Hail Mary, An Outdoor Grow North Of New York City Needs Your Advice

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Hi there. Thanks for checking this out. Below are the basics of the grow, but first a little about me and the current situation I’m in.

I had a small indoor perpetual hydro setup several years ago that only got to run a couple cycles. This means I’m still a beginner as far as the plant itself goes. I had just as much fun designing and building my grow room and the actual grow process as I did the finished product. (Maybe more). I’m very much a DIY’er and and really enjoy the journey in most things rather than the actual outcome. In other words, reaching end goal is usually very anti-climactic for me. It’s the learning and “growing” along the way that I really enjoy.

Anyway, enough about me. On to my current situation and where I could use your input. About a month ago, I had some very favorable weather in my forecast, which is abnormal for a Southern New England town. Winter weather(sub 60highs/30lows)sometimes lasts well into our Spring Season. Obviously not ideal growing conditions. So anyway I put a seed in the dirt in a pot(see details below). And I know my process, as you are about to read, is not ideal nor recommended, but I share it with you so you know how I got to where I am today.

Some details:
Seed: bag seed, but we think it’s “do-lato”. Not sexed.
Environment: Outdoor. We average mid to upper 80s and sometime down to 50s at night, bu usually 60’s are more typical.
Container: (I know this was a bad idea). A very large pot, maybe 20gallaons. It’s one of those plastic deck pots that are meant to look all fancy. Again, I know not ideal on many levels.
Feeding: water not ph’ed but it was been filtered from my refrigerator. Yup I’m babying it a bit right now. No nutes to date, HOWEVER, this pot contained dirt that I bought last year and grew a tomato plant. It was store bought “organic” herb/vegetable potting soil. Probably had some mix of moisture lock, etc. The tomatoes grew great.

So anyway, in goes the seed into 1 year old used soil in a giant pot sitting on my deck. Of course I scratched up a few inches of the old soil, watered it a bit, and covered the seed about an 2” down. 2 80+ sunny days and out comes a beautiful little seedling :). No wet paper towels, or plates, or soaking in cups, or heating pads. Not knocking these methods. I’ve used them. But it’s true — you can put a seed in the ground(or pot) and nature actually happens!

I’ve attached 3 sets of photos. They are in total, 16 days apart.


So here is finally where I need some advice. What should I do with it now? It probably should have been in a smaller pot. Should I transplant down to a small pot. I don’t want a giant plant, so I was thinking a 10gal smart pot. Also it’s about time to get some nutrients down. Should I wait for a potential transplant? Finally it’s about ready for a “fim” or top. Again, wait till transplant and feeding?

Oh wait one more. There is no way I can get this thing through harvest. I’m thinking it will go to October where it gets very wet and cold here. I kinda need to force flower, but not really sure how to outdoors.


Thanks again. Happy to keep this journal going with some positive feedback that I can put to practice.
 

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The pot will work, it will seem like a slow start as the roots go crazy with all the extra space. (Though it will be heavy to lift)
If your going to transplant the longer you wait the harder it will be.

Nutrients, yes you should start with them.

Top or fim when ever you want (4th or 5th node is recommended) ((Transplant first, if your going to))

You can force it to flower if you want but that means limiting the light to 12 hours. So you would have to manually relocate it to a dark area every day (sucks to have a heavy pit now eh?! Lol)
Or cover it with a light proof cover.
 
The pot will work, it will seem like a slow start as the roots go crazy with all the extra space. (Though it will be heavy to lift)
If your going to transplant the longer you wait the harder it will be.

Nutrients, yes you should start with them.

Top or fim when ever you want (4th or 5th node is recommended) ((Transplant first, if your going to))

You can force it to flower if you want but that means limiting the light to 12 hours. So you would have to manually relocate it to a dark area every day (sucks to have a heavy pit now eh?! Lol)
Or cover it with a light proof cover.

Thanks for stopping by. I’ll have to do some research on force flowering outdoors. I really think it’s my only shot given my geography.
 
The big pot is a good thing....however, tomatoes are heavy feeders and probably depleted much of the nutrients of that soil. Growth will be slow as the plant develops roots. If you want to "feed" her while she grows consider FF Big Bloom and use every 2x or 3x watering. If she is outdoors, Mother Sun will force flower her for you and you should be done by October....since you are not sure of the strain I would just let it roll and see how she does.

:goodluck:
 
The big pot is a good thing....however, tomatoes are heavy feeders and probably depleted much of the nutrients of that soil. Growth will be slow as the plant develops roots. If you want to "feed" her while she grows consider FF Big Bloom and use every 2x or 3x watering. If she is outdoors, Mother Sun will force flower her for you and you should be done by October....since you are not sure of the strain I would just let it roll and see how she does.

:goodluck:
Good to know I should be done by October-especially coming from someone more north of me :)

I’ll look into the FF line.

Do outdoor growers still top? I’m not going for quantity but don’t want this thing 8ft tall either.
 
Much appreciated on all accounts. Here are some pics from just a minute ago. Interesting how it stretched to get to the rim height of the pot. Now it’s stacking tighter. Very cool! I think I’m going to take out that new growth in the middle. Do you guys tend to cut it all (top) or leave a little growth(fim). I realize they enchanter growth in different ways, but what is best for outdoor — if that is a thing. Keep in mind I don’t plan on scrog-ging or trellis-ing. I’m good with the tomato cage and/or occasional stake and string. Reason being is, this is not meant to be a full blown operation, mostly for discretionary reasons.

Thanks again!
 

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Interesting how it stretched to get to the rim height of the pot. Now it’s stacking tighter. Very cool! I think I’m going to take out that new growth in the middle. Do you guys tend to cut it all (top) or leave a little growth(fim). I realize they enchanter growth in different ways, but what is best for outdoor — if that is a thing. Keep in mind I don’t plan on scrog-ging or trellis-ing. I’m good with the tomato cage and/or occasional stake and string. Reason being is, this is not meant to be a full blown operation, mostly for discretionary reasons.

For an outdoor grow I usually top it (entirely) between the 6th and 8th node (depending on height/shape of the plant). I use tomato cages and I like them because you have something to attach training.
 
When I top,I always leave a bit of the stem on top to try and prevent splitting the stem later on when training or tieing down branches.
 
Last summer I forced a plant to flower early by covering it with shade cloth every night a few hours before sunset then uncovering it after it got dark. Don’t leave it covered all night or you’ll risk getting mold.


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Here are some photos from early today. I’ve decided to leave it in the giant deck pot for now.

Topped on 7/9.

Nutrients started on 7/10.

Should I clean off that lower side growth?
 

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That’s your choice,now that she’s topped u can let her go or start lst ( low stress training) by bending and tieing down branch’s to control height and produce more bud sites.
 
Before I answer, what type of seed is it ? Auto or photo ? I’ll keep the lower branches if it’s a auto if not feel free to trim just my 2$
 
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