Growing Without Bloom Nutes By Farside05

I've yet to do anything with cuttings/clones 1) because I've done more autos than photos, and 2) because I've always wanted to try new strains. Only until the last grow have I found anything I've wanted a continuous supply of and I didn't take cuttings. That said, I'd do 1g Mega, 1ml Cal-Mag, and 1mg Pro-Tekt. I'll sprout seeds in that so it should not be too strong. I'd do that for 5-7 days after roots start showing and then move to 2 each. That would simulate my feed schedule when growing from seed.
Thank you my friend. You have been so much help. I hope all goes well with the pups tumor surgery.
btw if you drew a 75 mile circle around gatlinburg we hope to relocate if house sells this coming spring. up in the trees of pine i hope. maybe around the dome, i could garden there!
 
Day 49, Day 14 from Flip

Been up 25 hours when I visited the girls. Probably should have fed the big girl (back left) in the AM but got into replacing the drive axles in the wife's van. She looks a bit wilty but will snap back after being fed 1 gal of 6g Mega Crop, 5ml Cal Mag, 5ml Pro Tekt, 10ml Terpinator. She could take more liquid but i'll catch that when the other girls need a drink. Speaking of drinks, I've been on a diet of Cherry Rum and Diet Coke plus Tequila shots. Wanted to thin out the ladies, so out came the scissors (aka Farside Drunken Hands). I normally wait for the stretch to finish before I take too much off them, but these are leafy bitches. Undercarriage removed and the inside fans thinned for better light penetration. When I go full defoliation mode, I don't care if anything actually ends up in the garbage bag, I'll clean that up when I'm done. I think they came out pretty good. They may look a bit yellow because I exposed so much new growth. That will change in a day or two as they embrace the new light.






nice job on the defol matey. looks like you used a strimmer by the leaves left over.lol
"He said let there be light !" , and she bellowed " and who's paying for THAT !!!??"
 
Thank you my friend. You have been so much help. I hope all goes well with the pups tumor surgery.
btw if you drew a 75 mile circle around gatlinburg we hope to relocate if house sells this coming spring. up in the trees of pine i hope. maybe around the dome, i could garden there!

The surgery didn't happen. I guess the Doc has been having some carpel tunnel issues. He was doing a routine spay before he did my dog and his hand went completely numb. He didn't want to do my dogs tumor removal with a numb hand he can couldnt feel with. Had to go pick her up just a couple hours after I dropped her off. He's gonna see someone about his hand. Surgery postponed till January.

Gatlinburg is nice. Amazing views. I don't care for all the touristy junk shops but my wife loves that crap. We said we were gonna move there when we retire and work at Dollywood. Kind of a family joke since all the employees at Dollywood are senior citizens.
 
Day 49, Day 14 from Flip

Been up 25 hours when I visited the girls. Probably should have fed the big girl (back left) in the AM but got into replacing the drive axles in the wife's van. She looks a bit wilty but will snap back after being fed 1 gal of 6g Mega Crop, 5ml Cal Mag, 5ml Pro Tekt, 10ml Terpinator. She could take more liquid but i'll catch that when the other girls need a drink. Speaking of drinks, I've been on a diet of Cherry Rum and Diet Coke plus Tequila shots. Wanted to thin out the ladies, so out came the scissors (aka Farside Drunken Hands). I normally wait for the stretch to finish before I take too much off them, but these are leafy bitches. Undercarriage removed and the inside fans thinned for better light penetration. When I go full defoliation mode, I don't care if anything actually ends up in the garbage bag, I'll clean that up when I'm done. I think they came out pretty good. They may look a bit yellow because I exposed so much new growth. That will change in a day or two as they embrace the new light.






Nice work scissor cherry rum hands!

:welldone:
 
The surgery didn't happen. I guess the Doc has been having some carpel tunnel issues. He was doing a routine spay before he did my dog and his hand went completely numb. He didn't want to do my dogs tumor removal with a numb hand he can couldnt feel with. Had to go pick her up just a couple hours after I dropped her off. He's gonna see someone about his hand. Surgery postponed till January.

Gatlinburg is nice. Amazing views. I don't care for all the touristy junk shops but my wife loves that crap. We said we were gonna move there when we retire and work at Dollywood. Kind of a family joke since all the employees at Dollywood are senior citizens.

