For all who want a card but

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Hello,
I thought I had posted to this topic, but it seems to not be here so I am going to try again. I am currently a resident in the State of Michigan, which as passed its Medical Marijuana Card program. Basically, in a paraphrased nutshell, the law allows a doctor to "recommend that the patient has an illness that could be benefited by the use of cannabis" . There is a list of qualifying illnesses and conditions that are "approved to utilize Marijuana has a part of their treatment"

That being said, I am currently a 22 yr Survivor of AIDS, my T-cell count has been below 200 for over 20 yrs. I also have Advanced Peripheral Neuropothay, a disorder that has caused the Mylar sheeting that covers nerve endings is dieing/dissolving. It cause the nerve endings to register a constant burning pain, that is accompanied by waves of severe pain that can last anyway from a few minutes to several hours.

I have been on Opiate pain management for the past 15yrs and a recent EMG showed a <90% loss of sensory nerve conduction and a <40% loss of my motor nerves in my legs. Currently I can walk with arm brace crutches, but I use an electric wheelchair when I have to travel more than teh length of the sidewalk to the car.

Another issue that I have been dealing with is nausea and weight loss. At 6'6" I currently weigh 183lbs, a weight that I maintain with the use of Human Growth Hormone IM and Topical Androgel.

For years I have taken a medication called Marinal/Drobinal, synthetic THC, taken to combat nausea and to stimulate appetite.

As you can see above I have several "qualifying illnesses" that are listed has candidates for the MM program. I started by approaching both my Primary Care Doctor and my HIV Specialist about the usage of MM for me. I did research and presented my case to them both and they were supportive and both thought that it would be something that I would possibly benefit from the use of. They both said that they would talk to their Partners/Employers in order to get approval to write the recommendation for me.

My Primary Doc called me latter that day and said that she was sorry, but here managing partner would not allow his office to become known as a group of drug dealers. This from a doctor that had been writing a Rx for 100 mg of time release MsContin 3 times a day and 15 mg instant release Mscontin per day for over 6 yrs. I can understand the trepidation of a small town doctor becoming involved in something that is legal only on the State level.

However when my HIV Specialist called me and told me that the State Health Department has forbidden their Doctors from making the recommendations for anyone regardless of the reason. I was blown away by this, because you would think that a state funded medical agency would be able to utilize the MM program, especially for a patient that had been receiving treatment by them for several of the qualifying illnesses for many years prior to the law being passed.

I contacted my Case Manager and she forwarded my paperwork to one of the MM recommending clinics. They called me about a month or so after receiving my medical records. The man I spoke with was very nice and reassuring that my records were in order and that the Doctor just needed to do a brief physical examination and I would be able to receive his recommendation. The problem was that I was up North in the boonies and their offices were in the Detroit area. Quickly I was informed that on several occasions throughout the year he holds clinics in towns around the state and that they would be contacting me to schedule an appointment. I waited about 2 months and called to check the status of upcoming clinics. They told me that there was going to be one the following week about 60 miles from me and the next weekend they would be seeing potential patients around 120 miles away. I asked for an appointment for the clinic 60 miles away and was put on hold. When they came back on the line I was informed that the clinic was full and that they had no more spaces available. That was the last I heard from them and it is almost 4 months since that call.

I nearly gave up the idea of pursuing this line of treatment when an opportunity to move to Lansing, the State capital. Surely I would be able to get a recommendation here but when I approached my new Dr about it he said that they too were not allowed to even accept the paperwork required to be filled out. I did some more checking and all I have been able to come up with is another clinic that charges $220 to write the recommendation.

I currently receive a little less than $800 per month on a Social Security Disability income. After normal living expenses I have very little left over for gas to drive my car right now, not to mention no clue of a way how I am gonna get the money to pay the clinics fee.

This is where I get to the point of my rambling. My insurance currently covers me to see has many Doctors as necessary for my continued treatment. I have no problem getting very expensive tests covered and my current Medical summaries state that they pay in excess of $65,000 for all of the medication I take a month (yes that's right I said per month). What I do not understand is that if my insurance is accepted by so many for so much, why can't I find a Doctor that writes the recommendations to do the same.

