Grandpa Likes To Squeeze Stuff: Solventless Extracts, Rosin, Pressed Here!

[Lowrider72]

The Naked Pucker Returns....

Lets get Puck in....

2 x 2.5-3g naked pucks
Silicon sheet (small) cut in half.
Puck press at 100C for 360 seconds.



Put Puck in Puck Press, Press Puck, wait, wait, wait......Rosin..... Easy...

Collection from sheet is easy but it is like full shatter, and can flick away easy, good way to lose return.
5g returned just under .8g.... Not bad but prefer Naked Puck in Puck Parchment Packs....Pucktastic!

More squishing to come..Rosin On!

pucin good peek..

Naked pucking, pressed....hard....

Puck squished Goodness...G13....mmm

Very sticky....

 

[Grandpa Tokin]

Maybe you all are already doing this but I have to ask...Why not stack up 10 or 15 of the wafers & give em another press before stripping with ETOH? Seems like it would be worthwhile.

It’s certainly worth it if you want/need the little extra squish. Me personally, I’m good with one squeeze and let the alcohol do the rest. Probably because I’m lucky enough to be able to grow an abundance of good weed. If I was buying weed—like in the old days—then I’m sure my perspective would be different.

 

[falstaffo]

gramps i have a question, not sure if you would know, about the different extractions methods and the medicinal efficacy of each, and wondered if a pure solventless extract (Rosin) when decarbed and taken like rso would work the same, but being solventless, cleaner still..?

 

[gr865]

I just made a batch of gummy's using FECO/CCO, alcohol extracted. 44 mg/candy
Then I made a batch of hard candies using decarbed Rosin, 45 mg/candy
I am seeing no difference in the strength of the two candies, in my testing.
I cannot see why there would be a difference between FECO and Rosin as far as the medical effects.

 

[Grandpa Tokin]

gramps i have a question, not sure if you would know, about the different extractions methods and the medicinal efficacy of each, and wondered if a pure solventless extract (Rosin) when decarbed and taken like rso would work the same, but being solventless, cleaner still..?

Very good question and discussion; one I’ve contemplated many times myself. I’m not a scientist nor medical professional, but I do think that our solventless solution has to be a little “better” since we’re just applying heat and pressure and there’s nothing to evaporate off. At least that’s what I tell myself. However, I make sure the alcohol has completely evaporated. So, in reality it’s ‘clean’ too. Right? It’s a different ‘clean’ though. What I mean is there may be lipids and fats and “stuff” that are in the Rosin but not in the alcohol extract because the alcohol may dissolve things or they get evaporated with the alcohol or whatever. The composition of the final product is probably very different from rosin. BUT...I’m guessing.

I should have both methods tested professionally, but I’m lazy. They both work for me so I’m not worried about it. I don’t notice any difference as far as effects of the final product are concerned and that’s what it’s all about.

Obviously there’s major differences in the extraction methods. I haven’t heard of anyone catching on fire because they were pressing rosin. Alcohol and butane are volatile and will blow yo ass up. ...and, not in a good way.

I like my Rosin.

PS. Decarbed Rosin works for me. I took 2 capsules this morning and I’m doing well...oh look...a shiny object...

 

[gr865]

36 hours soaking in a very lite solution of CaliMagic/Epsom and Rapid Roots
Tuesday 7/30 7:00 PM

8/01 1:00 PM

Yesterday 8/1 1:45 PM

Around 9 AM this morning 7/2, they have started popping. 10 of 13 so far.

Fastest seed to sprout I have ever had, damn hope this is a good sign!

 

[falstaffo]

its what i suspected tbh, what both you guys are saying, makes sense that fresh outta the bud juice would be comparible in both medicinal and recreational applications through ingestion as other extracions methods, i dont see why it couldnt be better..

do you know what yield comparison is between rosin and feco/cco gram for gram, would you see the same returns? taking out any carrier or bonding elements?

 

[falstaffo]

i guess its a kinda silly question actually; return from squishing vs other methods, as you go and extract the leftovers with alcohol anyway? lol so perhaps not the most ‘efficient’ method?

 

[Old Salt]

i guess its a kinda silly question actually; return from squishing vs other methods, as you go and extract the leftovers with alcohol anyway? lol so perhaps not the most ‘efficient’ method?

Squishing may or may not be the most efficient methods of extraction, but it keeps alcohol away from me. Other than that...

High proof alcohol is not available in my area. The cost of equipment to make it, and safely recover the alcohol from extractions is roughly the same as my rosin press. I suspect the yields are close as the puck is highly compressed, and the FECO leaves loose vegetative matter covered with the alcohol/FECO mix. Someone would need to try it to be sure, but that's my guess.

