jojo677
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That's some stretching, and it's great to hear they're all girls!
Groovy Bud's Revenge Grow Journal - Super Lemon Haze & Blue Dream DWC
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Groovy Bud
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Yeah but I hate when accidents happen. There have been so many already, but all due to lack of experience. I'll get better at preventing fails, learning from mistakes
I'm in the same boat when it comes to lack of experience, but just think all of the mistakes you made in your first grow, then makes you a better grower on your next grow as you know not to make those mistakes again.
The ladies look amazing! I can't wait to see them start their flower development.
The ladies look amazing! I can't wait to see them start their flower development.
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Groovy Bud
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Thanks for the kind words Whitty, I sure needed those. 
When light's turn on, let's see if my mendings and adjustments took effect.
Already bought Big Bud, and might add it today. I'ts been almost a week since flip. Will add 50% of Big Bud today, the rest tomorrow.
See you in a bit
When light's turn on, let's see if my mendings and adjustments took effect.
Already bought Big Bud, and might add it today. I'ts been almost a week since flip. Will add 50% of Big Bud today, the rest tomorrow.
See you in a bit
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Groovy Bud
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Quick photo update. Didn't have much time to get a good angle, so It seems like a jungle from this point of view. Trust me that from a top view, it looks more organized.
Damage on BD #1 is healing very quickly (almost fully recovered)
Damage on SLH #1, as the branch is thicker, it requires more time to heal, but it is looking promising!
SLH #1 has it's older tops higher than the "newer" growth, just as desired, so I can get light on those massive tops. Not so much on the rest of the ladies, as the canopy is evenly leveled (newer growth is almost at the same height as the old) and light doesn't penetrate as much to reach for bud sites. Seems like I'll have long sessions of leaf tucking or some other technique.
Added Big Bud on 50% dosage. It is a bit foamy, but nothing greasy.
More fresh water and nutes, total E.C. of 1.85.
Tomorrow, if E.C. doesn't climb, I might add 25% or the rest to 100% as it doesn't affect the E.C. that much (1% of P and 3% of K only)
Thank you all for the good vibes, I'm sure they are healing properly due to your "prayers"
Damage on BD #1 is healing very quickly (almost fully recovered)
Damage on SLH #1, as the branch is thicker, it requires more time to heal, but it is looking promising!
SLH #1 has it's older tops higher than the "newer" growth, just as desired, so I can get light on those massive tops. Not so much on the rest of the ladies, as the canopy is evenly leveled (newer growth is almost at the same height as the old) and light doesn't penetrate as much to reach for bud sites. Seems like I'll have long sessions of leaf tucking or some other technique.
Added Big Bud on 50% dosage. It is a bit foamy, but nothing greasy.
More fresh water and nutes, total E.C. of 1.85.
Tomorrow, if E.C. doesn't climb, I might add 25% or the rest to 100% as it doesn't affect the E.C. that much (1% of P and 3% of K only)
Thank you all for the good vibes, I'm sure they are healing properly due to your "prayers"
CajunCelt
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Defol time?
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Groovy Bud
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I thought about that today, Cajun, but since they've been stressed recently, I'm not sure if I should do it right away.
In a day they might be healed enough so I can stress them a bit again. What'cha think?
So how much folliage should I take off from the lower level? 25%? Should I pick bottom fan leaves that are coming from the main stalk as well? Because those are thick, although they are tucked and doing nothing actually.
What should I do about those excessively little-underdeveloped-mini tops?
I understand defol isn't done all at once, but should I take the most I can from the bottom 1/3 of height of all branches right away?
Thanks for the heads-up Cajun!
In a day they might be healed enough so I can stress them a bit again. What'cha think?
So how much folliage should I take off from the lower level? 25%? Should I pick bottom fan leaves that are coming from the main stalk as well? Because those are thick, although they are tucked and doing nothing actually.
What should I do about those excessively little-underdeveloped-mini tops?
I understand defol isn't done all at once, but should I take the most I can from the bottom 1/3 of height of all branches right away?
Thanks for the heads-up Cajun!
Thanks for the kind words Whitty, I sure needed those.
When light's turn on, let's see if my mendings and adjustments took effect.
Already bought Big Bud, and might add it today. I'ts been almost a week since flip. Will add 50% of Big Bud today, the rest tomorrow.
See you in a bit
You're most welcome. Glad I could help!
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Today I did some defoling on the bottom of the branches (bottom 1/4th of their height), removing unecessary fans and minimal tops that weren't going to develop into anything, in my opinnion.
I just wish I had higher tops so they could be totally exposed to the light. Fans at canopy level seem to be overshading each other, and creating a screen that makes it harder for light to penetrate to the undergrow.
