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Cateros,
I know what you are going through and although it is unfair we never get burdened with more than we can carry. Our footprints may be a little deeper and abnormal but we all are the same kind, humankind!

"My arm was broken, hurting and I thought I had it bad, until I met a man who had no arm, we then met a man who had no legs, I guess my arm and I don't have it so bad" ------I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THAT BULLSHIT--

When humankind is in pain, true pain, they will try to alleviate that problem "by any means necessary."
Can I stand in judgment of that person?
NO!
That is for St. Peter at the Gate, and ultimately GOD.

"JUDGE NO MAN, LEST YOU BE JUDGED."

I understand the sh*tty way that scumbag Dr treated you, and how it affects your life and that of your family, and friends. I can be of some assistance with advice as I have been through it all medically.Whew!
Remember:
:smokin2: "There But For The Grace of God Go I" :smokin2:

We both do not "know" what that poor woman is going through. Nobody does, not even her Dr. As she clearly needs to be made whole again in order to assist anyone in her care. Is Medical Marijuana (MMJ, in the States), the panacea she believes? Who knows, again, as her own Dr had reservations about her care he undoubtedly "held off" on an important decision. Was this right? We are not her Dr.

Back to you: that Methadone is the F***ing worst thing on the planet next is OxyContin and you are only one micron above sewage sludge at the bottom of a treatment plant that was left behind to fester.
There are alternatives to the well known undesirable medications. Such as MM AR in Can. MMJ in the States and a myriad of new long acting painkillers some re-introduced after being voluntarily pulled out of commission back in the heydays of 1971's Controlled Substances Act.`. Chances are with your injury you will still need Non Cancer Pain Opioid Therapy. I know, the way your esteemed Dr. treated you he should be ashamed to call himself a Dr. there is a huge difference between reliance and addiction eg; a diabetic is reliant on his medication to control his condition and live normally== a Pt on long term Opioid therapy who is responsible is reliant on his/her meds for the exact same reasons who is that guy to suggest you are a junkie!

ask for a complete copy of your medical records make sure they are accurate, obtain a complete pharmacy record going back 1-3 yrs (they only look at months
then shop yourself around determining who is the best Care Provider for You, this bum is not!
A good Dr would know that MM AR (in Can) would assist in pain management allowing you to titrate down probably to one 40mg pill in am and one 40mg pill 12hrs later in the pm.
Maybe he had no personal knowledge, and had not received any info or training on MMJ at all.
In the States Dr's who are Board Certified HAVE to take ongoing courses and re-certify after a brief time I think 2yrs as this would insure they truly are abreast of all treatment modalities, and the casual affects thereof.


My fellow Americans this is a prime example of how Govt. Run Health care works "rationing". Nobody thinks about it until they become disabled or ill and are forced to work within the system.
The last big "Fix" that Washington tried on Health care was:
The Controlled Substances Act of 1971,
.......................................................Enough said!

"Oh, Health care reform, that'll be OK as long as I can keep my Dr."
NAH.. NOPE..NADA,
Just read the above line and Think what can happen without rigorous debate and examination of all options. We need to look World wide at all programs like this finding what works best incorporating these practices from different Nations, and States ultimately making a domestic policy we can all afford and be proud of. One example is Switzerland, France, Germany, and Japan, while not perfect there are great policies and practices in these and other countries that work, are affordable and would cover all Americans regardless of wealth or social status.

I realize your disposition and reason for it but that does not mitigate your
insensitivity to someone else"s situation saying it is trivial or unimportant
no matter what they say. Who knows maybe a kind word and sympathetic ear and her cramps would be miraculously cured and then one could explain the position of how her line of thinking could harm others medically.
If they decide to go ahead and defraud their ins. co. there are felony laws in many states that handle this and Federal Laws that overlap, again while one person can set MMJ back the Feds are all over this program as well as State's Medical Review Board's who will not hesitate filing charges against Dr's and Pt's. Have mercy on this girl as maybe MMJ will improve the quality of her life as it will ours.

Read a couple of my posts send me a PM and I will try to assist.
Ask that girls forgiveness I am sure she will understand you are going through an extremely difficult time. Unless someone has gone thru or dealt with this it is almost impossible to understand, but u will be pleasantly surprised at the compassion here at 420.

Also a tubal ligation is when they cut, tie and cauterize a womans Fallopian tubes to end pregnancy worries, and other reasons as determined by your Dr.
I think what you were trying to describe is a DNC and again I may be incorrect.
My friend all will be OK as you have a medical history and do not have to "shop a script". DWC Bay Area has great advice and would not comment if he did not care. There are many here who can empathize with your status and condition. Good Luck and stay in touch you have great ideas I just think the meds are messin with you.

