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I've been running across comments in other threads lately, about perpetual grows and how they seem cumbersome and complicated. :hmmmm: To me, it's the way I've always done it. Growing without having a plant near harvest isn't rewarding enough for me - I don't like having months to go before I can sample my work. :cheesygrinsmiley::slide: And I also don't like the idea of trimming a pound of produce at once. :laughtwo: So, to me, a perpetual seems like less work and more reward. :allgood:

How do you set one up? The core is the bloom room, where the magic happens. You can stall the vegging plants a few weeks if you have to, and you can easily control when you start new clones or seeds, but the bloom cycle is fairly inflexible. So, everything sorta pivots around the flip. From the breeder, you know roughly how many weeks a plant will be in bloom, so you know roughly when it will be ready, compared to when you flip it.

Then you need to decide how long you want to veg. Lately, my plants have been getting 7 weeks of veg, but that's where all your flexibility is. I've gone well over 100 days in veg, too. But at 7 weeks, my plants have been trained for 8-10 tops and are about 14 inches tall. They'll usually double in the stretch, giving me manageable 30 inch plants. :cheesygrinsmiley:

So ... for example ... if I have a strain that the breeder says goes 9 weeks in bloom, I'll figure as high as 10 weeks. Then I'll add the 7 weeks of veg and look ahead 17 weeks. That's first harvest window. Now I know when I'll start the plant and when I'll flip it, and when it'll be ready to chop. From there, it's a matter of adding more plants. If I want to harvest a plant each week, and I have another 9 week strain, I'll start it a week later. If I have a 10 week strain, I'll start them at the same time. For me, it's all in the chop window, and counting back from there to the flip. The flip tells me how to manage my veg space. Each time I flip one into bloom, I have an available spot to upcan a vegging plant, which opens up a spot for a seedling or clone to be transplanted into an intermediate pot.

The trick is in keeping enough flexibility to account for problems. Some strains veg more quickly, some clone poorly, some don't sprout. So it can be tough to keep a steady input supply. Likewise, vegging doesn't always go the way you thought it would. But think of the flip as the axis. If you can keep that supplied on a steady basis, the rest of the grow will be fairly easy to manage.

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Thank you. A clear image is starting to appear.

-alright next question, can you check my set up and let me know of any thing you would change?

I would aim for a "chop" every three weeks. So, based on the strain qualities/ plant health/personal preferences that will determine my next seedling or clone start? While the veg plants are able to be prolonged or shortened to maintain the "three week chop cycle"
 
Ya BAR, know what ya mean brotha....Eating my buzz makes me warm and fuzzy which is nice but also makes me tired. I like the instant buzz from joints, nothing else except for a bong toke seems to have the punch that I desire when I par take!Have an awesome day BAR and Gang! Cheers ....gotta get some java...:thumb:

At first I thought "maybe it's the type of cannabis they're using in their edibles" but we go for the same types. All of the brownies I make are what I like to call "Sativa-stuffed" and it's been suggested that perhaps at I gram a slice, maybe somewhat overstuffed. :thedoubletake: I find the edibles high to be my favorite. I understand what you mean Reg, but that moment when you feel it kick in right in the core of your being, my entire being waits for that moment and I thrill for that racy feeling that gets going because I know I'm about to feel normal again.

It quickly became instinctive for me to get an early grip on the body rush and from there it's a sweet sense of clarity and the mind opens up. So I guess I learned to master that Reg, and now that's where normal's been for almost two weeks. I was a bit apprehensive about backing off, but I wanted to at least try to see if I was overdoing it.

Duggan, I find it interesting that you mentioned sleepiness, because it works in reverse for me. I'm more likely to to battle sleepiness when I smoke than when I ingest through edibles. Reg, I think your problem with edibles is they taste so good you always eat one too many. I've read those reports. :laughtwo: Come to think of it Duggan has the same tendency, don't you Bud?

I tried the half dose yesterday and it turns out I had the dose correct after all and it works more effectively if taken in two doses of 1 gram per brownie each. Turns out I do have a higher tolerance than many of you.

I still have a difficult time believing that this sweet little grandmotherly-appearing woman strolling the banks of the Mighty Mon can outdo you big strapping guys that have all been smoking longer than I. Really? Only Reg? Well, well, well. :battingeyelashes:

The little half-dose slice, although effective, wasn't the punch I want to kick-start the day.

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Back to the topic of Graytail's excellent treatise on perpetual gardening, you have me sitting on the floor today with all those papers spread out again thinking about running a perpetual out of the Tiny Closet or a new cabinet once I downgrade. You know how much I love these kinds of organizational puzzles. Having a blast!!! :battingeyelashes:
 
I've been running across comments in other threads lately, about perpetual grows and how they seem cumbersome and complicated. :hmmmm: To me, it's the way I've always done it. Growing without having a plant near harvest isn't rewarding enough for me - I don't like having months to go before I can sample my work. :cheesygrinsmiley::slide: And I also don't like the idea of trimming a pound of produce at once. :laughtwo: So, to me, a perpetual seems like less work and more reward. :allgood:
:Namaste:
 
Ahem ...