Pre-flowers are growing in size, but there is no relevant budding yet. I guess it is too soon yet. Let's see if removing bottom fans and those micro-tops redirects energy flow to the main stems, or if it stresses them instead.
I just wish I had higher tops so they could be totally exposed to the light. Fans at canopy level seem to be overshading each other, and creating a screen that makes it harder for light to penetrate to the undergrow.
Pre-flowers are growing in size, but there is no relevant budding yet. I guess it is too soon yet. Let's see if removing bottom fans and those micro-tops redirects energy flow to the main stems, or if it stresses them instead.
CajunCelt
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Take off a few of the upper big fans that point back to the center of the plant & are covering up bud sites.
Not too much since you've cleaned the bottom.
Post pics when ya get done so we can see your defol bud.
Happy 4th my friend.
Not too much since you've cleaned the bottom.
Post pics when ya get done so we can see your defol bud.
Happy 4th my friend.
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Groovy Bud
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I will Cajun. I have only defoled the bottom 1/4 of each one of them, but I'm having trouble accessing the back of the room. I don't have any side space and only 1 tent entrance that I can use. And I can't move my reservoirs much either. The lid slides, yes but still I can't move it much, risking it to fall.
On the next grow I must find a more movable thing if I want to train them more decently, and even take them out of the tent for some maintenance.
On the next grow I must find a more movable thing if I want to train them more decently, and even take them out of the tent for some maintenance.
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PHOTO UPDATE
Today was a pretty positive day putting and developing skills on training plants and my mood was tuned into it.
So I defoiled + Leaf Tucked a bit near the canopy level so I could have those budding spots exposed to light.
I didn't want to do too much defoling on top, as I just did some on the bottom 2 days ago, and I don't want to cause too much stress, so I combo'ed those together.
As a result of that and some more stem positioning I noticed a huge improvement on light penetration and to my eyes light seems to be reaching everywhere just fine.
Upped Big Bud (bloom enhancer) to its 100% dose and added some more Micro and Bloom (0.70:1 ratio). Ended up with E.C. of 2.0
The E.C. had dropped since 2 days ago so they were asking for more food, so I gave it to them.
Pictures:
Blue Dream Area. BD #1 on the left and BD #2 on the right.
SLH area. SLH #1 more to the left and SLH #2 more to the right
Another perspective on the SLH's and a bit of Blue Dream (on the bottom 1/3 of the picture)
Pictures of Stems I didn't go too hard on the defoling yet. I'll do it again within some more days
BD #1 Main-Stem
BD #2 Main- Stem
SLH #1 Main Stem
SLH #2 Main-Stem. Remember that this one slip into two halves, TWICE, and I had to patch it up. The string that held it together kinda stayed off for too long, and it was starting to stroke her a bit (I removed it in time, but there are marks)
Thank you for you attention and care,
Today was a pretty positive day putting and developing skills on training plants and my mood was tuned into it.
So I defoiled + Leaf Tucked a bit near the canopy level so I could have those budding spots exposed to light.
I didn't want to do too much defoling on top, as I just did some on the bottom 2 days ago, and I don't want to cause too much stress, so I combo'ed those together.
As a result of that and some more stem positioning I noticed a huge improvement on light penetration and to my eyes light seems to be reaching everywhere just fine.
Upped Big Bud (bloom enhancer) to its 100% dose and added some more Micro and Bloom (0.70:1 ratio). Ended up with E.C. of 2.0
The E.C. had dropped since 2 days ago so they were asking for more food, so I gave it to them.
Pictures:
Blue Dream Area. BD #1 on the left and BD #2 on the right.
SLH area. SLH #1 more to the left and SLH #2 more to the right
Another perspective on the SLH's and a bit of Blue Dream (on the bottom 1/3 of the picture)
Pictures of Stems I didn't go too hard on the defoling yet. I'll do it again within some more days
BD #1 Main-Stem
BD #2 Main- Stem
SLH #1 Main Stem
SLH #2 Main-Stem. Remember that this one slip into two halves, TWICE, and I had to patch it up. The string that held it together kinda stayed off for too long, and it was starting to stroke her a bit (I removed it in time, but there are marks)
Thank you for you attention and care,
CajunCelt
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Yes sir . Nothing wrong with that.
The EC depleting is usually a good sign. 2.0 is right where you want to be at.
You're bulb is crapped out. At the current plants height, a600 w hps should be way brighter. Your plants have never looked happy (fans reaching up),@ least not in the pics. I believe the lighting is why at this point. Now is the time the light needs to be really kicking.
The EC depleting is usually a good sign. 2.0 is right where you want to be at.
You're bulb is crapped out. At the current plants height, a600 w hps should be way brighter. Your plants have never looked happy (fans reaching up),@ least not in the pics. I believe the lighting is why at this point. Now is the time the light needs to be really kicking.
