, on with the show...

Scrog shot...

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The pistils seem to like everything and anything!

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Funk

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Some of the buds are looking fine...

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The buds are filling in where they can, and some new heads are poking thru (or at least up against) the screen. I haven't trimmed much more of the understory. There are a lot of little buds down. I figure I might need them for scientific testing purposes, but will leaving them effect the top sites? I can easily wack them, whaddaya think?

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Nice grow setup!



Im gonna put on my shiniest tinfoil hat and ask if the plastic clothesline smelled strong/funny when you first bought it? Is it possible its off-gassing?
 
SnowBender said:
Nice grow setup!



Im gonna put on my shiniest tinfoil hat and ask if the plastic clothesline smelled strong/funny when you first bought it? Is it possible its off-gassing?
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Howdee Snowbender, I can't really remember any smell, but it certainly could be off-gassing something... same thing with the kiddie pool, crawl space liner, and the Trader Joe rose pots actually did smell bad, so bad I cleaned them several times w/ bleach, soap, and H2O2 :(

Unless it's part of a conspiracy :)

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Hi Horse, looks like you might have sorted things out. Are the tops that still look a little rough spread around or more in the center or toward the edges?

Your screen is filling in nicely. I'd trim some of the lowest underscreen buds to allow the remaining tops to get more out of the root system. You can trim in stages so the plants don't get too stressed. Gonna be a lot of fat buds.:thumb:
 
Mmmmick said:
Hi Horse, looks like you might have sorted things out. Are the tops that still look a little rough spread around or more in the center or toward the edges?

Most of the action is at the center, but there is some around the edges. The plants had grown some and I didn't raise the light enough, which made the canopy temp higher, and the buckets too, which made the OC+ give it up faster... oy!

Your screen is filling in nicely. I'd trim some of the lowest underscreen buds to allow the remaining tops to get more out of the root system. You can trim in stages so the plants don't get too stressed. Gonna be a lot of fat buds.:thumb:

That sounds like a plan... oh no! :)
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Thanks for the crawl in!

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Sounds like my 126w grow. I guess the more active tops(more light) are the first to show any issues. Learning as I go.

The OC+ does have that drawback, once it's in the mix it's there to stay. I obviously need to be able to adjust my nutes on occassion so I stick with the liquid ferts. I'm curious if a flush will actually be effective with OC+ in the mix. How does that stuff compare cost wise to your reg nutes? Oh yeah, which OC+ release formula do you use? I understand there are three different formulations.
 
Mmmmick said:
Sounds like my 126w grow. I guess the more active tops(more light) are the first to show any issues. Learning as I go.

Yup, it is most evident in the foot print + 6"+/-.

The OC+ does have that drawback, once it's in the mix it's there to stay. I obviously need to be able to adjust my nutes on occassion so I stick with the liquid ferts. I'm curious if a flush will actually be effective with OC+ in the mix. How does that stuff compare cost wise to your reg nutes? Oh yeah, which OC+ release formula do you use? I understand there are three different formulations.

I had to go look :) it's Smart Release. I hope I'm not the one who has to suppy the smart! Actually, I see that smart release is not on of the OC+ release options... I can't tell what it is... orange top?

I think I paid eleven bucks for enough for maybe a 20 plant 3gal bucket grow. I paid something like $45 for the 3 bottle FF system and gave it to my son. I've got no idea what that will grow :) Flushing is an issue, but I think I'm staying with some sort of TRF, it is easy.
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:peace:
 
Yeah there's no question the OC+ is doing a great job in a bunch of grows here on 420. Just not my thing. I'm all for growing with whatever ya like, as long as the results make the grower happy. :thumb:

The OC+ has three release formulas (from what I've read, maybe more to it than that)designed for heavy feeding initially, steady release throughout, or a big finish for heavy late feeders. Maybe just a matter of selecting the right release formula to smooth out any strain dependant issues.
 
Mmmmick said:
Yeah there's no question the OC+ is doing a great job in a bunch of grows here on 420. Just not my thing. I'm all for growing with whatever ya like, as long as the results make the grower happy. :thumb:

The OC+ has three release formulas (from what I've read, maybe more to it than that)designed for heavy feeding initially, steady release throughout, or a big finish for heavy late feeders. Maybe just a matter of selecting the right release formula to smooth out any strain dependant issues.
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I have seen the 3 different rate releasers on scott's site, just not in the stores. I think I'm going to give it go for the next grow (ever the optimist!). This has been an abnormally hot summer, but so was the last one, and the one before that, and before that... hmmm, trendy?

I should have much cooler temps in the crawl during the winter (for the next couple of years maybe?), and the micro nutes are the plus.

TA is under control by using 3/1 dehumidifier drainings/well water... but the dehumidifier won't even come on in the winter, should have left the foundation drains off LOL. So I'll be buyin' ROd at 30¢/gal til I can make up a system.

I am sure there's more to perfecting the OC+ thing and satisfying strain gluttony (or lack thereof).

Ok, typing this, I thought I should check out Peters. I used the 20/20/20 for my last 10 years of outdoor grows. Their shit works. They do have a time release with micro nutes 16/9/23. May have to buck the 3/1/2 thinking... besides, I always liked big budz :)

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I may not be the plant abuser I was thinking I was. The lady I got the PP seeds from came by and said hers all looked like mine, too. Glad I put off fixin' 'em:grinjoint:

:peace:
 
Sounds like the strain needs a little special attention. once you get that part figured they should be great(er).:thumb:

Speaking of RO, the Max Water units on ebay are pretty fairly priced.
 
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