Loadie moment. :straightface:

That nice post above where I said I'm vegging for 7 weeks? As it turns out, I'm not. Nope. I'm not vegging for 7 weeks. As near as I can tell, I'm vegging for 70 days? :hmmmm: So ... um ... who knows, eh? :laughtwo:

Make that 10-11 weeks of veg, not 7. From seed, mine get about 3 weeks in their 16oz cups, 4-5 weeks in 1.5 gallon pots and another few weeks of training in their 6 gallon pots before the flip.

:Namaste:
 
That sounds better. I figured you'd catch that. Could have alerted you, huh? Next time I won't hesitate. :battingeyelashes:
 
Ahem ...

Loadie moment. :straightface:

That nice post above where I said I'm vegging for 7 weeks? As it turns out, I'm not. Nope. I'm not vegging for 7 weeks. As near as I can tell, I'm vegging for 70 days? :hmmmm: So ... um ... who knows, eh? :laughtwo:

Make that 10-11 weeks of veg, not 7. From seed, mine get about 3 weeks in their 16oz cups, 4-5 weeks in 1.5 gallon pots and another few weeks of training in their 6 gallon pots before the flip.

:Namaste:
However long you're vegging for it seems to be working for you! You always seem to have such nice ladies in flower.
 
Ahem ...

Loadie moment. :straightface:

That nice post above where I said I'm vegging for 7 weeks? As it turns out, I'm not. Nope. I'm not vegging for 7 weeks. As near as I can tell, I'm vegging for 70 days? :hmmmm: So ... um ... who knows, eh? :laughtwo:

Make that 10-11 weeks of veg, not 7. From seed, mine get about 3 weeks in their 16oz cups, 4-5 weeks in 1.5 gallon pots and another few weeks of training in their 6 gallon pots before the flip.

:Namaste:

Nothing like setting a time-line to screw up the system, right? These weeds can fool you. I try to keep a little extra space in the veg and flower area and end up with empty space, waiting on the girls to veg up. :(
 
Finally few moments to catch up. Nice buds as always. As far as edibles are concerned I haven't eaten one in a while actually, but in the past I was always going with 5 times a dose, and it worked for me. I was flying high... so high :hippy:
 
At first I thought "maybe it's the type of cannabis they're using in their edibles" but we go for the same types. All of the brownies I make are what I like to call "Sativa-stuffed" and it's been suggested that perhaps at I gram a slice, maybe somewhat overstuffed. :thedoubletake: I find the edibles high to be my favorite. I understand what you mean Reg, but that moment when you feel it kick in right in the core of your being, my entire being waits for that moment and I thrill for that racy feeling that gets going because I know I'm about to feel normal again.

It quickly became instinctive for me to get an early grip on the body rush and from there it's a sweet sense of clarity and the mind opens up. So I guess I learned to master that Reg, and now that's where normal's been for almost two weeks. I was a bit apprehensive about backing off, but I wanted to at least try to see if I was overdoing it.

Duggan, I find it interesting that you mentioned sleepiness, because it works in reverse for me. I'm more likely to to battle sleepiness when I smoke than when I ingest through edibles. Reg, I think your problem with edibles is they taste so good you always eat one too many. I've read those reports. :laughtwo: Come to think of it Duggan has the same tendency, don't you Bud?

I tried the half dose yesterday and it turns out I had the dose correct after all and it works more effectively if taken in two doses of 1 gram per brownie each. Turns out I do have a higher tolerance than many of you.

I still have a difficult time believing that this sweet little grandmotherly-appearing woman strolling the banks of the Mighty Mon can outdo you big strapping guys that have all been smoking longer than I. Really? Only Reg? Well, well, well. :battingeyelashes:

The little half-dose slice, although effective, wasn't the punch I want to kick-start the day.

image33897.jpg


Back to the topic of Graytail's excellent treatise on perpetual gardening, you have me sitting on the floor today with all those papers spread out again thinking about running a perpetual out of the Tiny Closet or a new cabinet once I downgrade. You know how much I love these kinds of organizational puzzles. Having a blast!!! :battingeyelashes:

Morning Susan and Gang...ya Sue your correct....I usually eat too many edibles at one time. That's just cuz I'm not used to it taking longer to get a buzz, so I just keep eating...bad , bad , bad boy Duggan....:tokin: Anyhow ,have an awesome day Sue and Gang.
 
Morning Susan and Gang...ya Sue your correct....I usually eat too many edibles at one time. That's just cuz I'm not used to it taking longer to get a buzz, so I just keep eating...bad , bad , bad boy Duggan....:tokin: Anyhow ,have an awesome day Sue and Gang.