Hey bro is this the right stuff to get to make my own faux-tekt?


Also i had a question about curing ur buds? If i accidentally dried them out to much wen drying an i throw them into the jars do i still need to open them one time a day each day for like an hour or sonce they r so dry do i open it for less time?
 
Hey bro is this the right stuff to get to make my own faux-tekt?


Also i had a question about curing ur buds? If i accidentally dried them out to much wen drying an i throw them into the jars do i still need to open them one time a day each day for like an hour or sonce they r so dry do i open it for less time?

Yes, Potassium Silicate, that is correct, but you can get it for $20 a 1lb bag, shipped, HERE . Actually right now its on sale for $16.

If you over dried your bud, look to get some Bovida packs to help rehydrate them.
 
I just over dried my harvest, like down to about ~49%. To rehydrate, I soaked some toilet paper and wrung it all the way out, then put a few moist wads in the jar for a few hours. The buds closest to the wads got very moist, so I removed the wads and those moist buds then served as my wads as the drier buds then absorbed the moisture and it all evened out after a couple hours. It was still on the dry side, but certainly out of the danger zone.
 
Yes, Potassium Silicate, that is correct, but you can get it for $20 a 1lb bag, shipped, HERE . Actually right now its on sale for $16.

If you over dried your bud, look to get some Bovida packs to help rehydrate them.

Yea i do got some need to get more actually lol. But do i still open the jars each day like normal? Or shud i shorten the time i have them open or maybe not open as often or sumthn lol. I jus kinda screwd myself an my harvest got to dry i wasmt prepared for winter hitting this dry an my buds went crispy during drying lol. But yea man thanx for the link ill make sure to get some. So if i follow ur nute schedule which ill have to relook at the items. But for this silica how much would a pound last me considering im guna be trying to do a sog in my 10 x 10 with the MC this silica mixture and whatever else u tell me 2 use lmao.
 
Hold it. Holllllldddd it!



Not eligible for Amazon Prime? What the hell, Jonesie?


Feck that! :rofl::rofl::rofl:



:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
But for this silica how much would a pound last me considering im guna be trying to do a sog in my 10 x 10 with the MC this silica mixture and whatever else u tell me 2 use lmao.

A pound should make you 3.25 quarts or more. However long that is in your world, i'm not sure. In my little tent with 4 plants, I'd guess that a quart will finish 12 plants? So a pound of Potassium Silicate will finish maybe 40 plants? Just a guess.

Hold it. Holllllldddd it!

Not eligible for Amazon Prime? What the hell, Jonesie?

Feck that! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Gotta love Prime. The Potassium Silicate I ordered from BuildASoil is coming from the other side of the country. I've been waiting what feels like forever for it. That 2 day Prime service got me spoiled.
 
Gotta love Prime. The Potassium Silicate I ordered from BuildASoil is coming from the other side of the country. I've been waiting what feels like forever for it. That 2 day Prime service got me spoiled.

Prime, yes. My amazon bill... not so much lately. :laugh:


I've noticed that since thanksgiving "prime" shipments are all a day longer than normal. I guess that's on the fulfillment side though, as it ships as usual but they give it an extra day to get the order together.

Ugh, can't these holiday shoppers get off my lawn? :rofl:

(Like the 2 hours I stood in line at the home improvement store last Friday for $5 in parts to fix a leak. :rolleyes:)
 
Yea i do got some need to get more actually lol. But do i still open the jars each day like normal? Or shud i shorten the time i have them open or maybe not open as often or sumthn lol. I jus kinda screwd myself an my harvest got to dry i wasmt prepared for winter hitting this dry an my buds went crispy during drying lol. But yea man thanx for the link ill make sure to get some. So if i follow ur nute schedule which ill have to relook at the items. But for this silica how much would a pound last me considering im guna be trying to do a sog in my 10 x 10 with the MC this silica mixture and whatever else u tell me 2 use lmao.
I would still burp those jars. Just not as long as you usually do. Maybe dump em out for 15-20 min a day, instead of 60+ a day. There are some funky flavors that hang around the first week or so after drying.

If it's a bit crispy... grab a few humidity packs. Boveda are great, but I use Boost 62's. They are a bit cheaper, and I just like the company better.

Happens to the best of us. I've dried buds into the low 50% range for RH and still recovered some respectable buds after curing.

