First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

my last auto is nearly ready to harvest as well, just waiting on the trich to go more amber then ill harvest away, then ill leave the bus that are making seeds on the plant and hopefully get some auto seeds, i now got plenty of seeds to keep me going for a while, will be nice to have some auto seeds, im hoping that some will be auto and should give me a bigger yield due to what ive crossed it with, but i wont know till the seeds are ready, i can see the seed pods splitting so not long to go,

i have now found out how they do it in nature, the seed pods eventually split open and the seeds fall to the floor, the seeds get to big for the pods and they end up splitting then im sure with a gently breeze they would fall to the ground or get eaten and then fall to the ground when they get pooped out, so im pretty sure now that the seeds fall to the floor before the buds do, i found this out by not getting all the seeds out the bud on the sour kush, i soon found a load in the bottom of the cupboard i was drying the buds in, they had all popped out the pods and fell to the floor, i have got hundreds of seeds from the kush, hoping for loads from the auto as well,
 
Don not sure if they sell it over there or not, but the best MASKING agent I know of,is called KNORR or is it KNOX Gelatin, it comes in little packets sold in boxes, it is usually found in the canning section or baking section at the supermarket. I know Marines that use it every time they Pee, and they're dirty as Tijuana Whores most of the time, and it has NEVER FAILED, in the 15 or so years, i have known about People using it. It does not get rid of, just Masks the THC. If you can find it(ASK GROCER) you might have a similair product, if not it, there, i am sure. If you can find it, or an equivalent, let me know and i will tell you how to take it. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.
 
im going to drink plenty between now and then just to make sure, but i have been reading that drinking loads dont help as thc is an oil so water dont affect anything, i was reading a journal a few hours back and their is 2 prescribed tablets for chemo that comes up with a fail for thc, so if i do fail ill tell them i take one of these tablets, i dont think i will fail but if i do ill tell them the names of these tablets, they are to stop sickness and stop losing weight due to this, ill need to check if its prescribed in this country but thats my back up plan if i fail this test, i really really dont think i will fail, im not a heavy user, i only had a spliff or 2 a night so its not like i am smoking all day, but its been a while so i dont think i got anything to worry about, ill make sure i drink plenty before the test so they wont be getting one of the first pisses of the day,
but i cant see me failing this test, i think their looking for people on class a drugs more so im not even sure how strict they will be with cannabis, they may be ok with it, i think its more about how risky someone is with a heavy drug addict, building new cars like that would be a target so i think they want to make sure their is no risk.
Hey DP good to hear from you, just a quick comment on your post there, before you go for your test drink lots and urinate 2-3 times before test, but by doing so your urine will be colour less which is sometimes an indication of dilution to the people administering the test and may raise suspicion, just take a couple vitamin b to enhance colour a couple hours before your test. Also the dirtiest part of your pee is beginning and end so your best chance at the cleanest sample is to take your sample mid-stream only. Me being a "Gaffer" over here in Canada and piss testing on a regular basis as I work in oil refineries all over the world, I have done my homework and fluffed pretty much every piss test I've ever taken. I love the feeling of sticking it to the man by repeatedly passing these tests and still continuing my weed loving life style. STICK IT TO THE MAN DP! Don't let these bastard employers try to control your life outside of work, bad enough they're all over your ass everyday you are AT work. I look at it this way, I'll behave myself at work but don't deprive me of my life after work, some people go home and drink 6 beers after work, I go home and smoke a joint or two. Tell me this, who would you rather go work with (I do very dangerous work as I'm sure a lot of you do as well) the guy that drank 6-12 beers after work, or the guy that smoked a couple joints before bed? I know one thing, the person that smoked is going to work with no hangover, well rested and their belly full alert and ready for work :) GRR I hate that its even legal to do piss tests, its almost an invasion of privacy in my opinion, BUT and an extreme but, if someone comes to work high that's a completely different story. I think piss tests should be reserved for post accident testing only, unfortunately for us THC consumers we can fail weeks after the fact, whereas other more heavy drugs are out of your system in 24-72 hours. They really need to develop a better method to determine last usage a little more accurately, same thing they have for alcohol with breath tests. It sucks having to worry about when your next piss test will be and whether you'll be able to pass it or not, but this has become a part of life for me, and there is no better feeling walking out of your piss test knowing you stuck it to the man as you light up a fat reefer! :rollit::bongrip::ganjamon::Rasta::lot-o-toke::tokin::smokin::hookah::blunt::bong::bigtoke::cough::slide: Sorry for the rant, just something I'm super passionate about......grow on and smoke on Y'ALL, cheers.......Grogr33n :thumb:
 