That is why I get angry when I hear that people that do not have legitimate qualifying illnesses, listed by the state, are attempting, and in some cases getting recommended for MM, when I can not even with a verifiable history of chronic illness which has been being treated for as long as I have.

Now please do not think that I am saying that I should and everyone else should not. That is far from the truth. I believe that Cannabis should be available to everyone, it is by far less harmful than alcohol and the only requirement for using it is a Birthday.

I know that there will be a long and slow acceptance for the medical profession to begin routinely recommending MM for Patients in general.

Has anyone else had a similar experience? Does anyone have any suggestions for me? If so I would greatly appreciate the advice. It makes me so angry and depressed to know that there is something out there that would help me to deal with my illness and pain that I can not access simply because I do not make enough money.

I know that if I can get the recommendation I can produce the Marijuana myself, I have the growing equipment and have a previous background in commercial greenhouse management, not to mention the wealth of resources that are available to me via this site and it's members. It terrifies me that on the rare occasion that some currently comes my way I run the risk of being put in jail by using it.

Thank you oh so much for your time and consideration. For now I will continue to work toward getting a Grow Room set up and reaching out to find a way to get either the funds to cover the cost of the clinic, or an appointment with a Doctor that will accept my insurance for the visit. You guys are so awesome for taking the time to read this and I wish you all the success needed in the process.
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If anyone deserves to have a permit to use mmj its you Sheenyboy!!!
 
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MMJ is like a rock in their shoe, big pharma and the boys club can't make any money on it
its the rogues that are cashing in
 
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I see your point but fakers aren't too blame. If the state you live in declines you but a person who is faking gets it how is that their fault or problem? So if I want a job and I'm the best for it but someone comes in and fakes it during the interview is it their fault they were hiring? Its a single case situation and if you really need MMJ quit complaining on here and do something about it. If your doctor says 'no' go to another one. Do research there are many ways to get yourself legit it just depends on your state. We are on the same side he/she who complains accomplishments are minimal. Birds fly, ducks quack which are you?
 
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Wow thank you all so much. The I am amazed at how much support I am finding on this site. In response to the comment:

"Its a single case situation and if you really need MMJ quit complaining on here and do something about it. If your doctor says 'no' go to another one. Do research there are many ways to get yourself legit it just depends on your state."

I am sorry if you thought I was complaining, I really am not, in fact I rarely ever do complain. I meant to simply state what has Happened thus far and I am doing research, that is how I found this site.

As to the process of getting my MMJ card I just faxed my paperwork to M4C and will wait to hear from them. There of course is a cost for being seen there, but I am gonna do what I have to do, even if I have to sell my van for scrap.

I certainly do blame "fakers" for making the process to take longer and to have added to the myth that all people seeking MMJ for treatment are just seeking a way to get High.

I have stated before and will repeat again I believe that Cannabis should be legalized for everyone. I firmly believe that one day it will be, but as long as people try to game the system the longer and harder it will be to get it done.

I will keep you all informed of what is happening in this process, and I will certainly be asking questions and hopefully will be able to return the favor.

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Listen because you still don't get it. Every system has holes and flaws but the fakers aren't to blame. The reason its taking you so long to get a card is not because "they think people wanna just get high" the pharmaceuticals companies are far more corrupt. Just look at pills like vicodin, aspirin, percocets & basically any pharmaceuticals thats a narcotic pain killer scams, scams, and even more scams. Your government is very aware of the benefits of the green tree, this is not anything new. Drugs legal and illegal is a multibillion dollar industry. The problem with marijuana is that its a plant and cant be patten because of that you have to alter it or add some kind of chemical. Think about this cigarettes are a drug yet its legal, weed is a plant yet its illegal. We all know several people that can quit smoking bud. To this day I only know one person besides myself that has every quit the cancer stick cold turkey. My point is that your anger is misplaced if you have all the issues you claim then you should be focus on getting treatment that helps you. There will always be cheaters and scammers (your government) has made a career out of it. Please keep researching and your eyes will be opened. THE ONLY ONE HEAR TO BLAME IS THE PUPPET MASTER NOT THE PUPPETS- you are the puppet myself included.


...again MMJ patients and common people are on the same side.
 