I have been through all sorts of bullsh*t and will assist anyone as many here reached out to me at a critical time!
That being said,
God Bless you all Everyone.:rollit::thankyou::rasta::grinjoint:
 
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Well I do see where your coming from wingman and I do apologize to the lady who made the comment about lying to get the card and I truly didnt mean any offence just got mad when I noticed you never said anything about trying every means to alleviate your discomfort only made a reference to one med that helped you but your allergic. You see to me I would try every other form of reasonable treatment that was offered to me if I was you then if none work just show them a history book where it talks about queen victoria using marijuana extracts to alleviate her menstral pain this way you have tried everything possible to change your situation and if nothing works and you can show historical proof of a person of especially notable fame who used it for the exact same reason I think you might find a doctor who would agree and at the very least you could get all your medical info showing there was nothing that would help you and also keep all info about othe women who use marijuana for menstral pain and just keep it handy for if you have trouble with the law . That way if its left up to a judge if its anything like how it works in canada she would probably get a court ordered exemption . But its was just the idea of lying to get a card it went right in my book as double doctoring for extra pain meds or faking a back injury to go into an emergency room and get meds etc and actions like that can easily derail such a program like mmj as it is new and for the most part in the US isnt even federally accepted like in canada . Here in Canada they actually have provisions where if you try all other forms of treatment and nothing works all it takes is a speciallist to show this and a GP to agree to sign your forms for MMJ and you can use it for Pretty much any illness I dont know if its the same in the US and assumed it was which IS why I trully didnt like the idea of lying to get the card as here all you have to do is try every treatment that is reasonable if none work then you need to find a DR to sign which is the main problem in canada . Last year in ontario 480 DR's prescribed MMJ but the public cannot access information as to which ones have prescribed it. It has taken me 4 years and finally this Coming FEB I see aDR whos office manager told me I just have to be able to show that I have a spinal injury that would place me as a category 1 illness and he will help me obtain my licence. My present Dr sent him my CT Scan of my Lumbar and sacral Vertebrae and which show Calicified disk protusrion wich clearly shows a nerve cluster exiting from my l5 vertebrae above the calcifed disc so basically I hve a nerve cluster pinched between an outgrowth of calcium growing between my L5 and S1 vertebrae the vertebraes L4 L5 show to be mishappen and degenerative when compared to previous CT scan with another protuding disc between these 2 vertebrae and finally the L3 L4 is listed as irregular but degenerative but unremarkable whatever that means . My Dr told me something like the disc is degenerating and at thsi point isnt damaged to where it isnt functioning properly but eventually it will break down enough where it will be either Pressing on nerve tissue or cause another disc to protrude thru. So When I think back on all I have been thru since 1999 till present time and esepcially the last 4 years trying to find a DR who will prescribe me MMJ It just made me snap and I really dont mean to be an ASS.
 
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Propa Gator said:
I am responsible for my medical health. No government, agency nor individual takes this from me.
I have hired Doctors, and will again. Probably with regrets again.
I smoke weed on my own recommendation. When I feel better, having harmed no-one am I wrong?
Who can say my use is non-medical?
If a law is imperfect, should I wait for correction before taking advantage of what is there?
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I hope that an honest man will take the medicine of his choosing.
I also hope that an honest man won't lie to his chosen doctor by faking symptoms.
 