it all depends on the job, if it requires a decent level of perception or reaction time. like body guards, airplane pilots e.t.c i completely agree with no mind altering chemicals...'the man' might be protection your wife and children from some moron flying a 200 ton plane thats still half cut from the night before.

i strongly believe its the responsibility of the individual to make a choice, do they want to be a stoner or do they want a position of responsibility. i chose a career where i can goto work off my face and smoke at work and the only person im ever likely to hurt is myself.

its not about 'the man', but rather your fellow man ;)
 
it all depends on the job, if it requires a decent level of perception or reaction time. like body guards, airplane pilots e.t.c i completely agree with no mind altering chemicals...'the man' might be protection your wife and children from some moron flying a 200 ton plane thats still half cut from the night before.

i strongly believe its the responsibility of the individual to make a choice, do they want to be a stoner or do they want a position of responsibility. i chose a career where i can goto work off my face and smoke at work and the only person im ever likely to hurt is myself.

its not about 'the man', but rather your fellow man ;)
Good thing I don't do any "mind altering chemicals" I smoke weed, a plant grown from the earth that has little to none mind altering effects. I don't believe there could ever be a day that someone could wake up half cut from smoking some pot the night before lol. Do you? I agree that some work requires a great deal of attention and alertness, I don't condone being high at work at a job that is in any way dangerous or hazardous. I'm strictly talking about after work activities, that in no way are related to work life. We are being drug tested before we even begin work, what does it matter what we did last week? I realize they are trying to filter out habitual hard drug users, but I will never consider weed a drug! Alcohol is more of a drug than weed, its manufactured, where as weed is all naturèl. Drunk people run stop signs, high people wait for it to turn green. :thumb:
 
Good thing I don't do any "mind altering chemicals" I smoke weed, a plant grown from the earth that has little to none mind altering effects.

before i say anything too blunt as is my nature ( i like you and dont want to piss you off), ill just respond to that sentence with a post from one of the top dogs on this site.
Cannabis Facts

I don't believe there could ever be a day that someone could wake up half cut from smoking some pot the night before lol. Do you?

LOL i guess you have never had the kind of sessions i have, im a first hand witness to a weed hangover from myself and smoking buddies in times gone by.

I'm strictly talking about after work activities, that in no way are related to work life.
If you have not researched, or choose to ignore some of the effects that can persist for quite a few hours after consuming weed, then trying to explain something even as trivial as feeling rough at the start of a work day after hitting it hard the night before will mean nothing.

We are being drug tested before we even begin work, what does it matter what we did last week?
On this i agree completely, this IS 'the man' at his finest. yeah sure you can use a superduper test to determine a person was smoking last month, but only a bigot would really care about that.

I will never consider weed a drug! Alcohol is more of a drug than weed, its manufactured, where as weed is all naturèl.
Actually weed is a drug and alcohol is a poison in the technical sense....BUT i absolutly detest when someone uses the word in an ignorant and derogatory way i.e 'he was smoking drugs' few things boil my blood as quickly as that.

and as far as reaction times go, when it comes to something we can predict or calculate, we are no slower than anyone else...the danger of MJ is that we DO react slower to anything unexpected.

im honestly not trying to dis you in any way, but your viewpoint sounds pretty much like my own was before i started reading the mountains of facts this forum has to offer...its a little naive to hold on to such rigid tennants in the face of so much compelling evidence...well thats how i felt right before i let go of my resistance to truth...all i ever wanted before that was to contradict and prove 'the man' was wrong.
 