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Yes, Potassium Silicate, that is correct, but you can get it for $20 a 1lb bag, shipped, HERE . Actually right now its on sale for $16.

If you over dried your bud, look to get some Bovida packs to help rehydrate them.
I got the $16 bag shipping to me now. I have teased pennywise I should be called pennyless.
This helps. Thank You! :love:
 
I got the $16 bag shipping to me now. I have teased pennywise I should be called pennyless.
This helps. Thank You! :love:

I know I work too hard to just throw money away, and assume others are the same way. Probably why I don't go to strip clubs or casinos. Yeah, I have before, but what an expensive form of entertainment. Over the years i've found ways to trim costs out of my grows via making my own soil-less mix and using powdered nutes. The biggest cost it still probably electricity and there is no way around that if you are growing indoors. I don't see it as cheap, ok, maybe I am. I just want a good value if I'm going to spend a buck. Shopping Amazon for car parts was probably my biggest revelation the last couple years. Even as a Do-It-Yourselfer, saving 50% on parts over buying local was a big deal. The average age of the crew I work with is 15 years younger than me. I don't know how they are ever gonna make any headway. They pay more for a 2 bedroom apartment than I pay for a mortgage on a 4 bedroom, 2400 sq/ft home on 1.5 acres. They have no DIY skills at all. They work overtime every week just to make the bills. There is no way they'll ever be able to save enough for a down payment. I guess its great if you are landlord in this town, but as a society, I wonder where we are headed.
 
As more and more people make the switch to Mega Crop I’m seeing a lot of misconceptions of what it is, or is not. Let’s examine further. To keep the high-brow scientific speak to a minimum, we’ll keep it simplified and in basic terms.

First let’s review some basics. The word “Salt or Salts” is thrown around often and it’s grossly misused. For the full article on Salts, see HERE in my journal. Otherwise, let us summarize. The general public thinks of Salt as the white granular stuff season your food with, NaCl, which is toxic to plants. This is NOT what we are talking about here. We are using the chemist view of Salts which is, “any molecule that is made up of two or more ions.” They are normally crystalline solids. There are hundreds of different kinds of Salts, some like Ammonium Nitrate and Potassium Chloride are common in fertilizer. When salts are dissolved in water, the ions in the salt separate and are no longer joined together. They are now properly called ions, not salt.

To recap, if you are using a DRY fertilizer that contains things like Potassium Nitrate (combination of Potassium and Nitrogen ions), Calcium Nitrate (Calcium and Nitrogen ions), and Magnesium Sulfate (Magnesium and Sulfur ions), these ARE Salts. Once you add that powder to a gallon or liter of water and dissolve it, it is no longer Salts its IONS. So guess what. Mega Crop IS a Salt based fertilizer. Is that bad? NOT AT ALL! In organic gardening, you may have substance that is consumed by a microorganism and it excretes a Nitrogen ion as a byproduct. That Nitrogen ion is NO DIFFERENT than the Nitrogen ion that is released when some Potassium Nitrate was dissolved in water. AN ION IS AN ION, THE PLANT KNOWS NO DIFFERENCE.

What about Salt build up? If you are this point and you’re asking this question, reread the previous two paragraphs. The moment you dissolved that solid into water it became ions, not salts. The question should be, What about a buildup or imbalance of unused ions? It may be nitpicky, but let’s use the correct vernacular. It could be that you supplied more of a particular ion than what the plant needed. Let’s pick one for examples sake. Let’s say that you provided more Phosphorus than the plat needed. That excess Phosphorous will build up in the growing medium over time and could cause issues. This is why it’s recommended that you water until there is a good runoff or periodically rinse your medium, to reset the balance of your intended feed.

Enough about Salts, let’s talk about Chelation. What is it and why is it necessary? In really simplified form, the metal trace elements needed for our plants tend to react poorly with growing mediums that are a pH level of 6.5 and above. Instead of being readily available to our plants, they bind with the medium instead. Think of a Chelated trace elementa as an M&M. Say the plant wants chocolate, but when you try to give it chocolate, it melts all over your hands, and not in the plants mouth. The solution? Let’s put a hard candy shell on the chocolate and turn it into an M&M. The plant consumes the M&M, getting the chocolate it craves from inside the hard candy shell, and you don’t get chocolate all over your hands. Chelation works much the same. The barrier that the trace element has been chelated with keeps it from sticking to the soil so the plant can uptake it though the roots or leaves.