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Cateros said:
Well I do see where your coming from wingman and I do apologize to the lady who made the comment about lying to get the card and I truly didnt mean any offence just got mad when I noticed you never said anything about trying every means to alleviate your discomfort only made a reference to one med that helped you but your allergic. You see to me I would try every other form of reasonable treatment that was offered to me if I was you then if none work just show them a history book where it talks about queen victoria using marijuana extracts to alleviate her menstral pain this way you have tried everything possible to change your situation and if nothing works and you can show historical proof of a person of especially notable fame who used it for the exact same reason I think you might find a doctor who would agree and at the very least you could get all your medical info showing there was nothing that would help you and also keep all info about othe women who use marijuana for menstral pain and just keep it handy for if you have trouble with the law . That way if its left up to a judge if its anything like how it works in canada she would probably get a court ordered exemption . But its was just the idea of lying to get a card it went right in my book as double doctoring for extra pain meds or faking a back injury to go into an emergency room and get meds etc and actions like that can easily derail such a program like mmj as it is new and for the most part in the US isnt even federally accepted like in canada . Here in Canada they actually have provisions where if you try all other forms of treatment and nothing works all it takes is a speciallist to show this and a GP to agree to sign your forms for MMJ and you can use it for Pretty much any illness I dont know if its the same in the US and assumed it was which IS why I trully didnt like the idea of lying to get the card as here all you have to do is try every treatment that is reasonable if none work then you need to find a DR to sign which is the main problem in canada . Last year in ontario 480 DR's prescribed MMJ but the public cannot access information as to which ones have prescribed it. It has taken me 4 years and finally this Coming FEB I see aDR whos office manager told me I just have to be able to show that I have a spinal injury that would place me as a category 1 illness and he will help me obtain my licence. My present Dr sent him my CT Scan of my Lumbar and sacral Vertebrae and which show Calicified disk protusrion wich clearly shows a nerve cluster exiting from my l5 vertebrae above the calcifed disc so basically I hve a nerve cluster pinched between an outgrowth of calcium growing between my L5 and S1 vertebrae the vertebraes L4 L5 show to be mishappen and degenerative when compared to previous CT scan with another protuding disc between these 2 vertebrae and finally the L3 L4 is listed as irregular but degenerative but unremarkable whatever that means . My Dr told me something like the disc is degenerating and at thsi point isnt damaged to where it isnt functioning properly but eventually it will break down enough where it will be either Pressing on nerve tissue or cause another disc to protrude thru. So When I think back on all I have been thru since 1999 till present time and esepcially the last 4 years trying to find a DR who will prescribe me MMJ It just made me snap and I really dont mean to be an ASS.
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Cateros,

My Friend I am empathetic to your medical conditions as I am totally disabled after being run over from left shoulder across to right hip.
I thank you for your heartfelt post and am sure all is ok. I knew you could be misunderstood in this. I too, truly believe when seeking any medical attention one should be totally honest. Try all and any modalities of treatment and/or therapies as directed by your Dr., while talking with them about what works what does not, Also what you have done that helps in the past (be careful here). And after exhausting traditional treatments and therapies trying new less orthodox treatments with your Dr. If he/she is not open this then go to a specialist.
If you only want to smoke pot then do so at your own risk and work assiduosly to reform marijuana laws I am sure there are millions who will assist.
I do not think some people understand how painfull our injuries may be but we must be patient and walk away.
I also think some will never also understand the harm they may be causing to MMJ and it's patients, by seeking MMJ legal protection for their conscious decision to break the law. I am not saying that anyone who smokes pot does not have a need to but what is legislated is a bona fide, substantiated, documented, and then medically confirmed need to partake in MMJ Therapy.
Anybody is welcome to beat out their own path but dont sell kilo's and attempt to hide behind me, I may or may not assist but is that fair to me?

As to the Rx's PM me I have some info on meds that work (but not anymore for me) and will recommend you to ask your specialist about getting of Dolophine (methadone). It usually takes half the time you were on it after stopping completely to be out of you. As residuals are deep in tissues and bones, this is what a few Neurosurgeons and Physiatrists have informed me of, and it is hell, I know full well. There are stronger med(s) that will help you minimizing withdrawal, which only take 3 days to exit system. These are some meds that are better for you and will not make you dizzy. I will not list here.
:goodjob::cool::yummy:
 
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wingman580 said:
Cateros,


As to the Rx's PM me I have some info on meds that work (but not anymore for me) and will recommend you to ask your specialist about getting of Dolophine (methadone). It usually takes half the time you were on it after stopping completely to be out of you. As residuals are deep in tissues and bones, this is what a few Neurosurgeons and Physiatrists have informed me of, and it is hell, I know full well. There are stronger med(s) that will help you minimizing withdrawal, which only take 3 days to exit system. These are some meds that are better for you and will not make you dizzy. I will not list here.
:goodjob::cool::yummy:
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OMG...you're recommending METHADONE treatment?

Unbelievable.... And the withdrawal scenario you explained is just wrong. I've assisted in helping friends to come off Methadone, and it is far worse than getting off of Her-oine! Shame on you for advising it....
 
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Irish said:
OMG...you're recommending METHADONE treatment?