saftey is a factor and should be the sole factor! but big corp.(insurance co.)stuck its nose in the mess.I agree with grogreen that showing up on any construction site high as cooty brown is dangerous! not only for you but also the ones around.
but most companies do it so they can get reduced insurance costs and to disstance themselves from possible litagation in case something happens.
I worked comercial consrtuction as a carpenter for nearly 30years and have seen folks there do all kinds of prescription meds that make them useless and dangerous but they are allowed to do this because they have a prescription.
I also have known doctors to spark one up after a day of hell and they are some very compatent people on the job. so just because you smoke doesnt mean you are not responsible as long as you can sepperate home life and work life.
give me 48hrs and I will say something else kinda smart:)
 
Touchè, well tell me this Giga, the main reason for my rant earlier on, you don't think that us hard working blue collar men don't deserve to come home after a long days work and smoke a joint, eat dinner and relax? Same way some people come home and unwind with a few cold ones? That was the point and moral behind everything I was saying. I don't do "big sessions" as you stated, I smoke one to two joints a day same as DP, and I can honestly say I've never had a MJ hangover. I think there's a big difference between stoners and medicinal users. Stoners smoke more than they need, medicinal users do just enough. Im in no way a stoner as a matter of fact if i smoke more than i know i can handle it actually enhances my anxiety rather than helping it, which defeats the purpose of why i use this amazing PLANT not drug. :thumb:
 
saftey is a factor and should be the sole factor! but big corp.(insurance co.)stuck its nose in the mess.I agree with grogreen that showing up on any construction site high as cooty brown is dangerous! not only for you but also the ones around.
but most companies do it so they can get reduced insurance costs and to disstance themselves from possible litagation in case something happens.
I worked comercial consrtuction as a carpenter for nearly 30years and have seen folks there do all kinds of prescription meds that make them useless and dangerous but they are allowed to do this because they have a prescription.
I also have known doctors to spark one up after a day of hell and they are some very compatent people on the job. so just because you smoke doesnt mean you are not responsible as long as you can sepperate home life and work life.
give me 48hrs and I will say something else kinda smart:)
Well said fishy, I just like a joint after work, does anybody feel me on this? I've worked 5 years without incident and I've smoked weed for at least 15 years. And if you want to talk about dangerous jobs, my job is in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the world. I'm a reactor entry technician A.K.A. RET and as an RET we wear fresh air supplied helmets that lock onto your head, and make entry into reactor vessels such as hydro crackers, hydro treaters, and other various oil refining tanks via a rope ladder to perform routine maintenance and catalyst change out. The reactors are purged with nitrogen which eliminates all oxygen inside, and the possibly of a flash fire caused by pyroforic catalyst. My life inside those vessels is in the hands of the person running our air trailer and our hole watch, so believe me I know how important it is to have people be on their best game. But after a long day of risking my life, I like to smoke, relax and eat, and get ready to do it again the next day. Is that such a crime?
 
thanks for all the info, ill have a look for that product or something similar, ill google it and check whats in it and then ill have a look for something similar,

so its best i pee a couple of times before this test and take a few vitamins a couple of hours before the test, i got plenty of vitamins, my fiance used to take them regular as she tried to be really healthy and look after herself, ill check the dates on the bottles cuz they been in the back of the cupboard for ages, but they should be ok,

