Graytail's 3rd: 4x4, HiBrix, Latest LED Tech, Lots Of Light!

[xtrchessreal]

No way to adjust the dosing?

Hashplant is the strongest weed I ever smoked I took three hits quickly and then the guy that was offering it starts telling me this story.
He had fallen off a building while doing some work and landed flat on his back, broke legs, pelvis, arms...etc. Meanwhile I'm practically in a coma(not a real coma), can't move, and listening to this gruesome gory story about pins and screws and several months in a hospital etc. I could barely mumble the words please stop telling the story when my baby noticed something was wrong and sprang into action. I could hear but not move as they brought out this industrial sized 36" fan blowing on me with a wet cloth on my neck. It was like a nightmare to me. The guy is freaking out and wanting to call an ambulance, he he he. As I come out of this state and begin to mumble again he tells me its medical marijuana for pain...I uttered with as much energy as I could at the time like a complete drunk with slurred speech "they should have a big red cross on that stuff with a warning label." I never took another hit of that stuff, but its hard to find from what he told me later. I promote it when people talk about pain. Just prepare to take a nap before you hit it. It will make your limbs tingle and numb, in fact all motor skills are affected - at least with me it was. Of course my love, in the middle of all this, just hits the stuff over and over in front of me while I'm barely functioning lol shes a hard core smoker I was like...uh uh how can you possibly keep hitting that stuff and she just laughs at me with a wry grin and says, "honey I'm a professional ha ha ha." I am bewildered at her level of pot snob lol what a hoot she is. I am such a light weight its ridiculous in comparison.
Anyway, if I was in some serious agony like passing a kidney stone, which also I have done, Hashplant is what I would want if couldn't get any Dilauded.

 

[Conradino23]

BH x BB took after Haze, didn't it?

 

[SweetSue]

Hashplant is the strongest weed I ever smoked I took three hits quickly and then the guy that was offering it starts telling me this story.
He had fallen off a building while doing some work and landed flat on his back, broke legs, pelvis, arms...etc. Meanwhile I'm practically in a coma(not a real coma), can't move, and listening to this gruesome gory story about pins and screws and several months in a hospital etc. I could barely mumble the words please stop telling the story when my baby noticed something was wrong and sprang into action. I could hear but not move as they brought out this industrial sized 36" fan blowing on me with a wet cloth on my neck. It was like a nightmare to me. The guy is freaking out and wanting to call an ambulance, he he he. As I come out of this state and begin to mumble again he tells me its medical marijuana for pain...I uttered with as much energy as I could at the time like a complete drunk with slurred speech "they should have a big red cross on that stuff with a warning label." I never took another hit of that stuff, but its hard to find from what he told me later. I promote it when people talk about pain. Just prepare to take a nap before you hit it. It will make your limbs tingle and numb, in fact all motor skills are affected - at least with me it was. Of course my love, in the middle of all this, just hits the stuff over and over in front of me while I'm barely functioning lol shes a hard core smoker I was like...uh uh how can you possibly keep hitting that stuff and she just laughs at me with a wry grin and says, "honey I'm a professional ha ha ha." I am bewildered at her level of pot snob lol what a hoot she is. I am such a light weight its ridiculous in comparison.
Anyway, if I was in some serious agony like passing a kidney stone, which also I have done, Hashplant is what I would want if couldn't get any Dilauded.

This story had us both in tears.

 

[Graytail]

BH x BB took after Haze, didn't it?

Heheh, should be a challenging one, no? I just noticed today, looking at the pics again, that she's growing 9-bladed fans already.

But I really like the lower branch structure. I think I can make a nice bush out of 'er.

 

[Conradino23]

Looks like good stuff to LST for sure

 

[Duggan]

LOL..i have 11 sativas in a 4x4..
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muwahahahahahahahahahahhahah!

Ziggs....really? 11....what were ya thinken bud? Very brave , indeed!

 

[DrZiggy]

Ziggs....really? 11....what were ya thinken bud? Very brave , indeed!

started with 12..my grow is 3 plants x 4 10 gallon softees..

I'm going to extract the male(s), hermies weds, and when panamas and seeds are done, take them out..the purple hazes and P. malawi are just starting to bloom.

 

[SmokeyMcFly]

started with 12..my grow is 3 plants x 4 10 gallon softees..

I'm going to extract the male(s), hermies weds, and when panamas and seeds are done, take them out..the purple hazes and P. malawi are just starting to bloom.