 

[Grandpa Tokin]

its what i suspected tbh, what both you guys are saying, makes sense that fresh outta the bud juice would be comparible in both medicinal and recreational applications through ingestion as other extracions methods, i dont see why it couldnt be better..

do you know what yield comparison is between rosin and feco/cco gram for gram, would you see the same returns? taking out any carrier or bonding elements?

i guess its a kinda silly question actually; return from squishing vs other methods, as you go and extract the leftovers with alcohol anyway? lol so perhaps not the most ‘efficient’ method?

Squishing may or may not be the most efficient methods of extraction, but it keeps alcohol away from me. Other than that...

High proof alcohol is not available in my area. The cost of equipment to make it, and safely recover the alcohol from extractions is roughly the same as my rosin press. I suspect the yields are close as the puck is highly compressed, and the FECO leaves loose vegetative matter covered with the alcohol/FECO mix. Someone would need to try it to be sure, but that's my guess.

I’m still convinced that pressing is “better” (at least to me) because it’s still all the natural oils of the fruit that can be delivered through heat and pressure. Solvents are harsh and are working by dissolving. The problem is, there’s always a chance of the solvent being consumed. I don’t like that idea.

Squishing may not be the most efficient, but I’m okay with that. I have enough raw material to squish. So I’m happy. If I run out of rosin I simply squish more. If I run out of raw material then I grow more. Vicious cycle thingy.

 

[falstaffo]

well im pretty sold, and was already, been musing over this all day really,
woke up this morning to a video posted in a weed group im in of a lady who had breast cancer among other things, but had beaten it with oil, two videos i found made public on her profile, one in april one last week, difference was night and day.

then i find out a while later a friend of mine, his mum found out while he was on holiday she had stage 4 (cant remember where he said) but she had been advised straighh chemo... as they do, try and kill em off quick whilst making a quick wedge, as ya do... erm..

so me and another friend were telling him get her on some rso, which the other friend has got some arranged already for rhis weekend pickup to give her to try.
so, now

i literally am itching for my delivery lol
because maybe, if its viable for such things, just some simple presses, decarbed and put into some capsules.. maybe.. just maybe? or am i simplifying something a little more complicated than that? lol
i cant do alcohol or butane related shiz myself where i am, extremely negligent if i were to try and dangerous lol im a stoner, not a scientist, so fhic oils, butters and i guess pressed juice will be my go to’s lol
tried a fhic oil in evoo, first time using a pressure cooker, first time making anything: put just not enough water and the smallest amount burnt to the bottom before i caught it but was too late lol

shouldnt be able to mess this up i hope

 

[Old Salt]

well im pretty sold, and was already, been musing over this all day really,
woke up this morning to a video posted in a weed group im in of a lady who had breast cancer among other things, but had beaten it with oil, two videos i found made public on her profile, one in april one last week, difference was night and day.

then i find out a while later a friend of mine, his mum found out while he was on holiday she had stage 4 (cant remember where he said) but she had been advised straighh chemo... as they do, try and kill em off quick whilst making a quick wedge, as ya do... erm..

so me and another friend were telling him get her on some rso, which the other friend has got some arranged already for rhis weekend pickup to give her to try.
so, now

i literally am itching for my delivery lol
because maybe, if its viable for such things, just some simple presses, decarbed and put into some capsules.. maybe.. just maybe? or am i simplifying something a little more complicated than that? lol
i cant do alcohol or butane related shiz myself where i am, extremely negligent if i were to try and dangerous lol im a stoner, not a scientist, so fhic oils, butters and i guess pressed juice will be my go to’s lol
tried a fhic oil in evoo, first time using a pressure cooker, first time making anything: put just not enough water and the smallest amount burnt to the bottom before i caught it but was too late lol

shouldnt be able to mess this up i hope

I'd have to check the movies again, but if I remember correctly RSO can be taken orally on something like a piece of bread, or applied to the gums. Reading through some of the information in these forums, showed that suppositories can also be used. RSO can also be applied directly to open lesions or sores for skin cancers. The dosage is high, about 2gm per day once you get acclimatized to it. Rick mentioned using a pound of flower converted to RSO in sixty days. At a 20% return, that's 90gms of rosin! I suggest the book CBD, A Patients Guide to Medical Cannabis by Juliana Birnbaum an Leonard Lieno as good reading material by cannabis friendly medical doctors.

I think the capsules are a great idea!

