Got My Feet Wet Now It's Time To Dive In

[GracesGarden]

I just gave my opinion on the very same subject in Grace's journal. I first find out the strains expected stretch first. Think you are much more scientific than I am.

OMM's great advice has also been added to my blog, excellent experienced grower and lots of insite, not to mention, he's a brainyack/you know Big Brain smart/

Looks like rain is on it's way to us, storms hopefully, I love a great thunderstorm in the afternoon, the dogs do not/grace

 

[OldMedMan]

 

[Closet Farmer]

Mind if I rant? I know some of you have see this one before, but I feel that it warrants a re-post.

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One thing people seem to FAIL to recognize, and often quote the opposite, is one simple fact.

Plants are ENCOURAGED to grow taller/bigger/stronger when damage occurs. Most people say that this stresses the plant and therefore is bad. OF COURSE IT DOES!! THAT'S THE POINT!! But stress is not always a bad thing.

Placing a fan in your grow stresses a plant and makes stronger stems, even though most people only do it to get good air circulation. The biggest reason most people forget (or don't know) is that blowing around in the wind is what CAUSES the big strong stems that hold up those huge colas.

When you snip/clip/prune/defoliate ANY plant, the plant responds by growing new stronger growth. It's a survival response. Anyone ever heard of TRUNK PIERCING?! I used to do it all the time in my larger grows. it causes very hearty growth in the veg stage because the plant believes it is constantly under attack and therefore grows stronger and stronger. When leaves are pulled, in order to survive, the plant grows more to replace what was lost. If this did not happen, eventually the same stressor, repeated would strip the plant completely and it would die. The general response, when lateral growth is removed, vertical growth is the response. I believe to possibly get above whatever has been biting on the sides.

Think of it like this. A deer comes along and munches the sides of a plant. The plant responds by growing taller, and adding weight to stems, and putting out more leaves/growth higher up. Eventually the deer would not be able to reach the vegetation it is after and wanders off in search of something else, thus the plant survives.

Adversely, when we top a plant, it responds by growing more girth and almost doubles it's lateral growth. In the deer scenario, eventually the deer will not be able to reach the inside of the plant where there is green, and the plant survives, and then can grow taller.

I know a lot of you are thinking, "A plant doesn't just make a decision to grow a certain way," and you'd be right: There is no thinking about it. But hormonal differences in plant tips, and stems, and trunks, are what causes this, and thus the response is the same. do you make a decision to scar over when you are cut? Poor example of course, but it does sort of prove my point here. Cells do what they're told to do by the circumstances they are presented. Cause and effect. When you work out, are you not sore the day after? Do you not grow stronger because of the torn muscle tissue regowing and increasing to withstand that stress later? Repeated stress of this sort can cause a dramatic change in muscle tone and bulk and strength of the tissue. The same thing can be observed in plants. Supercropping, for example...

Awesome information Jandre!! Really is great!! There is a little debate going on about this subject on different journals and you are the top defolator person and James the Green is the top non defolator!! It would be great to get you two guys together in a debate. I have been a big defolator believer like you. JTG has some really good points on why not to defolate and he is making me have second thoughts!!

 

[donpaul.p]

here is my 2cents worth, i have tried both the taking of leaves and not taking leaves, i was told to remove leaves so far into flower, but when i did this i found that the leaves in the buds get bigger and you end up with leafy bud, i would only remove leaves in veg now due to this, i tie as much out the way and any leaves not getting light turn yellow and die so they are removed, the only other leaves i remove are ones blocking light getting to bud sites, but when i flip to flower i try and keep the leaf thats their as this stops the bud leaves getting bigger.

i also found this when i harvested a plant in stages, i harvested my auto the 1st time and removed the buds that was ready and left the smaller buds, then the smaller buds got bigger and the plant forced the bud leaves to get bigger, this did give me bigger buds how ever, so when them buds where big and ready i then harvested and left the tiny little buds and now their wasnt much leaf, but i put it back under the lights and it grew these small buds and they got bigger and sprouted leaves, so now im just waiting till these buds are ready then ill harvest for the last time, im doing this with an auto and its worked out great, i could of used the small buds as scraps for hash, but i found putting it back under the lights made the buds big enough to make them worth using to smoke, so i done that twice and all buds are worth keeping, so ill see what i get 3rd time round, 1st harvest i got just over 20g dry, 2nd harvest i got 15g dry, and 3rd harvest im looking at about 3.5g dry but ill know more when i harvest it.