About how old were they when they first started showing signs of sex, and how long till the pollen was ready? I assume I will have at least one male out of my three panamas and one purple malawi that sprouted and I would like to at least collect the pollen and possibly nock a female or two up when I grow this first batch out

Thanks Zigg!

 

[SmokeyMcFly]

BH x BB took after Haze, didn't it?

Heheh, should be a challenging one, no? I just noticed today, looking at the pics again, that she's growing 9-bladed fans already.

But I really like the lower branch structure. I think I can make a nice bush out of 'er.

Yes she did Looks nothing like my blue blood, should be some interesting stuff

GT when you do your topping do you let the plant grow up first and then chop the top off? I have always done mine around node five or six when they are first growing up and was going to maybe do these ace strains even sooner but now you have me wondering about doing it later

 

[DrZiggy]

About how old were they when they first started showing signs of sex, and how long till the pollen was ready? I assume I will have at least one male out of my three panamas and one purple malawi that sprouted and I would like to at least collect the pollen and possibly nock a female or two up when I grow this first batch out

Thanks Zigg!

the panamas showed around 25-27 days from seed. The lone purple malawi is either a hermie or male..hes been removed from tent.
Panama pollen was ready 2-3 weeks ago. the panamas are from 2/9/15, i believe,so 6,7 weeks for pollen.. Panama blooms early I think it was you that posted flower time?
My Zamaladleicas are blooming nicely. Golden tigers and purple strains are later but lots of flower sites are forming.

 

[CareStaker]

Loving that BHxBB Lush ladies GT.

 

[xtrchessreal]

This story had us both in tears.

Its a good story, very true, every bit of it. I am glad it lifted you and Dale up into laughing tears. It makes me laugh too, every time I remember it.

 

[Graytail]

Yes she did Looks nothing like my blue blood, should be some interesting stuff

GT when you do your topping do you let the plant grow up first and then chop the top off? I have always done mine around node five or six when they are first growing up and was going to maybe do these ace strains even sooner but now you have me wondering about doing it later

I usually LST - I've only topped a half dozen times or so - and I like to wait until about now to start bending. So this is the time I top, too. I've used both methods on smaller plants but I prefer this period, where growth is surging. And unlike a lot of growers who top, I'm looking for more like 8-12 tops instead of just 4 or so. If I top earlier, then I have to do it again at least one more time because there isn't much vigorous undergrowth at that stage. And it's more likely to affect growth when they're young. It's rather horrifying to lop the top 6 inches off a 12-14 inch plant but the plant is in full growth phase at that age and the lower branches really take off. Also consider the rootball. When they're young, they don't have as much root mass to support growth. When I whack off the top at this age, all those roots are available to fuel the lower tops.

 

[SmokeyMcFly]

Makes sense thanks GT. I always end up with two tops that outshoot the rest of the branches by a lot the way I have been doing it. I love the way your plants end up looking

 

[DrZiggy]

GT, how long do you think I should let the Panama-Zamaldelica and who knows what else , seeds be on the plant? Until they start to pop off on their own? Also, how does one go about planting a freshly made seed? Chill it and or let it dry 30 days+? TY

 

[SweetSue]

Its a good story, very true, every bit of it. I am glad it lifted you and Dale up into laughing tears. It makes me laugh too, every time I remember it.

It was good enough I blogged it.

 

[Duggan]

I usually LST - I've only topped a half dozen times or so - and I like to wait until about now to start bending. So this is the time I top, too. I've used both methods on smaller plants but I prefer this period, where growth is surging. And unlike a lot of growers who top, I'm looking for more like 8-12 tops instead of just 4 or so. If I top earlier, then I have to do it again at least one more time because there isn't much vigorous undergrowth at that stage. And it's more likely to affect growth when they're young. It's rather horrifying to lop the top 6 inches off a 12-14 inch plant but the plant is in full growth phase at that age and the lower branches really take off. Also consider the rootball. When they're young, they don't have as much root mass to support growth. When I whack off the top at this age, all those roots are available to fuel the lower tops.

Hey Gray....ya me too....I don't like to top at all....zaps the growth right out of them. I prefer to lst and encourage as many leaders as possible so ya can't really tell which one's the leader.The plant developes into a well managed bush instead of a taller plant with only a few leaders. I usually start off when they're only toddlers ....supercropping to encourage the little side branches. After these get going I just keep training all the tops to stay even across the whole canopy....works great ie, MK Ultra and Mazar's. Good morning btw and have a great day!