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What do U think I don't get? The problem right now is just over crowding at the clinics. Other than that I do not care what others attempt to do. The final decision is with the Doctor. If he approves the patients illness/complaint and writes the recommendation, then they are NOT fakers.

I do agree that there is no difference between those that can get a recommendation due to illness and those that can not, except that the MMJ law protects those of us that have an illness.

Obviously there are people that are going to try and get into a program like this, even if they do not qualify. And there will probably be instances of Doctors that chose to take the money and write recommendations for people that otherwise would not qualify. It has happened in the past with other substances and will more than likely happen in the future.

The fact is that if this does happen and the fraud is exposed it creates the negative image that the right wing opposition wants and needs. If people are really serious about us getting to the place where Cannabis is legal for all, then they should be the ones voicing concern and anger, because it is their future legal smoking that will be in jeopardy.

I want to be very clear that I hold no animosity toward those that want to try and get a recommendation, however eventually there will be a census of applicants vs recommendations and if the numbers are showing a high number of people attempting to receive a recommendation, then it is again just ammunition that can be used against the legalization for everyone.

Maybe U are the one that should open their eyes and realize that a tenuous victory for the legalization for the seriously ill does not give people the right for a few people to mess it up for everyone else by trying to apply for something that they know in advance that will more than likely be denied.

I truly do believe that Marijuana should be available to everyone, but currently that is not the current reality. I correlate it to being like people that park in Handicap spaces when they are not supposed to. It makes me angry but that's all. I let it go, I do not pursue it any further.

Life is to short to hold on to anger, so I don't. Rather I would prefer to pass a green one and chill.

Anyway neither of us is gonna change the mind of the other. So why don't we quit bickering and start trying to get things moved along toward a happier and hopefully Higher future.
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What do U think I don't get? The problem right now is just over crowding at the clinics. Other than that I do not care what others attempt to do. The final decision is with the Doctor. If he approves the patients illness/complaint and writes the recommendation, then they are NOT fakers.

I do agree that there is no difference between those that can get a recommendation due to illness and those that can not, except that the MMJ law protects those of us that have an illness.

Obviously there are people that are going to try and get into a program like this, even if they do not qualify. And there will probably be instances of Doctors that chose to take the money and write recommendations for people that otherwise would not qualify. It has happened in the past with other substances and will more than likely happen in the future.

The fact is that if this does happen and the fraud is exposed it creates the negative image that the right wing opposition wants and needs. If people are really serious about us getting to the place where Cannabis is legal for all, then they should be the ones voicing concern and anger, because it is their future legal smoking that will be in jeopardy.

I want to be very clear that I hold no animosity toward those that want to try and get a recommendation, however eventually there will be a census of applicants vs recommendations and if the numbers are showing a high number of people attempting to receive a recommendation, then it is again just ammunition that can be used against the legalization for everyone.

Maybe U are the one that should open their eyes and realize that a tenuous victory for the legalization for the seriously ill does not give people the right for a few people to mess it up for everyone else by trying to apply for something that they know in advance that will more than likely be denied.

I truly do believe that Marijuana should be available to everyone, but currently that is not the current reality. I correlate it to being like people that park in Handicap spaces when they are not supposed to. It makes me angry but that's all. I let it go, I do not pursue it any further.

Life is to short to hold on to anger, so I don't. Rather I would prefer to pass a green one and chill.

Anyway neither of us is gonna change the mind of the other. So why don't we quit bickering and start trying to get things moved along toward a happier and hopefully Higher future.

:passitleft:


Hey Sheenyboy, I am glad to see you have sent in the paperwork! Please let us know how it goes. If there is anything we can do please ask. 420Mag is a place where ALL of US stick together and do not prey on the illnesses or weakness of others. I have spread around this thread so hopefully my fellow 420ers will chime in.
:nicethread: Be strong you are a life educated inspiration to us all.:peace::ganjamon::bong::popcorn::popcorn::smokin:
 
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Thank you for the support. I will be sure to keep you all informed. Hopefully the state backlog will not be too long. Working at the speed of government don't ya know.
 
