GreenGenez Veganic Scrog 1.6k HID/LED 2019

[ChefDGreen]

I’d love to get into the water only LOS game. It just seems so expensive to get going.. that and I have a full gallon of chelates to go through first.

 

[Backlipslide]

Nice set up!

@greenjeans I almost mistaked them for you! Lol

 

[GreenGenez]

I’d love to get into the water only LOS game. It just seems so expensive to get going.. that and I have a full gallon of chelates to go through first.

It's pricey initially but once you get going, it's much cheaper than you'd think. I've been accumulating little by little over the years, but realistically all you really need is some good compost, microbes, molasses and a Coco dominant substrate. I tend to go way overboard with my amendments, and that's pricey. Just cover the NPK and minerals and your golden. As far as water, dechlorinated tap will work just fine.

 

[ChefDGreen]

It's pricey initially but once you get going, it's much cheaper than you'd think. I've been accumulating little by little over the years, but realistically all you really need is some good compost, microbes, molasses and a Coco dominant substrate. I tend to go way overboard with my amendments, and that's pricey. Just cover the NPK and minerals and your golden. As far as water, dechlorinated tap will work just fine.

I’ve been looking into the Clackamas coot nutrient blend that you add to a mix of coco or peat, compost, and perlite. It’s like 25 bucks for the nutes and barley hulls, and is good for about 5cuft of medium. Seems like a good deal.. I’ve also considered the organic dry amendments from dr earth. They seem good as well

 

[GreenGenez]

I’ve been looking into the Clackamas coot nutrient blend that you add to a mix of coco or peat, compost, and perlite. It’s like 25 bucks for the nutes and barley hulls, and is good for about 5cuft of medium. Seems like a good deal.. I’ve also considered the organic dry amendments from dr earth. They seem good as well

The ingredient list is sound. I've never used karanja cake or basalt. I do brew beer and my worms love the sparged malted grains. I also use the trub and yeast layer that settles on the bottom of the primary fermenter in my bokashi bins. The secondary fermenter has alot of yeast that settles out in it and that's what I use to make AACT. Only catch is, there is some ethanol in it, so I collect it into a 1/2 gallon jar and add lacto serum to it full strength. Lacto cleans up any ethanol present and stops any further fermentation. Yeast loves oxygen so it will re-awaken once it hits the AACT bucket.
Yeast is a food source for alot of microbes and is high in nitrogen protein.

I use dr earth also for some things. They're quality amendments and responsibly sourced.

 

[GreenGenez]

Hit the girls with the tea moments ago. Even gave a little to the aloe. Now I got to start defoliation technique

 

[ChefDGreen]

Hey Greengenez. Your last update looked great. How are your girls doing this week?

 

[GreenGenez]

Clones are going a tad slow but due to the fact I didn't reduce my N levels of the donor plants. They've been in the bubble cloner for 5 days now.

Soaked them in very strong aloe water for 2 days when I took them.

Each cutting was then re-cut to size, scraped and shoved into a piece of fresh aloe for 1 day.

Bubble cloner is filled with aloe water. No cloning nutrients or bottled hormones used.





I've been constantly fimming, topping and monster cropping the 3 mother plants. This screen is filling out nicely. Plants are now displaying asymmetrical growth.

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[GreenGenez]

Ahhhhhh yes, the wonders of Aloe Vera.
Vitamins, enzymes, nutrient, polysaccharides, growth hormones and rooting hormones.

Clones are ready to transplant. No wilting, no starvation, no necrosis. Just perfect!!!!

 

[GreenGenez]

Here's a little resource for NPK values if anyone wants to make your own liquid nutrient or for customizing compost or customizing worm castings.