 

[GracesGarden]

Mr. Fish, how goes it today? Feeling ok? how's the garden growing now? Is your yellowing problem better yet?/grace

 

[GracesGarden]

here is my 2cents worth, i have tried both the taking of leaves and not taking leaves, i was told to remove leaves so far into flower, but when i did this i found that the leaves in the buds get bigger and you end up with leafy bud, i would only remove leaves in veg now due to this, i tie as much out the way and any leaves not getting light turn yellow and die so they are removed, the only other leaves i remove are ones blocking light getting to bud sites, but when i flip to flower i try and keep the leaf thats their as this stops the bud leaves getting bigger.

i also found this when i harvested a plant in stages, i harvested my auto the 1st time and removed the buds that was ready and left the smaller buds, then the smaller buds got bigger and the plant forced the bud leaves to get bigger, this did give me bigger buds how ever, so when them buds where big and ready i then harvested and left the tiny little buds and now their wasnt much leaf, but i put it back under the lights and it grew these small buds and they got bigger and sprouted leaves, so now im just waiting till these buds are ready then ill harvest for the last time, im doing this with an auto and its worked out great, i could of used the small buds as scraps for hash, but i found putting it back under the lights made the buds big enough to make them worth using to smoke, so i done that twice and all buds are worth keeping, so ill see what i get 3rd time round, 1st harvest i got just over 20g dry, 2nd harvest i got 15g dry, and 3rd harvest im looking at about 3.5g dry but ill know more when i harvest it.

I am doing the same thing, but I've only placed back one time as of now, but the buds are getting larger, and the stems are stretching again, good to know to throw back in again after 2nd harvest. Will keep track of weights as well. After all buds are harvested these little ladies are going to reveg for some clones if possible. and the grow continues/grace

 

[fish cake]

Mr. Fish, how goes it today? Feeling ok? how's the garden growing now? Is your yellowing problem better yet?/grace

HI GRACIE, things in the grow room are going FINE
just dumped $100 at the vets my littlest one had something rong with her eye so this wont get censored she scratched it with a leaf from my MJ plant.
are you getting rain yet? hope it gets here soon

 

[GracesGarden]

We're due to get thunderstorms this afternoon, I hope they bring alot of water, how about you, any rain yet? Poor baby, those mj leaf cuts can be dangerous/grace

 

[fish cake]

We're due to get thunderstorms this afternoon, I hope they bring alot of water, how about you, any rain yet? Poor baby, those mj leaf cuts can be dangerous/grace

it stormed here last night and its muggy as hell here now!
my veggies could sure use the rain! dont care to much if the grass gets it, I dont want to mowLOL

 

[donpaul.p]

vets bills are crazy prices now, i dread taking my staff their, even worse when he gets a mj leaf in his eye,lol, but i would not let my staff suffer so he goes to the vets if he has any problems, but so far so good, it costs way to much but if we didnt have the vets then the pets would suffer so we have to pay them prices,

from now on ill be harvesting my plants in stages, i never did this before and just chucked all the small popcorn type buds into my scrap pile for hash, but as i loved this bud off my auto that much i decided to give it a try and after i had harvested the 1st time i was left with tiny buds, so i decided to put it back under the lights, then the plant made them buds the top buds and they grew bigger and fatter, so when i harvested again i was left with some tiny buds so back under lights and now they are getting big again, its well worth doing if you have got the room, im doing it with an auto but not tried it with regular plant yet, could be a problem with the light though just depends if i am in flower or veg, but it could be moved to keep it at 12-12, id say it is well worth doing, them tiny buds soon get big when they become the main buds on the plant, id say within a week i had turned say 2g of scrap into 15g of dry bud, so thats what im doing from now on

 

[GracesGarden]

Sounds like an excellent idea, I will also be doing the same, I just put them back in with my clones, and let them do what they want to do./ I wonder how long this could go on? Sounds like an experiment/grace

 

[fish cake]

vets bills are crazy prices now, i dread taking my staff their, even worse when he gets a mj leaf in his eye,lol, but i would not let my staff suffer so he goes to the vets if he has any problems, but so far so good, it costs way to much but if we didnt have the vets then the pets would suffer so we have to pay them prices,

from now on ill be harvesting my plants in stages, i never did this before and just chucked all the small popcorn type buds into my scrap pile for hash, but as i loved this bud off my auto that much i decided to give it a try and after i had harvested the 1st time i was left with tiny buds, so i decided to put it back under the lights, then the plant made them buds the top buds and they grew bigger and fatter, so when i harvested again i was left with some tiny buds so back under lights and now they are getting big again, its well worth doing if you have got the room, im doing it with an auto but not tried it with regular plant yet, could be a problem with the light though just depends if i am in flower or veg, but it could be moved to keep it at 12-12, id say it is well worth doing, them tiny buds soon get big when they become the main buds on the plant, id say within a week i had turned say 2g of scrap into 15g of dry bud, so thats what im doing from now on

have you checked out the thread 42yearold bag seed? he says that he has a plant that 4or5 years on,he just keeps deadheading it and then lets it grow more bud.