i got to admit when i was younger say 10 years ago i used to by an 1/8th or a 1/4 of an oz a day and smoke it till i could no longer move, when i first started smoking it i remember i felt like i was pissed, it was crazy so i can understand that if someone is not a regular smoker but then gets some damn strong weed then they might not be capable of working safely, but now i only smoke to help with sleeping and anxiety, if i go over the top like say a see a mate ive not seen in ages and we have a good smoke, then when he goes i do sometimes get paranoid and start thinking crazy things like getting busted, but i dont smoke like that very often, say once every few months, basically when an old friend comes to visit me from down south, we used to grow and smoke loads in the past, but we smoked to get high.
things are different now, i got 2 kids, i dont need to smoke to get high, all i do is have a smoke to relax me and help me sleep, i hate taking all the crap the docs give me, the one lot of tablets i was taken made me feel like shit, he never warned me how addictive they was, anyway one day i missed my dose as i was stopping at my moms and had none with me, now that night was the worst night of my life, i had stomach cramps, my bones felt like they was aching, i was going from freezing cold to boiling hot, i sweated loads the bed sheets where dripping, i even noticed some mad smell like rotting flesh, it was horrible, worse feeling ive ever had, and it was these crappy tablets, so this is why i tried cannabis, it helped me sleep, it helped me reduce and come off a lot of the tablets i was on, and it makes me eat more, plus it means i get a good nights sleep and my insomnia dont keep me up all night, so now i have a spliff or 2 at night, i watch a bit of tv and lie down and have a spliff, some nights ill only have one and others i might have 2, just depends what im watching, i dont smoke to get high, its not why i do it, i smoke to relax me and help me unwind and have a good nights sleep, im not a stoner and i dont grow to sell, what i grow i use myself and it will last me till my next harvest,
i was fed up of paying £25 for 2g it was a joke, back in the day you got an 1.8th of bud for £20 and a 1/4 of hash for £10, it was always like that, but now people charge rip of prices even if its some shitty weed, thats why i started growing, i can stop wasting money on crap and produce my own meds, this is all im trying to do, it helps me unwind and sleep, i dont smoke in the day when my kids are around, i dont smoke to get wasted, it just helps me sleep and i get a good nights sleep and dont feel shitty the next day.

thanks for all the info on the piss test, i think i should pass its been around 2 weeks since my last smoke so i honestly think ill be ok, im not even sure if they strict on weed, it might just be hard drugs their looking for, but i didnt want to take the risk so i stopped smoking till after the test, ill have a look for the product james mentioned but if i cant find it then im not to worried, its not like i smoke an 1/8th a day, plus in the UK when we roll a joint we use half a cig and sprinkle some bud on top, so its not like their is loads of bud in each joint, so i think ill be ok, ive been active and riding my bike a lot off road and i walk my dog for a good 2 hours a day so i think im pretty much ok for doing the test. it is invasive and wrong i know, alcohol is far worse and id rather work with someone who had a smoke the night before than someone who stinks of beer and feels like shit,

my test is first thing mon morning at 8:30 so ill make sure im up early and ill pop some vitamins and have a piss or 2 before i go, but i think ill pass with no problems, if i dont then ill argue my case, plus ive been reading about some prescribed drugs that contain thc, they give these to chemo patients to stop them been sick, but they also give it to people who cant keep food down or put weight on, and as im a skinny lad i think i could probably pull that one off, so if i fail thats what ill say, but seriously i dont think i will fail, its been a good while since my last smoke and ive been very active, ill let you all know when i get back how it went, i will question the test before taking because i honestly think its wrong, but working where ill be working i suppose they dont want to take risk, ill be putting other peoples lives in my hands, ill be building cars and people will drive these, so any mistakes could cost the company thousands.

ill reps you all if it lets me, thanks everyone, i give reps to everyone it let me, but if you never got reps ill try again in a day or 2, im always spreading the love just seems like their is some sort of time before you can reps the same person, i think its around 2 or 3 days, cuz say i gave GiGa reps today and then i gave 10 other people reps, then it still wont let me give GiGa reps again, so i think its more time related than spreading it around, just stops people giving the same person reps over and over again
 
here is the info about the drugs that contain thc, both these will make you fail a drug test, but they are prescribed drugs, the only problem is if they ask for a prescription to check then im screwed, but im not to worried i should pass with no problems, just some info for you lot to ponder over, in case anyone else is tested and needs to explain why thc showed up in their urine
 
might help if i posted the info, i would blame it on the weed but i not had any for a couple of weeks
I spent years under the threat of random urinalysis and last year I was finally able to get control of the situation, pass the drug and background tests without even having to stop enjoying all things Weed. I engaged with a decent doctor who was very accommodating to my needs because I had a documented history of chronic pain and nausea - which caused me to lose over 60 pounds in three years and would have killed me if it weren't for Weed helping me.

Anyway, she (the doctor) provided me with two different THC-based prescriptions AND one MMJ certificate for use in Maine dispensaries, etc. When I took my piss test last year, all I needed to do was to list the prescription information and they didn't even ask me on follow-up question about the results.

The prescriptions I got were:

Dronabinol 6.5 Mg
Cesamet 1Mg

The latter is supposed to be CBD-rich, in addition to the standard THC dose.