Fertiliser	Nitrogen (n)	Phosphorus (p)	Potassium (k)
Cottonseed Meal	6.6	2 - 3	1 - 2
Ground Fish (Dried)	8.5	7.4	0
Fish, Blood & Bone meal	5	5	6.5
Activated Sewage Sludge	5	3	0
Blood Meal	12	0	0
Rock Phosphate (Ground)	0	26 - 35	0
Bone Meal	3.5	17	0
Chicken Manure (Dried)	5	2	1
Goat Manure (Dried)	1.35	1	3
Sheep Manure (Dried)	1.51 - 3.09	1 - 2.5	0.33 - 2.25
Poultry Litter (Dried)	5	2	1
Alfalfa (Hay)	2.45	0.5	2.1
Tankage	11 - 12	1 - 2	0
Apple (Fruit)	0.05	0.02	0.1
Apple (Leaves)	1	0.15	0.35
Apple (Pomace)	0.2	0.02	0.15
Apple (Skin, Ash)	0	3.08	11.74
Basic Slag	0	18	0
Cana Tree (Ash)	0	0	15.65
Banana Skin (Ash)	0	3.25	41.76
Banana Stalk (Ash)	0	2.34	49.40
Barley (Grain)	1.75	0.75	0.5
Bat Guano	1 - 12	2.5 - 16	0
Beet (Root)	0.25	0.1	0.5
Brewery Grain (Wet)	0.9	0.5	0.05
Brigham Tea (Ash)	0	0	5.94
Bone (Ground, Ash)	Ash)	0	34.7
Silk Mill (By products)	8.37	1.14	0.12
Cantaloupe skin (Melon) (Ash)	0	9.77	12.21
Castor-Bean (Pomace)	5 - 6	2 - 2.5	1 - 1.25
Cattail / Bulrush reed & Stem	2.02	0.81	3.43
Cattail / Bulrush Seed	0.98	0.39	1.71
Coal (Anthracite) (Ash)	0	0.1 - 0.15	0.1 - 0.15
Coal (Bituminous) (Ash)	0	0.4
Cocoa shell (Dust)	1.04	1.49	2.71
Coffee Grounds	2.08	0.32	0.28
Coffee Grounds (Dried)	1.99	0.36	0.67
Corncobs (Ground Charred)	0	0	2.01
Common Crab	1.95	3.6	0.2
Nettles (Stinging European)	5.6	0.7	3.7
Comfrey	1.8	0.5	5.3
Corn (Grain)	1.65	0.65	0.4
Corn (Green Forage)	0.3	0.13	0.33
Cottonseed	3.15	1.25	1.15
Cottonseed - hull ashes	0	7-10	15-30
Cottonseed - hull (Ash)	0	8.7	23.93
Cotton Waste (Factory)	1.32	0.45	0.36
Cowpeas (Green forage)	0.45	0.12	0.45
Black-eyed Peas (Green forage)	0.45	0.12	0.45
Cowpeas (Seed)	3.1	1	1.2
Black-eyed Peas (Seed)	3.1	1	1.2
Crabgrass (Green)	0.66	0.19	0.71
Cucumber (Skin) (Ash)	0	11.28	27.2
Dog Manure	1.97	9.95	0.3
Jellyfish (Dried)	4.6	0	0
Mussel Mud (Dried)	0.72	0.35	0
Duck Manure (Fresh)	1.12	1.44	0.49
Eggs	2.25	0.4	0.15
Eggshell (Burned)	0	0.43	0.29
Eggshell	1.19	0.38	0.14
Feathers	15.3	0	0
Field Bean (Seed)	4	1.2	1.3
Field Bean (Shell)	1.7	0.3	0.35
Smokehouse Ashes	0	0	4.96
Fish Scraps (Fresh)	2 - 7.5	1.5 - 6	0
Mud / Silt (Freshwater)	1.37	0.26	0.22
Greasewood Ashes	0	0	12.61
Beans - Garden Beans & Pods	0.25	0.08	0.3
Gluten feed	4 - 5	0	0
Greensand (Glauconite)	0	1 - 2	5
Grapes (Fruit)	0.15	0.07	0.3
Grapefruit (Skin) (Ash)	0	3.58	30.6
Hair	12 - 16	0	0
Harbour Mud	0.99	0.77	0.05
Hoof & Horn Meal	13	0	0