 

[donpaul.p]

no not seen that one, if you come across the link to the journal give me a shout and ill check it out, does he re-veg it after harvesting or are you saying its a constant harvest, because i have noticed a lot of new growth on this auto, when i had a close look at the plant last night i have noticed small new branches growing and small tiny new leaves growing at nodes that wasnt their before, it seems by me cutting the top of the plant off and letting the branches below become the top of the plant, this has then let the lower branches grow again, im not planning on doing it after this last harvest, unless the new growth starts growing some buds, if it does then ill leave it as long as i can and keep going, the weird thing is though that when i harvested the first time some of the leaves had turned yellow and was dying, but after the harvest the leaves have gone back to green and seem to be growing again, so not sure whats going on, its still under 24-0 so ill see what happens.

i have thought about a re-veg of the plants, but does re-veg mean monster cropping or am i better of taking clones well into flower, if i can get the same results by doing a re-veg then i could harvest a none auto plant and put it back under lights after harvest and a good trim of the branches, its something i am going to try this time, i need to compare the results with monster cropping, if its the same results then i could just re-veg the plants and grow like that if i like the strain and want to keep it

 

[fish cake]

no not seen that one, if you come across the link to the journal give me a shout and ill check it out, does he re-veg it after harvesting or are you saying its a constant harvest, because i have noticed a lot of new growth on this auto, when i had a close look at the plant last night i have noticed small new branches growing and small tiny new leaves growing at nodes that wasnt their before, it seems by me cutting the top of the plant off and letting the branches below become the top of the plant, this has then let the lower branches grow again, im not planning on doing it after this last harvest, unless the new growth starts growing some buds, if it does then ill leave it as long as i can and keep going, the weird thing is though that when i harvested the first time some of the leaves had turned yellow and was dying, but after the harvest the leaves have gone back to green and seem to be growing again, so not sure whats going on, its still under 24-0 so ill see what happens.

i have thought about a re-veg of the plants, but does re-veg mean monster cropping or am i better of taking clones well into flower, if i can get the same results by doing a re-veg then i could harvest a none auto plant and put it back under lights after harvest and a good trim of the branches, its something i am going to try this time, i need to compare the results with monster cropping, if its the same results then i could just re-veg the plants and grow like that if i like the strain and want to keep it

he has a journal going and he takes the buds as they grow, cant post links cause idk how and please dont try to teach me but if you have a look in the jourals in progress its in there

 

[donpaul.p]

k cool, no probs, ill go and have a look, sounds interesting

 

[GracesGarden]

Good info Mr. Fish, I'll go and search for this miracle grow too/grace/thankyou

 

[donpaul.p]

cant find the journal, is it in current journals, ill keep looking and see if i can find it, i have a few questions id like to ask after what i seen this auto do after each harvest,

 

[jandre2k3]

here is my 2cents worth, i have tried both the taking of leaves and not taking leaves, i was told to remove leaves so far into flower, but when i did this i found that the leaves in the buds get bigger and you end up with leafy bud, i would only remove leaves in veg now due to this, i tie as much out the way and any leaves not getting light turn yellow and die so they are removed, the only other leaves i remove are ones blocking light getting to bud sites, but when i flip to flower i try and keep the leaf thats their as this stops the bud leaves getting bigger.

i also found this when i harvested a plant in stages, i harvested my auto the 1st time and removed the buds that was ready and left the smaller buds, then the smaller buds got bigger and the plant forced the bud leaves to get bigger, this did give me bigger buds how ever, so when them buds where big and ready i then harvested and left the tiny little buds and now their wasnt much leaf, but i put it back under the lights and it grew these small buds and they got bigger and sprouted leaves, so now im just waiting till these buds are ready then ill harvest for the last time, im doing this with an auto and its worked out great, i could of used the small buds as scraps for hash, but i found putting it back under the lights made the buds big enough to make them worth using to smoke, so i done that twice and all buds are worth keeping, so ill see what i get 3rd time round, 1st harvest i got just over 20g dry, 2nd harvest i got 15g dry, and 3rd harvest im looking at about 3.5g dry but ill know more when i harvest it.

Bigger sugar leaves mean more trim to cook with/make into hash, which ultimately adds to the overall harvest. I'd rather have more sugar leaf than useless fans in the trashcan.

 

[GracesGarden]

Mr. fish, Mr. fish, are you getting that torrential downpour I'm getting right now, it looks like a hurrican just came in the room, going out to the porch to see, I hope we don't get flooded/Miss Grace

 

[QueenTokelove]

I have seen that journal about the 45 yr old bag seed today. I think it is still under current journals but I don't want to post it here without OMM's permission.