HunterHunt
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You are only one week into the stretch and flower.. I wouldn't have really cut during this time but it looks good. I always do it a week before flowering or around day 25 of flower after the stretch is done. Do you see any buds forming on the tops?
Also how does your roots look? They look a little droopy!
Also how does your roots look? They look a little droopy!
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Groovy Bud
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Droopiness is from me being manipulating them. It's hard to reach the back, and I have to lean towards it. Whenever I come, they are all looking perky.
Roots are looking healthy and big, no issues with them. pH has been stable.
Cajun, you really think that hps is looking weak? The bulb doesn't look burned at all and maybe pictures are a bit deceiving. I'll look into replacing the bulb and check if there is any difference then.
Roots are looking healthy and big, no issues with them. pH has been stable.
Cajun, you really think that hps is looking weak? The bulb doesn't look burned at all and maybe pictures are a bit deceiving. I'll look into replacing the bulb and check if there is any difference then.
HunterHunt
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Hmmm. I agree with you groovy it would be hard to tell if the bulb is bad through pics. But I do agree with cajun on now is when you need the light the most. Im not good at judging that through pictures so i have no input. If funds is possible maybe order a new one for $20 and put it in and compare it in real life? You will need a new bulb anyway. Go ahead and buy it and test it.
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Took the bulb to the shop and noticed that it was aproximately 5800 lumens short (4000 lux over 1,44 m2 area) comparing to the sunmaster bulb I bought (and tested another osram bulb)
So I bought a Super HPS 600w bulb from Sunmaster that is ready for super lumens mode (it was designed for the sunmaster's digital ballast).
I was about to buy an Osram or Philips bulb to compensate for this lousy one but when pulling Sunmaster's testing, it showed a higher Lux output than the Osram, plus it comes ready for super lumens output (probably won't deteorate with Super Lumens as fast as the Osram/Philips) and it was 15 dollars cheaper.
I also took the occasion to purchase Overdrive and Bud Candy, as I had a considerable discount to use by then.
I will take a picture with the new bulb in a bit and post it.
I must thank Cajun for such eye sharpness that detected the luminosity deficiency.
So I bought a Super HPS 600w bulb from Sunmaster that is ready for super lumens mode (it was designed for the sunmaster's digital ballast).
I was about to buy an Osram or Philips bulb to compensate for this lousy one but when pulling Sunmaster's testing, it showed a higher Lux output than the Osram, plus it comes ready for super lumens output (probably won't deteorate with Super Lumens as fast as the Osram/Philips) and it was 15 dollars cheaper.
I also took the occasion to purchase Overdrive and Bud Candy, as I had a considerable discount to use by then.
I will take a picture with the new bulb in a bit and post it.
I must thank Cajun for such eye sharpness that detected the luminosity deficiency.
jojo677
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Hey Groovy, those plants are looking great! It looks like you did a good amount of defol, enough for better air circulation, but little enough that you have a thick canopy. I'm excited to see those buds start filling out, so keep up the good work!
Also Cajun, you have a good eye for lights - that should lead to a better yield/show!
Also Cajun, you have a good eye for lights - that should lead to a better yield/show!
CajunCelt
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Those gals are going to wake up & blow up for you now.
You might hold off pinching anymore bottom/side branches. Maybe wait & see what the new bulb does for them? They might lollipop good for you now.
You might hold off pinching anymore bottom/side branches. Maybe wait & see what the new bulb does for them? They might lollipop good for you now.
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Groovy Bud
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I see a difference in brightness overall. Not that much much better, but a considerable upgrade.
Photos of coming in the tent with new light
Another angle, not including the bulb
As I go out after maintenance (Check the droopiness, it's from me moving around)
Added 25% of Bud Candy nutrient, as it says on the bottle that it's supposed to be used from 1st to 6th week of flowering .
SLH reservoir dropped E.C. to 1.93, so I bumped it to 2.1
BD reservoir dropped just a 0.3, still I bumped into 2.1
Tomorrow will change light placement to cover the stems right in front and on the back of the bulb (they are getting less light). Light is at 17 inches from canopy.
Pre-flowers are looking bigger, and definitely developing into something.
Photos of coming in the tent with new light
Another angle, not including the bulb
As I go out after maintenance (Check the droopiness, it's from me moving around)
Added 25% of Bud Candy nutrient, as it says on the bottle that it's supposed to be used from 1st to 6th week of flowering .
SLH reservoir dropped E.C. to 1.93, so I bumped it to 2.1
BD reservoir dropped just a 0.3, still I bumped into 2.1
Tomorrow will change light placement to cover the stems right in front and on the back of the bulb (they are getting less light). Light is at 17 inches from canopy.
Pre-flowers are looking bigger, and definitely developing into something.
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