Unbelievable.... And the withdrawal scenario you explained is just wrong. I've assisted in helping friends to come off Methadone, and it is far worse than getting off of Her-oine! Shame on you for advising it....
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Actually he was advising me to talk to my Dr about getting off methadone which I have been on for quite while now becuase when I brought up medical Maijuana to my Dr who had me on oxycontin for years he suddenly decided I just wanted to get high and refused to pescribe me oxycontin anymoe actually decided he didnt want to treat me period and sent me to a Methadone Dr who has treated me for my pain since with 100mg of methadone a day but what is wierd is I had a Dr think I only wanted to get high when I asked him to help me get a Medical marijuana card so i can get off oxycontin like Marijuana is stronger then oxycontin. So here I am a person who who wanted to get off a highly addictive med and use marijuana instead sent to a Methadone clinic put on an even stronger and more addictive med even though it dont know if its because I am on methadone but I explain the situation to them they listen then still recomend that I go to an addiction clinic. Meanwhile the Dr who prescribes me Methadone actually has told me he believes marijuana to be beneficial and has agreed to refer me to any DR I can find who prescribes marijuana but has informed me he cant because of his ties to the CMSA which has a policy of not prescribing MMJ . Meanwhile they will prescribe clonazepam,Nabilone,paxil ,amytryptaline nabilone being a synthetic marijuana as I understand and clonazepam is just a benzo which is addictive. An here I am with 3 discs which he knows are damaged and he knows causes me extreme pain infact he also knows that I want to be off opiates of any type he continually asks me if I want to increase my dose to deal with the pain and I have to tell him there is no way I will increase what I take as i want off it altogether but what am I to do without any pain relief at all I would be unable to cope. Bascially I am am a victim of discrimination all due to the fact that because of a simple question I am put on methadone and from then on every Dr I seems to think I am just an addict wanting to get high .
 
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merickson said:
I hope that an honest man will take the medicine of his choosing.
I also hope that an honest man won't lie to his chosen doctor by faking symptoms.
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Access to competent professionals should be allowed, for an honest man.
Not heeding his advice is foolish, or your 'choice' of his service was.
Lying to one's doctor or lawyer is a practice fraught with peril.
Are there any totally unvarnished truthful opinions?
 
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Cateros said:
Actually he was advising me to talk to my Dr about getting off methadone which I have been on for quite while now becuase when I brought up medical Maijuana to my Dr who had me on oxycontin for years he suddenly decided I just wanted to get high and refused to pescribe me oxycontin anymoe actually decided he didnt want to treat me period and sent me to a Methadone Dr who has treated me for my pain since with 100mg of methadone a day but what is wierd is I had a Dr think I only wanted to get high when I asked him to help me get a Medical marijuana card so i can get off oxycontin like Marijuana is stronger then oxycontin. So here I am a person who who wanted to get off a highly addictive med and use marijuana instead sent to a Methadone clinic put on an even stronger and more addictive med even though it dont know if its because I am on methadone but I explain the situation to them they listen then still recomend that I go to an addiction clinic. Meanwhile the Dr who prescribes me Methadone actually has told me he believes marijuana to be beneficial and has agreed to refer me to any DR I can find who prescribes marijuana but has informed me he cant because of his ties to the CMSA which has a policy of not prescribing MMJ . Meanwhile they will prescribe clonazepam,Nabilone,paxil ,amytryptaline nabilone being a synthetic marijuana as I understand and clonazepam is just a benzo which is addictive. An here I am with 3 discs which he knows are damaged and he knows causes me extreme pain infact he also knows that I want to be off opiates of any type he continually asks me if I want to increase my dose to deal with the pain and I have to tell him there is no way I will increase what I take as i want off it altogether but what am I to do without any pain relief at all I would be unable to cope. Bascially I am am a victim of discrimination all due to the fact that because of a simple question I am put on methadone and from then on every Dr I seems to think I am just an addict wanting to get high .
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*nodnodnodnod* Okay. I understand now. And I am sooo sorry they took you to methadone--and the usual crapola about you being a junkie--which they've helped you become--whether you wanted to or not. Once you start coming off it, your pain will be worse than you can possibly imagine. Withdrawal symptoms can last for months...

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, and you already know. One thing, though, is certain. You have to be careful what you say to your doctor. And sometimes, even if you're the most honest person in the world, you have to choose your words very carefully, omit things, or downright lie to them.

I broke my hand year before last--a nasty compound fracture that required surgery to repair. Since I was asked if I smoked and what meds I was currently on, I admitted to being an mmj patient. They refused to do the surgery specifically because of this. The bone healed crooked without the pins they would have put in it, and now use of my right hand is limited, the pain of the ill-healed bone coupled with my peripheral neuropathy has taken me to a whole new level of pain experience. If I use my right hand for any repetitive motions, after I'm done, my hand curls into a claw and the pain is excruciating. Had I said nothing about being an mmj patient, or lied about smoking, the surgery would have been done, my hand would have healed correctly and I would not be in as much constant pain as I am.