Neither medicine provides any relief for my symptoms; they are so weak, a regular Weed smoker would not even notice their effects. The only benefit I get is from the illusion of legality they provide because if I test positive for THC, I can point straight to them as a legal excuse. I hope it works like that every time I need to pass a urine test - however, if they do a blood test (very rare) they can tell the difference and identify other incriminating traces.

This is what I did; your results may vary.
 
here is the info about the drugs that contain thc, both these will make you fail a drug test, but they are prescribed drugs, the only problem is if they ask for a prescription to check then im screwed, but im not to worried i should pass with no problems, just some info for you lot to ponder over, in case anyone else is tested and needs to explain why thc showed up in their urine

Hey DP I have found that if you start making things up that thing only get worse from there.
I know that you would like a good back up story but dont dig a hole.
maybe at the most you could use the second hand smoke thing. but I think that the mind has powers over the body so If you believe you will pass then keep that thought!
AND i'AM HOPING FOR YOU AS I AM SURE EVERYONE HERE IS TOO:goodluck:
 
Touchè, well tell me this Giga, the main reason for my rant earlier on, you don't think that us hard working blue collar men don't deserve to come home after a long days work and smoke a joint, eat dinner and relax? Same way some people come home and unwind with a few cold ones? That was the point and moral behind everything I was saying. I don't do "big sessions" as you stated, I smoke one to two joints a day same as DP, and I can honestly say I've never had a MJ hangover. I think there's a big difference between stoners and medicinal users. Stoners smoke more than they need, medicinal users do just enough. Im in no way a stoner as a matter of fact if i smoke more than i know i can handle it actually enhances my anxiety rather than helping it, which defeats the purpose of why i use this amazing PLANT not drug. :thumb:

Yes my friend, im all in favour of us being able to come home and smoke weed, from my own personal point of view, i would love it if alcohol and tobbaco were banned and weed became the preffered replacement.
Im just playing devils advocate. 'the man' will always be there, and there will always be ways we can stick it to him. im just opening up the whole situation, because as you have said, certain people such as yourself and Donpaul are very moderate smokers, just as there are moderate drinkers who never do anyone but themselves any harm...but there are also millions of smokers that smoke way to much to hold positions of responsibility. it doesnt matter if its because they are a waste of space, or that they have an addictive personality, or like in my case, the scars they carry on the inside dont stop hurting till you reach a certain saturation level (bluntly, im a bastard when my cannabinoid are low. im a dysphoric, which means that everyone is an idiot and whenever they do something wrong, its done just to piss ME off), now im not sure what particular compound helps alleviate my issue, but its non existent while im actually smoking and if i smoke enough, its not an issue for up to 2 days afterwards.

the problem is a bit more complicated than just 'the man' trying to ruin our fun. the very fact that most of us are on this forum already means we are giving the finger to the man....but with great power comes great responsibility and all that and its up to us as a community to now self regulate. and the fact is there is a huge amount of us that dont smoke a tiny little bit and genuinly ARE a risk to society if we cheat and take on jobs that need the sharpest of minds and the steadiest of hands. and because we are all in defiance of the man already then its up to us to say hang on a minuite, that isnt actually very cool.

just imagine an air traffic controller thats very busy, he knows that two planes are about to occupy the same air parking cycle, but first needs to deal with a more imminent plane thats landing on empty, and then the other problem falls into a memory hole, one that is cause by just a small amount of cannabinoids still in the system short circuiting the short term memory...

The biggest problem of course is the fact that our beautiful plant is illegal and as such we have barely scratched the R&D surface. and that one day we will have a strain that is loaded with antipsychotics, doesnt affect memory or reaction times, is very mild in strength with no post use side effects and comes in several brands for raising ones mood or imagination or helping one to sleep. i would LOVE a half dozen very weak fully legal strains that you could consume all day every day and it not be considered a risk of any kind.

fact is tho that this does occour and while some people may very well be mild smokers and totally harmless, there are a lot of rules that are in place that should be in place, there are also some rules that are totally bloody stupid and need changing.

if i was in a position as a business owner to need to consider drug tests...i wouldnt be interested in IF a person smoked, but rather how much and i would (of course =D) sit on a board with some fellow researchers and actually test the employment positions i had availible and grade them by their ability to be done safely whilst you do have cannabis in your system.

i suppose my vehemence was about the 'the man' bit... we cant blame everything on him, we need to take responsibility for our own community and be honest about the fact that some situations are plain and simply NOT OK. and we should not need the man to protect us from ourselves.
 