 

[falstaffo]

a pound is 16ounces right. every 60 days. thats a fair amount of flower lol
so 90g from a pound, if at 2g per day or 1pound over 60, can i assume the rso method brings a return of around 120g oil compared to the 90g rosin?

90g of rosin over 60 days would equate to 1.5g per day, plus you gotta make make sure you are hitting your 20% returns.

 

[falstaffo]

a quick search in one of sues threads i gathered this

qwet 13–14%
scet 17-19%
and then there is a 39% rso method... but states its a hot extraction and comes with plant waxes and chlorophyll ...
is it a true 39% then lol

 

[Grandpa Tokin]

39% what? THC? I’m pretty sure my Rosin is much higher than 39%.

 

[falstaffo]

39% what? THC? I’m pretty sure my Rosin is much higher than 39%.

no i think it was oil/flower ratio so not the content but the return. but yeah its ‘contaminated’ with plant wax and chlorophyll as well.
doesnt mention the thc content

39% extraction yield RSO

Please bear with the "exciting" commentary; English is my 2nd language and besides my terrible motor skills my tumor has given me a slight speech impediment and I tend to slur some words. This is a hot extraction so you will get plant waxes and chlorophyll. Since posting links is frowned upon...

www.420magazine.com

 

[Lowrider72]

Chips ahoy, bare bud Squish chips, will be ground to add to bud to cure... Toostickitocutupbuditis... A common cmh grower ailment....cough...cough....

The Naked Pucker......

 

[Old Salt]

a pound is 16ounces right. every 60 days. thats a fair amount of flower lol
so 90g from a pound, if at 2g per day or 1pound over 60, can i assume the rso method brings a return of around 120g oil compared to the 90g rosin?

90g of rosin over 60 days would equate to 1.5g per day, plus you gotta make make sure you are hitting your 20% returns.

No, if you check the movie "Run from the Cure," you'll see there's an acclimation period. You start slow, at a quarter dose or less, and increase as the patient can accept it. I think that when the alcohol was evaporated, and the RSO fully de-carbed, the final volume was around 60ml. I don't know what that translates to in weight.

Rick specified that a 'high THC indica' should be used as the source material.

CBD, A Patients Guide to Medical Cannabis says "Using cannabis as a therapy to reduce cancer activity and tumor size does require high doses of cannabis medicine. THC is very effective in shrinking the tumor size, and CBD is very effective in stopping the proliferation of new cancer cells. While both THC and CBD are effective anti-cancer agents, the combination of CBD and THC together has exhibited even greater efficacy for healing. There is a true synergistic relationship between CBD and THC; the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. There is evidence that a combination of the various cannabinoids and terpenes found in products derived from the whole plant is the most effective approach..."

and "Dosage for advanced cancer is generally in the macro dose range, with a suggested range of 200 mg to 2,000 g of total cannabinoids per day. The most commonly suggested ratio of CBD to THC is 1:1. However, at the macro dose level, patients often have difficulty tolerating medication with the higher amount of THC. At the beginning stages of taking macro doses, most are not able to tolerate more than 20–30 mg THC from an oral application. Over a four-to-six-week period, patients are able to increase their tolerance level and become acclimated to high doses."

I think that 2,000 g is a misprint, and should be 2,000mg or 2g. At the clinic where the regimes were developed, they mix the extracts from various strains to get the cannabinoid mix they wanted.

At this point, I would get the patient involved. It's her life. Ask her to watch "Run from the Cure," and read "CBD, A Patients Guide to Medical Cannabis."

My father, both grandfathers, maternal grandmother, and at least two of my uncles died of cancer. A personal goal is to have the rosin for a complete course of treatment in my freezer. That to me will be the rosin from a pound of at least two strains, one high THC, the other high CBD. This will let me react instantly, rather than having to grow out a strain first.

Something to consider adding to the treatment is Essiac. It's an old North American herbal treatment for cancer. My father tried it without success, but I've read it has helped others.

 

[Kicknitup1]

a quick search in one of sues threads i gathered this

qwet 13–14%
scet 17-19%
and then there is a 39% rso method... but states its a hot extraction and comes with plant waxes and chlorophyll ...
is it a true 39% then lol

What exactly are those numbers & what is the source?

 

[falstaffo]

What exactly are those numbers & what is the source?

Improved yield RSO

Most people out there do the QWET or Quick Wash Ethanol method which yields about 3-4 grams of oil per ounce or around 13% to 14% extraction yield. The total cannabinoid content of an ounce is about 5-5.5 grams of oil, anything above that is just chlorophyll and plant waxes. The "SCET" method...

www.420magazine.com

i was searching for rso yields, oil return from grams of flower.