It's a fracked up system of prejudice and harmful laws. I'm so sorry you're going through this.....

Apologies, Wingman, for misunderstanding...
 
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Irish said:
*nodnodnodnod* Okay. I understand now. And I am sooo sorry they took you to methadone--and the usual crapola about you being a junkie--which they've helped you become--whether you wanted to or not. Once you start coming off it, your pain will be worse than you can possibly imagine. Withdrawal symptoms can last for months...

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, and you already know. One thing, though, is certain. You have to be careful what you say to your doctor. And sometimes, even if you're the most honest person in the world, you have to choose your words very carefully, omit things, or lie to them.

I broke my hand year before last--a nasty compound fracture that required surgery to repair. Since I was asked if I smoked and what meds I was currently on, I admitted to being an mmj patient. They refused to do the surgery specifically because of this. The bone healed crooked without the pins they would have put in it, and now use of my right hand is limited, the pain of the ill-healed bone coupled with my peripheral neuropathy has taken me to a whole new level of pain experience. If I use my right hand for any repetitive motions, after I'm done, my hand curls into a claw and the pain is excruciating. Had I said nothing about being an mmj patient, or lied about smoking, the surgery would have been done, my hand would have healed correctly and I would not be in as much constant pain as I am.

It's a fracked up system of prejudice and harmful laws. I'm so sorry you're going through this.....
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Thanks so much for the kind words and I feel as bad for you about your hand I know what you mean about how predjudiced the medical system has become. I personally believe Dr's who dont prescribe medical marijuana are particularly pedjudiced as they know that it can be used to treat so many problems they realize that if it becomes a main stream therapy they are going to loose out on loads of fringe benefits they get from the pharmaceutical companys like the free trips or a straight out kick back of funds for reccomending there product like they were salesmen.

Hopefully the Dr I am seeing in Feb 2010 will be different he is a specialist in Fibromyalgia,CFS,and chronic pain treatment. When I was speaking to his office manager and told her about my situation she told me that DR Saul could help with my pain with prescription of Opiate treatment,Methadone or medicinal marijuana to which I told her I have been on oxycontin and while it did relieve the pain it was just to overwhelming of a drug and that I currently was on methadone but that I wanted to get away from all opiates but to do so I needed another form of pain relief and that I have used marijuana to great effect and I have no problems with controlling my dosage. She then told me that Dr Saul would help me to get my forms completed I would just have to prove to him that I have a condition that would make me elegible under category 1 , So I had my present DR the one who is treating my pain with methadone send a referal and my CT scan of my spine that shows 3 damaged levels of my spin L3-L4 level L4-L5 level and L5-S1 the last 2 levels being the worse but this CT scan was taken in 2002 and the condition was listed as Degenerative so the pain has been constantly getting worse. The L5-S1 in the ct was described as having a Calcified disc with a moderate sized Protrusion pressing against the anterior something sac and that the nerve roots from the L5 vertebrae are seen exiting the spinal region well above the protrusion. The L4-L5 is described as being degenerative and mishapen on the left facet causing a compression of the disc and the first one they list as unremarkeable but I assume because of the degenerative nature of my injury that over time it will become worse . But anyways I hope this will be enough for the Dr to consider my condition a category 1 injury according to Health Canadas regulations. But his office manager who I should also mention is his wife was fairly certain that as long as I had the proof of my spinal injury he would sign my forms . Only thing I am not sure of is how much I would need daily to deal with the pain as I dont want to use any opiates at all .

So what would you think presently I take 100mg of methadone daily and when the pain is to unbearable I eat a bit more then a gram of marijuana and I will almost completely relieve the pain for about 3-5 hours . Anyways the health canada reccomendation on prescriptions lists 5 grams/day to be the highest dose that falls within the average daily amount for most patients So I am thinking that 5grams per day mostly ingested but some I smoke to deal with the pain for immiediate relief while I wait for what I ate to start working its way thru my system . But as you said earlier that the pain would be worse after I got the methadone out of my system is that only because of the methadone leaving my system or is it because Methadone is a very strong pain killer? If its the first I have also read that there have been studies done that show MMJ is also usefull in counteracting the effects of the withdrawl from methadone which would of course be lowered in dose size over a period of time , I am considering 2mg or so every 2 weeks untill its all out of my system but if it is effective in countering the withdrawl of methadone then I may be able to get the poison out of my system even faster.
 