Hey it's been a while! I only got a second but you need to buy some fake pee they gotta have it over there. Check smoke shops or something. You won't be able to pass a test if you smoked only two weeks ago! The fake pee always works and its easy to use! Have to go right now but ill be back soon!
 
im no machine, i just really need this job, ive done well to get this far, i had a 3 hour online assesment to do where i had to look at 2 different sets of symbols and numbers and letters and i had to choose if they was the same of different, all this was time related and i had to do over 150 questions in a certain amount of time, the questions where like this
A) a1"@.,.@#2fe4 B)a1"@.,,.@#2fe4
and the question was press 1 if these are the same, press 2 if their not.
other questions where like this

A) 21423471
AFDFYUP
question was like take the number above D and add 3 now take the letter below that and using the alphabet what letter comes 2 before that.
these questions went on for over an hour, i had to answer them in a certain amount of time, most people failed the online part, when i went to the interview their was only 10 of us their out of 500 who applied, so when i got their i had to do a manual assesment, this was bull shit, they had a shell of a car and inside this car was 3 different coloured patches, one where the dashboard should be, one where the door pillow is and one on the roof, so then they gave you an instruction seat and it said pick up the blue and green magnet and using the mat enter the car from the driver side and place the blue magnet in its place first then the green then get out the car and enter the other side and take the magnets out in the order you placed them, then go back to the workbench and pick up the red magnet and so on, basically it was making sure you could enter the vehicle safely and follow written instructions, this was all timed, plus you had to get in the car safely by holding the frame of the car while you got in and using the mat to sit on before sticking the magnets where they go, this went of for a while with different tasks, i think it was more to test if you could follow orders and work safely without putting yourself at risk,
then we went into another room where it had an assembly bench, i had the front of a car and had to fit the brake master cylinder, brake pedal, brake pipes and brake light switch, they gave us the instructions on how to do this and told us to read, then they took them away and told us to do the work in the order we just read, i was then the only one that passed, but im a mechanic so i know the order in which to do it so its the easiest way to do it, and this is what was written on the card, so i done all this, then their was another online test at the placement then we finished and was told if we was successful then we would be contacted,
i was contacted a couple of days later and they told me i had passed the test and to come back on the 8th and make sure im dressed smart and i will be interviewed by bosses at the company and a drug test taken.

so i made it that far and when they told me about the drug test i new that if i was going to get this job i had to stop smoking weed and that was the only way id pass this test,

the tests are pointless and anyone could work it out given enough time, but they did not give you enough time, we had a few seconds for each question and i just done the best i could, and it seems i did enough to pass these tests, so when i go back on the 8th i got to speak to the bosses and do this drug test, then all been well i should get the start date.

but i made it this far so couldnt mess up by failing this test, loads of people didnt make it as far as me, most failed the mechanical side of things, they read through the work sheet thinking they could follow it while doing the work, but after they gave us a few minutes to read it they came and collected the work sheet, if i had not done this kind of work before i would of failed, so for anyone who is not mechanically minded it would of been a hard test to do, i think their just looking for people they dont need to give much training to, bit unfair really as anyone could do the work if they was shown a few times.

but i got to admit its been hard not having my nightly smoke, it wouldnt be so bad if i had no bud, but i got a few jars full of bud and cant touch any of it, thats even harder knowing that,

but getting this job will mean ill have no more money worries and i can start to live a bit, its good money for the type of work and it will be a secure job, if i dont get the job then ill look for something else but so far so good, i really dont think ill fail this test, i am not really bothered about taking it because i honestly think ive left it long enough and im active enough to of got it out my system, i think the only reason i wont get the job is if i fail this test, ill know monday morning if i fail or not, but i didnt smoke an 1/8th a day so i should be ok,
 
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