I'm usually the same way with the edibles, its either no effect or I eat so many I am asleep for 12 hours or so... :rofl: Haven't been able to find the happy medium yet :/
 
m usually the same way with the edibles, its either no effect or I eat so many I am asleep for 12 hours or so... Haven't been able to find the happy medium yet :rofl:

The happy medium has a booth between the palm reader and the laughing buddha :rofl:


I find a low dose of edibles to be undetectable, and some edibles are slower than others. My Cannacreamer takes 2-3 hours to kick in. My wife feels it in 15 minutes. Either way, it lasts for 3-6 hours.
 
I'm usually the same way with the edibles, its either no effect or I eat so many I am asleep for 12 hours or so... :rofl: Haven't been able to find the happy medium yet :/

Try acid, man. Works better for some people :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
Ok, I think I can finally do a review on Tikal. :cheesygrinsmiley::slide:

I've been putting it off because I really wasn't getting much of an impression from it at all. :straightface: It didn't smell or taste like much and left a bitter ashy sort of aftertaste ... the high was ... fine ... :straightface: ... pretty good potency, but not a standout ... dunno. So I put it aside and have been smoking a lot of Buddha Haze x Blue Blood for the CBD, along with my Carnival and some BH x Destroyer which is pretty good, too. But tonight the tray was empty and I decided to pull out a bud of Tikal ...

Much better! I jarred it 12 days ago, so apparently a little cure was very good for it. :cheesygrinsmiley: The first thing that struck me as I rolled up a little ball of it to stuff in the one-hit bat, was a strong bright lime scent wafting up. :Love: I'm partial to lime in my cannabis. So I brought my fingers to my nose and got some berry in the background along with, I swear, pepper. :hmmmm: There should be some fun terpene expressions as it cures. :yahoo:

I've been adjusting my attitude with BHxBB for the past hour already, so I'm righteously stoned, which makes it harder to judge the high, but it's clearly more punchy than the BHxBB, which is in the low teens percent THC - this Tikal feels mid-teens percent to me. I'll have another pipe.

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I think that bitterness is actually "citrus", a sort of an afterbite to it, sour. And the ashy-coated tongue feeling remains, too. Maybe it comes from the pepper terpenes? The high reminds me of Panama. It's a thick kind of buzz - more contemplative than others. The terps have really improved though. :cheesygrinsmiley:

:bongrip:

Yep, that's lime alright. :Love: Maybe it leans mango. There's something tangy in the berry part. There's a strawberry pheno but this isn't strawberry - might be - it's sorta close with the tangy berry, but the lime overpowers. Hah! I should try a slice of lime with a little dab of strawberry jam and a dash of pepper. - see if that's close. :laughtwo: Anyway, interesting terps on this one.

So, thoroughly toasted tail o' Gray can say that Tikal is well worth growing and smoking. It's another one of the unusual strains, with a character of its own. Like Panama. Ace has one hell of a catalog. :bravo: I'm going to be keeping it at hand for some time, I think. If it were a wine, it'd be an old port, or maybe a single-malt scotch - something you wouldn't have on a regular basis, but you want it in the cupboard for when you do. I'll probably use it to thicken a buzz I already have, or for a time when I'll be active and stimulated. Without stimulation, a guy could veg out smoking this one. :laughtwo:

:Namaste:
 
Finally few moments to catch up. Nice buds as always. As far as edibles are concerned I haven't eaten one in a while actually, but in the past I was always going with 5 times a dose, and it worked for me. I was flying high... so high :hippy:

Well, well. Someone who can keep up with me. :battingeyelashes:
 
Fun smoke-as-you-go review Graytail. My favorite variety, as it stands. Interesting how that short a cure can make such a dramatic difference. I should dig out a piece of that unimpressive African Buzz. It's been over a month now.

I tend to taste test mine about once a week, if I don't need to smoke it because of low stores. I do this mostly because I'm new to the game and I'm still learning the ropes. Do you do that or are you more inclined to jar it and leave it alone after an initial taste? I guess what I'm asking is do you have a minimal time you cure before you begin smoking it? From another direction, are there strains you harvest and know you're going to let them get, say a three month cure before you even touch them, knowing from experience the anticipated improvement? You certainly have the inventory to be that focused on the cure and the experience with some of the strains.
 
Interesting report on the Tikal. As you know I had the Haze pheno, of the 3 phenotypes listed, the haze pheno is of medium potency. I can say that it doesn't lack potency at all. It is also my favorite smoke out of everything I've grown or tried. Everyone that has had it absolutely loves it. I've been holding this back because there are a few people growing it and everyone gets hung up on THC content when deciding what to grow. I am now convinced THC content has very little to do with how buzzed you get or much you like a strain. So here are the labs on the Tikal Haze pheno. I doubt I will remove this strain from my garden for quite some time.
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