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Cateros said:
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So what would you think presently I take 100mg of methadone daily and when the pain is to unbearable I eat a bit more then a gram of marijuana and I will almost completely relieve the pain for about 3-5 hours . Anyways the health canada reccomendation on prescriptions lists 5 grams/day to be the highest dose that falls within the average daily amount for most patients So I am thinking that 5grams per day mostly ingested but some I smoke to deal with the pain for immiediate relief while I wait for what I ate to start working its way thru my system . But as you said earlier that the pain would be worse after I got the methadone out of my system is that only because of the methadone leaving my system or is it because Methadone is a very strong pain killer? If its the first I have also read that there have been studies done that show MMJ is also usefull in counteracting the effects of the withdrawl from methadone which would of course be lowered in dose size over a period of time , I am considering 2mg or so every 2 weeks untill its all out of my system but if it is effective in countering the withdrawl of methadone then I may be able to get the poison out of my system even faster.
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Methadone and the other opiates make your brain produce chemicals to relieve pain--it raises the pain threshold in a similar way that tobacco raises the stress threshold (and I consider them both as perhaps the most addictive substances on the planet). The addiction part is that your brain gets used to a foreign chemical making it release the natural chemicals for pain relief instead of functioning normally by producing it itself. It's like your system temporarily forgets how to do so. So on that 3rd day of no methadone, you have nothing to regulate your pain, and you won't until your brain retrains itself.

You might want to opt for more than 5g a day. Have you used cannabis alone, without oxycontin or methadone or any other pain reliever in your system to base your dosage on? Also, the effects of cannabis is different variety to variety. What if you can't get as stong a med as you used to base your dosage with? You'll need more quantity with weed that is lower in strength if you can't find or grow what you require to stay pain free.

Short on time this morning, otherwise this would have been a lot longer post.....
 
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Actually no I havent been able to use only cannabis alone as I had stopped using it for over 10 years before I was injured and didnt start using it again until after I was put over to methadone and it wasnt dealing with the pain. So I had already new that it helped for pain as when I was 20 and had my wisdom teeth out the Dr only prescribed me tylenol 3 and I was in wicked pain untill after a friend offered to smoke a joint with me and it helped with the pain a ton. So when I was getting this wicked pain when only having methadone for pain relief I started using cannabis when I was hurting really bad but only ever buying enough for the times when I really couldnt stand it so a gram or 2 here and there when I just couldnt deal with the pain. But as the condition Is degenerative I am assuming the pain has been increasing over the past years because of that but I guess its also possible My system has also developed a tolerance to it so its effectiveness might be decreasing I really dont know. My Dr has offered to increase my dose but I have refused to ever increase my dose as the only change in methadone dose I am interested in is one that goes down. The only thing I am sure of is I know that if the pain gets beyond the meds ability to deal with it only takes a gram maybe 1.5 to give me a good 3-5 hours relief and to tell the truth it actually brings my pain level down to a 1or2 on a scale of 10, Also witout mmj I can barely finish my house work of vacumning dishes make dinner and some laundry may be 3 hours total light work and I am having muscle spasms and pain like mad but if I use my regular med and cannabis I think I could probably do about 6 hours of light duty labour. But I imagine ill have to speak with the Dr and explain to him what I have told you and see what he thinks would be the best way to do it. He may suggest bringing my dose of methadone down to maybe 20-30mg a day as the effect of methadone lasts 24 hours and then supplement with the cannabis but really dont want to do that but the main problem would be is I cant afford to buy mmj from health canada so i would have to grow my own and the only room I have available is an old bathroom we nolong use as we put added on to the house and put in a new one with a jaccuzzi tub to help a bit with my back. But the other room i would use only has about a 5 x7 space that I could partition off to give me room to grow my own but would have to veg and flower in same room so cant do a continual grow. I estimate in this space with a 1000w light I could probably grow about 15 plant giving each about 2 square feet each not sure what Kind of yields I could get out of this space but I figure I coudl possibly produce 700grams or so every 4 months . I have read that yielding 1gram per watt of light is easilly accomplished but as I have never grown i dont know for sure. What would you think with the space I have say 30 square feet if i use a 1000w light do you think yielding 700grams every 4 months is easily accompplished by a new grower or will it take me awhile to be able to get there?
 
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Since I posted this thread I never imagined the potential would open up for such a large debate. Before I posted it I had come across some illicit patients who had lied or exagerated to get their card..while I suffer. Hence my title. I like the debate and the stir ,however I would like to keep it on topic as this isn't a "grow" or " card recommendation" thread...there are some very long posts about remedial growing questions, please refer to the stickies posted in "GROW FORUMS", there are also people soliciting for where to get their cards at, this is off topic.