Incinerator Ash	0.24	5.15	2.33
Kentucky Bluegrass (Green)	0.66	0.19	0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (Hay)	1.2	0.4	1.55
King Crab (Dried - Ground)	10	0.26	0.06
King Crab (Fresh)	2 - 2.5	0	0
Leather (Acidulated)	7 - 8	0	0
Leather (Ground)	10 - 12	0	0
Leather Scraps (Ash)	0	2.16	0.35
Lemon Culls	0.15	0.06	0.26
Lemon Skins (Ash)	0	6.3	31
Limekiln Ash	0	0.75	2
Lobster Scraps	4.5	3.5	0
Lobster Shell	4	3.52	0
Milk	0.5	0.3	0.18
Mussels	0.9	0.12	0.13
Molasses residue (Brewing)	0.7	0	5.32
Oak Leaves	0.8	0.35	0.15
Oats (Grain)	2	0.8	0.6
Olives (Pomace)	1.15	0.78	1.26
Olive Waste	1.22	0.18	0.32
Orange Culls	0.2	0.13	0.21
Orange Skins (Ash)	0	2.9	27
Pea Pods (Ash)	0	1.79	9
Peanuts (Seed or Kernel)	3.6	0.7	0.45
Peanut (Shells)	0.8	0.15	0.5
Peanut (Shell Ash)	0	1.23	6.45
Pigeon Manure (Fresh)	4.19	2.24	1.41
Pigweed (Amaranth)	0.6	0.16	0
Pine needles	0.46	0.12	0.03
Potato (Tuber)	0.35	0.15	0.5
Potato (Leaves / Stalks)	0.6	0.15	0.45
Potato skin (Ash)	0	5.18	27.5
Poudrette (Compost toilet)	1.46	3.68	0.48
Prune Waste	0.18	0.07	0.31
Pumpkin (Flesh)	0.16	0.07	0.26
Pumpkin (Seeds)	0.87	0.5	0.45
Rabbitbrush Ashes	0	0	13.04
Ragweed (Great / Common)	0.76	0.26	0
Red Clover (Hay)	2.1	0.5	2
Redtop (Bentgrass) (Hay)	1.2	0.35	1
Raw Sugar Residue	1.14	8.33	0
Seaweed (Ascophyllum nodosum)	1.9	0.25	3.68
Rose (Flowers)	0.3	0.1	0.4
Rhubarb (Stems)	0.1	0.04	0.35
Sagebrush Ashes	0	0	4.1
salt marsh hay (salt hay grass)	1.1	0.25	0.75
Salt Mud	0.4	0	0
Sardine Scraps	7.97	7.11	0
Sewage Sludge (Filter bed)	0.74	0.83	0.24
Shoddy & Felt	4 - 12	0	0
Shrimp Waste	2.87	9.95	0
Shrimp Meal	6	6	0
Silkworm Cocoons	9.42	1.82	1.08
Chimney Soot	0.5 - 11	1	0.35
Spanish Moss	0.6	0.1	0.55
Starfish	1.8	0.2	0.25
Sunflower Seed	2.25	1.25	0.79
Sweetpotato Skin (Boiled) (Ash)	0	3.29	13.89
Sweetpotato	0.25	0.1	0.5
Tanbark (Ash)	0	0.24	0.38
Tea Leaves (Grounds)	4.15	0.62	0.4
Tea-leaf Ash	0	1.6	0.44
Timothy Hay (Cat's tail)	1.25	0.55	1
Tobacco Leaves	4	0.5	6
Tobacco Stalks	3.7	0.65	4.5
Tobacco Stems	2.5	0.9	7
Tomato (Fruit)	0.2	0.07	0.35
Tomato (Leaves)	0.35	0.1	0.4
Tomato (Stalks)	0.35	0.1	0.5
Rabbit Manure	7	1.7 - 3.1	0
Wheat (Bran)	2.65	2.9	1.6
Wheat (Grain)	2	0.85	0.5
Wheat (Straw)	0.5	0.15	0.6
White Clover (Green)	0.5	0.2	0.3
White Sage (Ash)	0	0	13.77
Wood Ashes (Leached)	0	1 - 1.5	1 - 3
Wood Ashes (Unleached)	0	1 - 2	4 - 10
Wool Waste	5 - 6	2 - 4	1 - 3
Insect Frass	3	2	3