Now that we know what Chelation is, what types are there? Traditionally EDTA has been used to Chelate the metal trace elements in fertilizers. It does its job quite well. The other type is Chelation with Amino Acids. Is this something new? No. Although you can find studies dating back to 2006 on Amino Acid Chelation, you haven’t really seen many products adopting it until 2015. So what is the difference? EDTA is a synthetic, non-biodegradable, product. It is considered a pollutant and can build up in animal and human tissue. Amino Acids are organic and biodegradable. They are not considered a pollutant to the environment and are more sustainable. In the 2006 study mentioned above, using rice crops as a test subject, the Amino Acid Chelated fertilizer produced 10% more yield. Amino Acid Chelation is more efficient than EDTA and supplies that plant with more of the trace minerals. Which type of Chelation does Mega Crop use? Amino Acid, whereas many of the other fertilizers are still using EDTA.

The low down on Chelation. It’s not a dirty word. You want your fertilizer Chelated. You want your trace minerals available over a wide pH range and available to your plant. The only valid argument against Chelation is that it was Chelated with EDTA and that it is a pollutant, non-biodegradable, and can build up in human tissue. Problem solved with Amino Acid Chelation.

So there are the meat and potatoes of Mega Crop, but it doesn’t end there. In your bag they also decided to throw in a side salad. Mega Crop also includes other amino acids, kelp extract, B vitamins, and a small amount of Silica. These are some things that growers have been supplementing their plants with, so they decided to add them to the mix. The benefit to you is that you now don’t have to have a bunch of extra supplements. Everything you need to grow a nice plant is included in the bag. Can you decide to supplement other things with Mega Crop? Yes. It’s up to you to make that decision, but it isn’t necessary. If you do, however, use caution, especially with high K boosters. Mega Crop has quite robust in K to begin with. Too much and you could lock out other things like Calcium.

Summary

What it is. Mega Crop is a complete powdered 1 part fertilizer. Being a dry fertilizer, you’re not paying for water which you could add yourself. You’re not paying for the shipping cost and weight of that water either. Plus you are getting a full strength product, not a watered down, diluted version. It contains all 17 required elements for plant growth. Many of the other products, both dry and liquid, will only contain the 8 essentials. On top of that it also contains some additives that many growers choose to supplement, cutting down your supplement cost. Since its one part, you also aren’t spending needless time mixing several bottles. It’s quick and easy.

What it is not. Mega Crop isn’t unicorn horn dust. It works just like any other fertilizer. Other fertilizers are Chelated too and allow for the uptake of required elements over a broad pH range, most just do so with EDTA instead of amino acids. It’s not “Salt Free”. The sources of N-P-K are the same “Salts” that other fertilizer companies are using. Look at a label where it says “derived from” (see photos of Mega Crop and Dyna Gro Foliage Pro below). There is no guarantee that unused ions will not build up in your growing medium. It is still recommended to feed to runoff, or occasionally rinse your medium, to maintain the optimum balance of all the nutrients. You can check this yourself quite easily. If you don’t water to the point of runoff for several feedings, do so once and catch that first bit and check it with your TDS meter. What I can guarantee is that it will be higher, probably significantly higher, than your input. Pour another gallon or so at your pot and check the runoff again. You will see a decline. So why was that initial runoff so much higher? Build up! It’s not a knock on Mega Crop at all. It’s just fertilizer basics 101. You will not be able to feed every element in exactly the amount the plant wants. The goal is to make sure there is an abundance, but not overly excessive amount, of everything it might want. It will pick and choose from the buffet from there. It won’t eat the whole buffet. There will be leftovers. Those leftovers will remain in your medium. They aren’t sucked in by the roots, travel up the stems, and transpired out the leaves. Your plant isn’t Bulimic.

I’m sure someone with a PhD in Botany will want to say I over simplified something or mince points. Please provide supporting documentation. I could have linked every article for reference material but chose to try to put things in everyday language and examples the average stoner can understand, since that's what most of us are.



Doesn't that show EDTA as an ingredient??
 
Doesn't that show EDTA as an ingredient??