That said: I would like to point out , I was a spiritual user and rec user long before a med user, however I guess I could reasonably state that I was also using it medicinally and didn't even know it. If everyone is using it medicanally then everyone is sick!

Someone else said:
"UM excuse me Medical MJ users but I think you need to just chll out. If it wasnt for us recreational smokers fightning for mj you wouldnt even know of the potential." MeanBean .

WHO'S to say that I wasn't a rec or spiritual user before i was a med user, but WHAT do you know about what I fight for or how old I am for that matter?? THat's one big ass assumption you got there! Not to mention the utter needing of a medicine to heal you , I think the sick person wants/needs it legal worse than the rec user. I think you got it backwards. I fight for it daily I am also a big doner to certain organizations that are sponsors here, are YOU?

"If everyone has a legitimate reason to use medical cannabis, the implication is that everyone is sick." Merickson. I loved that quote and sums up alot!

Yeah it's a grey area, but obtaining narcotics isn't, same logic applies. There are those who abuse the system. THere are those who NEED the system to stay functional. The abuse of the system , prolongs the terrible suffering of "seriously ill" patients by making them look like the "evil doers"..

let's just try to stay on topic!:bong:
NAMASTE
 
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wow sorrry for that double post first of all didnt realize my pc did that this afternoon and didnt mean to get off topic talking about growing and what not just came across my mind to ask the question that came to mind as when this thread started I entered feeling the same as the original post that those who lie to get there card while those who need it go without I agreed with . As after 4 years I finally think I have found A Dr in ontario who doesnt have a negative opinion of cannabis if you check the info as of last year there were only 430 ish Dr's who have prescribed it and 1800 patients so that isnt very good in the province that has like half the country in it but only 400 Dr who have prrescribed MMJ compared to BC where the population is much lower . So in ontario even finding a DR who has prescribed medicinal marijuana is tough and its a miracle if your present Dr is one of them. And when I asked the Grow question I was wondering if there is any way a new licence holder can hope to fill his own scrip right off the bat.
 
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Cateros said:
wow sorrry for that double post first of all didnt realize my pc did that this afternoon and didnt mean to get off topic talking about growing and what not just came across my mind to ask the question that came to mind as when this thread started I entered feeling the same as the original post that those who lie to get there card while those who need it go without I agreed with . As after 4 years I finally think I have found A Dr in ontario who doesnt have a negative opinion of cannabis if you check the info as of last year there were only 430 ish Dr's who have prescribed it and 1800 patients so that isnt very good in the province that has like half the country in it but only 400 Dr who have prrescribed MMJ compared to BC where the population is much lower . So in ontario even finding a DR who has prescribed medicinal marijuana is tough and its a miracle if your present Dr is one of them. And when I asked the Grow question I was wondering if there is any way a new licence holder can hope to fill his own scrip right off the bat.
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no worries bro, just had a getting on my soap box moment! lol...Sometimes my meds whack me and had to vent.
 
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Irish said:
OMG...you're recommending METHADONE treatment?

Unbelievable.... And the withdrawal scenario you explained is just wrong. I've assisted in helping friends to come off Methadone, and it is far worse than getting off of Her-oine! Shame on you for advising it....
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Cateros said:
Actually he was advising me to talk to my Dr about getting off methadone which I have been on for quite while now becuase when I brought up medical Maijuana to my Dr who had me on oxycontin for years he suddenly decided I just wanted to get high and refused to pescribe me oxycontin anymoe actually decided he didnt want to treat me period and sent me to a Methadone Dr who has treated me for my pain since with 100mg of methadone a day but what is wierd is I had a Dr think I only wanted to get high when I asked him to help me get a Medical marijuana card so i can get off oxycontin like Marijuana is stronger then oxycontin. So here I am a person who who wanted to get off a highly addictive med and use marijuana instead sent to a Methadone clinic put on an even stronger and more addictive med even though it dont know if its because I am on methadone but I explain the situation to them they listen then still recomend that I go to an addiction clinic. Meanwhile the Dr who prescribes me Methadone actually has told me he believes marijuana to be beneficial and has agreed to refer me to any DR I can find who prescribes marijuana but has informed me he cant because of his ties to the CMSA which has a policy of not prescribing MMJ . Meanwhile they will prescribe clonazepam,Nabilone,paxil ,amytryptaline nabilone being a synthetic marijuana as I understand and clonazepam is just a benzo which is addictive. An here I am with 3 discs which he knows are damaged and he knows causes me extreme pain infact he also knows that I want to be off opiates of any type he continually asks me if I want to increase my dose to deal with the pain and I have to tell him there is no way I will increase what I take as i want off it altogether but what am I to do without any pain relief at all I would be unable to cope. Bascially I am am a victim of discrimination all due to the fact that because of a simple question I am put on methadone and from then on every Dr I seems to think I am just an addict wanting to get high .
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Cateros,