 

[GreenGenez]

Whole extra ripe bananas
Shrimp shells
Mussel shells
Kelp meal
Malted wheat
Malted barley
Lactobacillus casei
Saccharomyces cerevisiae

This is my fermented bloom booster

 

[ChefDGreen]

Wow Genez. You’re the cloning master huh? Beautiful root development

love that organic fert chart. Really good info. Secondary and trace minerals would also be great to know.

 

[GreenGenez]

Wow Genez. You’re the cloning master huh? Beautiful root development

love that organic fert chart. Really good info. Secondary and trace minerals would also be great to know.

Thanks bro, I wouldn't say master, but I'm happy with the timeframe and effort exerted. Didn't pH a dang thing, 0ppm water that sits in reserve is slightly acidic, however becomes alkaline in maturity, due to its purity, it absorbs C02 from the atmosphere. This is a accurate pH reading if nothing is added to the 0ppm water. However, freshly made 0ppm water is acidic. In my case aloe vera, which is a succulent, and highly alkaline, naturally just so happens to even out to 6.2pH. Once o2 is added via diffusion that drops the alkalinity even more. Puts me right on point!!!

I haven't been completely honest. But still never lied on the matter.
Remember when I said I travel for work? Well,....I'm a horticulturist for the bio-Petro industry. I do contract consultations for various farmers. I cant obviously state a claim to name my employer, so please anyone reading, kindly, dont ask.

Cannabis is sooo much easier than the bigDog fertilizer company's want you to know. Understanding the biological process and environmental requirements, the implementation of practice, one can grow any cultivar under the sun. Altitude plays a big role with evolutionary pre disposition, but still with the proper resources and equipment, anything is possible.
I believe in the healing powers of cannabis, that's why I'm here. To help others understand plants as I do, weather medicinal in value or not, the science is always applied.

 

[GreenGenez]

Thanks bro, I wouldn't say master, but I'm happy with the timeframe and effort exerted. Didn't pH a dang thing, 0ppm water that sits in reserve is slightly acidic, however becomes alkaline in maturity, due to its purity, it absorbs C02 from the atmosphere. This is a accurate pH reading if nothing is added to the 0ppm water. However, freshly made 0ppm water is acidic. In my case aloe vera, which is a succulent, and highly alkaline, naturally just so happens to even out to 6.2pH. Once o2 is added via diffusion that drops the alkalinity even more. Puts me right on point!!!

I haven't been completely honest. But still never lied on the matter.
Remember when I said I travel for work? Well,....I'm a horticulturist for the bio-Petro industry. I do contract consultations for various farmers. I cant obviously state a claim to name my employer, so please anyone reading, kindly, dont ask.

Cannabis is sooo much easier than the bigDog fertilizer company's want you to know. Understanding the biological process and environmental requirements, the implementation of practice, one can grow any cultivar under the sun. Altitude plays a big role with evolutionary pre disposition, but still with the proper resources and equipment, anything is possible.
I believe in the healing powers of cannabis, that's why I'm here. To help others understand plants as I do, weather medicinal in value or not, the science is always applied.

love that organic fert chart. Really good info. Secondary and trace minerals would also be great to know.

I wouldn't rely on fermentable/ organic material alone for Trace mineral. In my experience, adding a variety if micronized or granulated naturally occurring aggregate, tilled within the substrate is sufficient. Trace is the key word, and personally... micronized, to me is worth the purchase and 10lbs added to 200 US gallons is more than enough for min 3 cycles. Keeping in mind every thing on the planet requires and subsequently retains trace mineral, the amount contained within the organic is a added bonus to assist in the retention of total trace within the substrate.
In organic farming, weather in containers or open field, we dont excessively leach, just aimy rehydrate to field capacity. This is more easily achieved in a field, but diligently accomplished in containers. Hence my choice for fabric pots and automated irrigation.

 

[ChefDGreen]

Ahhh so you’re a professional. That really makes sense, you sound like a professional when you speak (or type I suppose).
You say micronized is worth the money.. what products are you referring to? Like micronized greensand? Or something else?... also brand names to look out for?

also it’s the freakin truth man. Cannabis is so easy to grow as long as you pay attention to your plants and have everything they’ll need at your disposal.. also the great people around here to help you out.

I’d love to have auto irrigation in my garden. I just don’t know what it’ll cost me

 

[ChefDGreen]

I really wish @GreenGenez would come back. This guys is an awesome gardener!

I hope he’s alright and nothing bad has happened.

 

[GreenGenez]

I really wish @GreenGenez would come back. This guys is an awesome gardener!

I hope he’s alright and nothing bad has happened.

I appreciate that, I've been busy with work and such. I figured harvest is everyone's favorite time so I'd just wait till then. The journal didnt have very many participants, and being a new member I figured I'd show the proof when the time came.

 

[ChefDGreen]

I understand that feeling. I often feel like I’m talking to myself on my own journal. I would say, though, that you really are better off updating regularly. You’ll get people that will come through and catch up, especially if you start to be active on other people’s journals.

speaking of, you should check out my journal again! I brought down my flower tent for a grand total of about 2200g wet. Everything is at different stages of dry, and I’ve got a couple more trays to dry trim. All said and done I should be looking at my first lb of flower.

 

[GreenGenez]

White widow

Girl scout cookies

Chemdawg#4

 

[ChefDGreen]

Damn Genez! You’ve got that nice organic frost going on. Things are looking really good. How much longer you thinkin before they get the chop?

also Is that seedsman’s white widow?