 

[Sorenna]

I usually just LST my vegging girls. At some point when they're in vigorous veg mode and have enough branching to work with, I'll bend the top over and fix it in place. This would be a few nodes past the alternate stage. It really depends on the branching pattern of the strain. Then I'll keep bending the highest tops away and down, letting the lower ones get some of the growth hormone so they can catch up. This opens the middle and slows the fast tops. I usually get 12-15 tops and I keep adjusting them daily so they stay equal. It's "gentle" LST, although it really messed with the apical hormones, so it reduces stretch going into bloom. At first I wondered why mine don't stretch worth a crap. When it goes well, I get 3+ oz from a two foot plant, and I can fit 6-7 of them in my 4x4.

The key to my technique is the constant bending of the highest tops. Usually, I just bend the top couple inches down and away in a short arc like a shepherd's hook, but I don't tie them down. The top will recover quickly - in an hour or so - but the apical hormones get redistributed so that the lower branches grow faster. The lower nodes of that branch will also grow faster. Another method is to bend the entire branch away from the plant at the base which will lower it, too. Eventually they're equal and grow at an equal rate until bloom.




Here's a post from my first journal, too ...

As a general rule, I like to watch a complex system and look for the inflection points that will make it more efficient. That philosophy crosses a lot of genres, from process engineering to caring for plants to teaching. So I don't like the idea of heavy defol and mainlining, etc. Instead, I try to simply guide a plant in the direction I want it to go, looking for its own natural tendencies and assisting or resisting them.

I usually end up using LST. Multiple topping seems to inhibit the plants I grow, and simple topping doesn't get me the large canopy I want. So when the youngster is about a foot tall it's been growing alternate nodes for a few cycles, and I look for a place and direction I can bend the top to bring it lower than a group of side branches. Since I've done it so often now, I'll do some small cleanup like clipping off the side branch under the bend as well as that fan. I'll push any tall lower branches into the center of the plant which brings them higher. Sometimes I'll twist the bent top as it grows so each pair of side stems stay on the sides instead of top and bottom - that gets a lot of tops. I'll usually fix that bent top in place and then bend and fiddle with the other side branches several times a day as they grow from the higher allocation of growth hormone they're getting. It's foolproof - the tip that's even slightly above the others will grow fastest. Every time one branch grows taller, I'll bend the top 3 inches or so outward and down into a curl. They recover in a matter of hours, and I do it again and again until they stay there. This will often allow a secondary side branch to reach the same height as its tip, so I get mulitple equal branches from one main one. I like to grow them to about 14 inches over 60 days, and I'll usually end up with 10-15 equal apicals when I flip it. Since the growth hormones are so evenly distributed, I'll usually get less than a double in stretch.

It's low stress, but the natural growth pattern is still seriously diverted, so growth does noticeably slow. But that also makes a nice full canopy with a mature root system, and good yields for such small plants.


Here's a pic that shows my technique fairly well.

I liked this post. I know it is from early in the journal, but I think I might try this technique on my Strawberry Blue. Excellent post!

 

[Graytail]

Hey Gray....ya me too....I don't like to top at all....zaps the growth right out of them. I prefer to lst and encourage as many leaders as possible so ya can't really tell which one's the leader.The plant developes into a well managed bush instead of a taller plant with only a few leaders. I usually start off when they're only toddlers ....supercropping to encourage the little side branches. After these get going I just keep training all the tops to stay even across the whole canopy....works great ie, MK Ultra and Mazar's. Good morning btw and have a great day!

Duggan! I caught that bronchial thing and holy crap is this a nasty one! Man, the fatigue ... ! I'm whipped, tired ALL the time. It's been 4 days already and no sign of a letup yet - keeps getting worse. Argh. So, if I've been quiet, folks, it's because I'm either asleep or have no energy. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

GT, how long do you think I should let the Panama-Zamaldelica and who knows what else , seeds be on the plant? Until they start to pop off on their own? Also, how does one go about planting a freshly made seed? Chill it and or let it dry 30 days+? TY

I don't recall what the official ripening time is, but I've gotten mature seeds in 3 weeks, easy. Sometimes you can pluck a likely calyx or two, peel it open, and see how developed its seed is. In my experience, you don't have to do anything special before planting a fresh seed. I just pop one straight into soil and the fresh ones will usually sprout in 2 days.

I liked this post. I know it is from early in the journal, but I think I might try this technique on my Strawberry Blue. Excellent post!

It's really intuitive once you start fiddling with 'em.

 

[SweetSue]

Be well Greytail. I had that, and was thankful to survive. Fluids. Rest.