My friend thank you for defending my honor as I would not recommend methadone to my worst enemy. I have been the recipient of this Rx, and the HORRORS that ensue. It took a great deal of personal strength to "get off" this lousy med as well as going to another Dr who was a specialist with Opioid Therapy and neither prescribed OxyContin nor Methadone. After stopping methadone I did not regularly sleep for about 6 months, and the pain was unbelievable. But this can be done with certain other opioid analgesics that are specific for the relief of "round the clock" pain. If needed PM me I will provide specific info on "how to", "when to", and "how much" of detox info, specific to high doses of unwanted opioids.
Please do not take these other meds.

In all fairness, I did read the post Irish was referring to and there is a typo instead of writing off Methadone I wrote "of Methadone" simple mistake unless you read my earlier posts.

Please forgive the "off topic" nature but I thought I should respond here.
However in previous posts I spell out my feelings.
 
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Sorry but I have to give my 2 cent as well. Everyone lies in one form or another for something they want, need, or trying to hide regardless of who it is hurting. You may not know it but you are just as guilty as the one before you lying to the doctors. Today we are in a crazy ass society that tries and strips us of every right we have and it's getting worse every year. If I knew I would face a lesser penalty or fine and in some cases, let go, or released without any fine, or jail time, I to would stretch the truth. I really don't see how someone who lies to a dr. for a license is hurting you, unless they are re-selling it on the streets. Duh! Other than that, no one knows but liar. Not to mention all the BS that's flying around in the streets down to getting robbed, jacked, shortened, or getting busted by the coppers trying to purchase from your local neighborhood street dealer. I'm all for it being legal for everyone, medical or non-medical. We all want the same thing here. To be able to do what ever we want with our lives concerning marijuana, regardless of purpose or reason. There are far more worse things we do as humans on a everyday basis than lying to a physician. I have several reasons why I use, medical and non medical. But if I didn't need it for med. purposes, I would still seek out the card just for the reasons I stated earlier.

My opinion, my 2 cent. Peace to all
 
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DON KRONICK said:
Sorry but I have to give my 2 cent as well. Everyone lies in one form or another for something they want, need, or trying to hide regardless of who it is hurting. You may not know it but you are just as guilty as the one before you lying to the doctors. Today we are in a crazy ass society that tries and strips us of every right we have and it's getting worse every year. If I knew I would face a lesser penalty or fine and in some cases, let go, or released without any fine, or jail time, I to would stretch the truth. I really don't see how someone who lies to a dr. for a license is hurting you, unless they are re-selling it on the streets. Duh! Other than that, no one knows but liar. Not to mention all the BS that's flying around in the streets down to getting robbed, jacked, shortened, or getting busted by the coppers trying to purchase from your local neighborhood street dealer. I'm all for it being legal for everyone, medical or non-medical. We all want the same thing here. To be able to do what ever we want with our lives concerning marijuana, regardless of purpose or reason. There are far more worse things we do as humans on a everyday basis than lying to a physician. I have several reasons why I use, medical and non medical. But if I didn't need it for med. purposes, I would still seek out the card just for the reasons I stated earlier.

My opinion, my 2 cent. Peace to all
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Okay I can see what your saying but when you consider how workers compensation will investigate people who they feel are faking an injury I think the medicinal cannabis regulation will eventually start looking into the reasons why people say they need cannabis and then start secretly investigating like the people who are on workers compensation for a back injury and they watch him secretly to see if they can get him on film doing something that he supposedly is unable to do. If this begins to happen then the people who manage to stretch the truth and get cannabis for a back injury that doesnt exist may very well cause the use of cannabis to be returned to only terminal end of care treatment for patients. The true problem with faking it to get the card is that these programs are relatively new and could easily be changed back to the way things were when they were introduced . Until the federal matter of cannabis is finally taken care of I feel that only those who have a legitimate reason to use it should get there cards. Once a law becomes federal it becomes much harder to change so we need all cannabis supporters to get on the same page.
 
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