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Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to give you all real quick update. I have found a local Dr and he has agreed to see me to write the commendation. However, he charges $220 for his examination fee. I asked the nurse who called if they had a sliding scale and she told me that I would have to discuss that with the Dr when I came in. I have decided that this is important enough to me to get so I will "simply" postpone paying a few bills and that way I can have the cash at the time of the appointment.

I will be sure to post back about my experience and let you all know what the outcome is. Thank you all for your support, it is a bit hard to find that in my current circle of friends since I have moved. Any way its time for me to medicate, so I will talk to you all later, have a great night!!

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I know how difficult it may appear to be obtaining your recommendation or in canada an actual prescription and licencing documentation which shows on it your daily dose ,your maximum amount you can have in your possesion and the amount you can have stored, the second licence they send is your licence to cultivate and it states the exact number of plants you can have growing at any one time. I know in the states it is a standard amount of dried cannabis that is the same for all patients and then they are allowed to have x number of flowering plants and then x number of immature plants, which In my opinion is not a proper way to do it as every patient who is using cannabis as there primary pain control has different needs. For example here in canada people claim it so hard to find a Dr to write the script and how it takes years to Find a DR who also feels cannabis is a very effective medication especially when its a non addictive medication as I had spent a few years using oxycontin for my back I came to believe quite passionately that the policy of prescribing cannabis only if other forms of treatment are ineffective or innapropriate . But my personal experience leads me to believe that with cannabis being prescribed only as last resort what is happening is many injured people are being prescribed oxycocet ,oxycontin, demerol, vicodin etc etc all addictive and for the most part of all my friends who have had to use these meds all felt they were over medicated and My opinion is cannabis should be the medication used before opiate based pain relievers you see after talking to many of my friends many of them felt that they were over medicated , so what it comes down to is would you feel safer if patients who would be prescribed oxycontin which is a prescription medication which to all intent and purposes is very similar to he
 
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hey for all you folks considering an mmj card. My friend said he wants to keep buying from his dealers even though it is more expensive than mmj because he heard that insurance companies have gotten a hold of mmj user lists and then jacked up their insurance. This is not verified, but be careful
 
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hey for all you folks considering an mmj card. My friend said he wants to keep buying from his dealers even though it is more expensive than mmj because he heard that insurance companies have gotten a hold of mmj user lists and then jacked up their insurance. This is not verified, but be careful

the marijuana registry in our state is supposed to be confidential
 
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MMJ is not only a medicine for treating the seriously ill or dying there are hundreds of ailments that can be treated with MMJ. To tell someone that they should not use MMJ to treat their illness is basically like saying a plant can be prohibited. everyone has a right to medicine no matter the level of their condition. It sounds like you are entitled to cut to the front of the line because you say you are worse off then someone else. Is that your diagnosis or a doctors? I heard that preventative medicine is better than putting off and waiting for the condition to worsen. If thats the case maybe you should give your card to someone else and you can go find a "drug dealer"
 
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dude you would be suprised who you can have a good fun lawsuit with for turning u down with ur card. for real the only way not to get pushed around is to fight back legisticly
 
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have NO legite illness to get it should just keep getting it from your dealer. I have read soo many posts here that ppl who aren't seriously ill, or are ONLY looking for certain strains, or their dealer is out , or want a free coffee card, or cheaper herb,you are the ones compromising the system for legitimate, seriously ill patients that have "CHRONIC ILLNESS" , in which some are still turned away and there is a huge backlog of ppl who really need mmj. I hate reading here about ppl who want this card and don't really need it. Trying to obtain a docs recommendation coz your dealer is out or you want to get it cheaper or some shit is just fucked up! Bad Karma on those WHO HAVE beat the system in order to obtain a card and are not seriously ill. You are the ones who are making the process of legal mmj in all states a seriously HARD endeavor, because of you WE seriously ill, chronicly ill patients are badly scrutinzed as "DRUG SEEKERS". You make it even more diffilcult for us to go thru the process. SHAME ON YOU and I hope you never get a card!

I think you are way off base blaming any thing other then ignorance for not being able to smoke pot legally. How many people have a list of ailments and their doctor would politely smirk when asked about MJ and tell you to forget it!Why are you so special that you deserve one over others! Should I blame you for not having gas from hemp because you keep buying hydrocarbons or is it those that wont let you grow the hemp to do it!
 
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