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VG,

Just be careful that you don't go pick up pots that are too large. Your plants are now mature enough to flower. You want them to concentrate exactly on Pre-Flowers & developing Bud sites, not root development. Honestly, I would only go up one pot size before Veg. Now, with that said, you are going to have to up the nutes now so they have enough P & K to produce nice buds. You don't need that much nitrogen now. Watch how they respond to the Flowering nutes & dose accordingly. Your plants are going to be very good producers with the Topping, Fimming and LST. Try and push your babies to the Max!

Also, a week or two before harvest plan on flushing. It'll get rid of all of the salt & nutes that have built up in the soil + you will have a smoother smoke, because the plant would have been feeding off of her leaves during the last two weeks.
 
that's good info cheers SABO i will keep my huge patio pots for my next grow ! ha ha i will pick up the next size up while i am out tomorrow i think i have a 10cm pot at the min,don't ask me how many litres cos i have no idea,going to have to check beore end of harvest flush.. thats a long way away so plenty of time ;-)

Should i start with smaller dosage when i start to add the flower nutes ?
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I haven't even asked if the nutes i'm using are any good my pal swears by them ha ha ha !!
 
Personally, I'd go 3/4's right off of the bat & see how they respond. Your ladies are big, so I'm pretty sure they can handle it. They will stretch like crazy for the first 2 weeks and then start to show their pretty buttons. After that, you'll see them working on the colas, at that time I would go with the PK Power Boost Full Blast!

Also, I read and plan on doing this when I harvest. I will do 2 separate flushes one week after another, I'll then chop them and then place the main stems in buckets of water and leave them in complete darkness for 24 to 36 hours. The plant still thinks it's alive and draws up water, but since there is no light, they will put all of their remaining energy into the colas trying to save themselves!
 
That much you think ? you been pretty bang on with any advice you have given me so,that i will do bang it straight in at 3/4 ;-)

That makes sense what your going to do mate i'm going to watch how that turns out for you,will prolly follow ;-) lol when they draw up the water i spose that will help with getting rid of the nutes left in the plant :-) i have been reading a thread on drying and curing and they were saying a similar thing when you harvest the buds treat them as if they were still alive they will produce that little bit more resin so that's something i am going to try with some of my crop . if i make it that far !! ha ha ha :-)
 
Yeah, I'd do it, if it's too much all you are is get a little nute burn, but I don't think you'll encounter that problem. I started my blossoming nutes at 1/4, then 1/2 and now they took 3/4 with no problems whatsoever. I'm 23 days into Flower now and if you go back into my journal and look you can see how much energy the plants are devoting to the buds and colas. Next week, I am going to full strength and give them every thing they need. The Nutes I'm using are 10-30-20 and they are just loving it.
 
yeah i will deffo go have another look at your journal :-)
I think my ladies will handle it they have shown no nute burn so a little will not hurt if it does ! lol my ladies are a little bit bigger than i hoped to be as i measured them the other day and they are 18 inches at the mo and still 12 days of growing to do of veg + what they grow during flower,i think they will grow another 3-4 inches during veg then god help me ha ha ha !!
 
virgingrower said:
Cheers Planet J regarding the flush or not flush i should say is this a method you use yourself ? where you skip the last feed and the plants then use up the nutes in the soil ? if so did you notice any difference in yeild quality ?
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It's what I would do on logic .. but I'm not giving them any stage-specific fertilizer, so I'm not in the position. No experience with it either .. hence the question :p
 
Yeah VG, just go to my profile and look in my picture gallery. You can see how quick they jump in flowering. I think your lil babies are going to get bigger though!
 
lol sorry Planet J i misunderstood my bad ! ha ha ha :thumb: i am going to give it a whirl,the less i have to flush the more comfortable i am,yup the easy way out ! ha ha ha !!

I will flick thru your gallery SABO i'm reading your whole journal again now as it makes more sense to me now cos i understand a little more now than i did when i first read it :-)

How big you think they gonna get cos i've only got around 6ft in height,i mean the one pp has 3 nice tops going on and will be tied down as soon as they are long enough,so will the mazar,i don't think the other PP is going to get much bigger but who knows ! ha ha ha
 
I think you'll be fine. Keep you lights as low as possible during the stretch, that will help you out. Also, if you are planning a Defol, that will help out also. If you are going top the PP, top her now. She needs time to recover and 2 weeks is enough before going into flower.
 
Cheers SABO,one more question you think she will take topping and re-potting in one go ?

I do plan on defoling but only slight,one PP and the mazar could do with a trim but the other PP lost almost all it's big fan leaves due to the issue i had the other day so i think that one will be fine,i also plan on getting another oscillating clip on fan have one fan then blowing from the top and one circulating air underneath i'm hoping that will help because of the defoling or lack of it i should say ! lol
 
Virg, looking at you plants I think going into a bigger pot for flower would be a good idea. A pot that is roughly the same diameter as the plant would be prime - probably 25-30 liters. Staying in a smaller pot will make watering and feeding problematic as the flowering plant becomes increasingly root-bound. I'm a big fan of fabric pots and their air-pruning qualities. The biggest bummer about bigger pots is they take a lot of soil. I like 7 or 10 gallon pots. Five gallons is, in my opinion, too small for a soil grow unless you keep the plant very small with a short veg.

If you are careful it is not a problem to top and transplant at close to the same time. Folks get a little wonky when it comes to topping because they think it is "more stressful" than all the bending, roping down, and heavy defoliation methods involved with "low stress training techniques." My view is that topping or doing a FIM is no harder on plants than LST. Someone coined the term LST and it stuck. That doesn't really mean that it is low-stress! One of the most important things to keep in mind when potting-up is you DO NOT WANT to burry the existing stem deeper. I see people bury the stem frequently and it really hurts the plant badly. Jay the arborist will concur. If you want to harm a plant, burry it deeper than it was in the original container when you transplant. You'll also want to score the roots before moving into a bigger pot.

As far as a flush goes before flower, it isn't necessary, but it won't hurt anything either. You will wash out ionized salts. They may not be at damaging levels when you flush, but you will "reset the system" somewhat by doing it. The undesirable elements in the soil will only increase in concentration as the plant continues to metabolize through flower. Flush the existing pots a few days before the transplant and you'll be happy with the results. I tend to flush from the bottom. I put the pot in a bath of RO water that reaches about 2/3 the way up the side of the pot and let them sit in the bath for around 20 minutes. At the same time I add additional water to the top of the pot after about ten minutes. Then I drain the plants well. It is much easier than trying to feed several times the pot volume of water from the top! The water in the tub will soak in and saturate the root zone through the drain holes in the pot - solubilize the nasties, and run out the bottom when you lift the pot out to drain. I use a plastic tote and use a milk crate to drain the plants on.

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If you try this, you are liable to be stunned by how well the plants respond to the deep watering and the washing away of metabolic waste and salts. The plants look incredibly happy within an hour of flushing this way!
 
Great info PeeJay, I just have a couple of questions & I don't think VG will mind if I ask them here, we've been trying to help each other out as much as possible.

Isn't topping considered more of a High Stress Technique?

Now if VG is going to flip in 2 weeks and re-pots into bigger pots like you suggested, would that necessarily increase the height of the plant during the stretch or would the plant concentrate more on spreading the roots out?

I have already contemplated a couple of things that I am going to do differently next go around (Thanks to your advice) & different soil and larger pots are definitely in the picture.
 
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