You must be referring to the label from Dyna Gro Foliage Pro (photo #2). There's 2 different products there in the photos. The photos are just for comparison that, yes, Mega Crop IS Salt based. The first photo is the Mega Crop label. There is no EDTA on it.
 
I know I work too hard to just throw money away, and assume others are the same way. Probably why I don't go to strip clubs or casinos. Yeah, I have before, but what an expensive form of entertainment. Over the years i've found ways to trim costs out of my grows via making my own soil-less mix and using powdered nutes. The biggest cost it still probably electricity and there is no way around that if you are growing indoors. I don't see it as cheap, ok, maybe I am. I just want a good value if I'm going to spend a buck. Shopping Amazon for car parts was probably my biggest revelation the last couple years. Even as a Do-It-Yourselfer, saving 50% on parts over buying local was a big deal. The average age of the crew I work with is 15 years younger than me. I don't know how they are ever gonna make any headway. They pay more for a 2 bedroom apartment than I pay for a mortgage on a 4 bedroom, 2400 sq/ft home on 1.5 acres. They have no DIY skills at all. They work overtime every week just to make the bills. There is no way they'll ever be able to save enough for a down payment. I guess its great if you are landlord in this town, but as a society, I wonder where we are headed.

Until about 10 years ago, I was mentally one of them dipshits you work with, but then necessity began nipping on my ass and I needed to cut corners to save money. Now everything I do is DIY, everything. a few months ago, I was strictly a hydro grower and formulated my own regimens completely from scratch, then when I saw your Faux Brix, I knew I could use my nutrient knowledge to fluff it out and emulate the High Brix soil, and so far that's working out well. I began under HID lighting and now have LEDs and TBH, that was a wise investment. I had to learn electrical, plumbing, had to hone my carpentry skills. If you don't already own one, I highly recommend buying you a 3D printer. Running them requires experience with the free software, so there's a learning curve, but they are so handy for pimping out a grow room or tent. There's not a bracket I can't imagine, design fairly quickly, then print. I'm still using my entry level printer from more than 2 years ago, and got it for around $250. The entry level ones range from about $150 - $400 and a kilo of filament costs around $16. As a DIY person, the printer is 100% the best thing I ever bought. I've already printed parts to build a bigger better printer, plus also printed parts to build a light duty CNC machine that has a 2' x 2' x 6" work area that can run an ink pen, drag razor, laser, router spindle and possibly other things. I didn't yet finish building the new printer, but I did assemble the CNC machine and it's very cool.

Here's my Thingiverse page with all the grow room related designs I've shared. Most designs are customizable to you can tweak the dimensions.

Skybound420's Thingiverse Profile
 
You must be referring to the label from Dyna Gro Foliage Pro (photo #2). There's 2 different products there in the photos. The photos are just for comparison that, yes, Mega Crop IS Salt based. The first photo is the Mega Crop label. There is no EDTA on it.

correct...I didn't notice you had two different products...my bad! :)
 
Until about 10 years ago, I was mentally one of them dipshits you work with, but then necessity began nipping on my ass and I needed to cut corners to save money. Now everything I do is DIY, everything. a few months ago, I was strictly a hydro grower and formulated my own regimens completely from scratch, then when I saw your Faux Brix, I knew I could use my nutrient knowledge to fluff it out and emulate the High Brix soil, and so far that's working out well. I began under HID lighting and now have LEDs and TBH, that was a wise investment. I had to learn electrical, plumbing, had to hone my carpentry skills. If you don't already own one, I highly recommend buying you a 3D printer. Running them requires experience with the free software, so there's a learning curve, but they are so handy for pimping out a grow room or tent. There's not a bracket I can't imagine, design fairly quickly, then print. I'm still using my entry level printer from more than 2 years ago, and got it for around $250. The entry level ones range from about $150 - $400 and a kilo of filament costs around $16. As a DIY person, the printer is 100% the best thing I ever bought. I've already printed parts to build a bigger better printer, plus also printed parts to build a light duty CNC machine that has a 2' x 2' x 6" work area that can run an ink pen, drag razor, laser, router spindle and possibly other things. I didn't yet finish building the new printer, but I did assemble the CNC machine and it's very cool.

Here's my Thingiverse page with all the grow room related designs I've shared. Most designs are customizable to you can tweak the dimensions.

Skybound420's Thingiverse Profile

That's so COOL! Gotta check that out1
 
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