First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

i think them trich bags are the normal ones with the mesh just at the bottom, you put the 3 bags inside each other then pour the ice and water and trim mixture in to it then keep mixing it up then you strain one bag at a time the top back would remove all the trim and bigger pieces then the other bags will collect the trichs depending on size would depend on quality, but ive seen people use 8 bags at the same time, in fact jorge cervantes used about 8 bags in his grow dvd, he mashed all the stuff up in a big bucket then poured it into another bucket that had the bags in and strained it through the bags, i dont think the sides of the bag let anything out you just keep rinsing with water to get anything off the sides and only the water and smaller pieces would fall through into the next size bag then you strain it again, this should give 2 or 3 different hash mixtures and one would be better than the other, it seems like an easy way to me, you just scraped off what was in the bottom of the bag and place it on something like cardboard to dry,

its something im not ready for yet, i dont have enough trim, but over time ill build it up and im sure ill have enough sooner than i think
 
ok jim, ill check after res change, should it change that much, im suprised its in that range as i do nothing to it, i dont really empty it that often, i have topped it up with nutrient mix and it seems ok, like i said im not bothered if it makes it or not, if it does its a bonus but im not going mad about it, i have had to adjust the aerogarden the pump was pumping to much liquid to the medium and was causing slime to build up on the stem, so i disconected the pump and fitted an air stone, so all i do now is run the pump for an hour or so every couple of days, but i have the air stone running 24/7 and the plant seems to be liking the air more than the pump, i think the pump was drowning the plant and causing problems, since stopping the pump and using just the air the plant is now ok and no slime anywhere, it was starting to work up the stem but it stopped as soon as i turned the pump off, so its more of a bubble grow now,
 
I have 8 bag set and as you say, I freeze all my trim then put my bags in bucket, fill it with ice and trim. I then pour over ice cold water to fill the gaps and give it a good mix for 20 mins. You then pull the top bag with the leaf and rubbish. each bag is a different grade of hash.
You don't get much of each grade with so many bags and it just seems pointless unless you have 10's of ounces to use.

When i make ice hash now I use two buckets and 4 of the 8 bags.

I freeze trim still and add trim/ice/ice water to bucket but without the bags. this way you can use a drill with a mixing end and not damage anything. give it a real good mix then i have the 2nd bucket with 220/120/75/25 bags inside and just pour the mix into the bags everything in top two bags gets thrown away and i have two grades of hash, a robust daytime joint booster and a top shelf 70%+ one hit wonder like what they sell in dam at 50euro a gram.:thumb:

I'm not 100% on the microns of the bags since mine are colour coded from a no name brand and i lost the paperwork for them years ago lol. also i have to gumby the bucket after since they leak thc through the cheap stitching.
 
thanks mate, sounds like a better idea than having loads of bags, on the dvd i watched they used some hand cake blender thing to blend it all together before pouring through the bags, ill possibly strain out the biggest stuff with a flour shifter or something like that to remove the big bits making sure no trichs get stuck on them in the bags then strain the rest, i was thinking about getting 3 bags to collect the trichs and 1 to collect that waste the first time round, the other 3 would be to collect hash, well thats my plan anyway.

but i got a few more grows to go before i start thinking about hash making, im just thinking about the bags as i should be getting money back from my electric supplier cuz i found out since jan 2011 i have been paying extra each time i top up as i have been paying the old tennants debt, guess that will teach me to not use the electric key that was all ready their, anyway their sending me out a check when they figured out how much it is, i think i been paying £3 per week so that adds up since jan 2011 to a couple of weeks ago, so most of that will go towards my next bon shipment and im thinking about spending the rest on trich bags so i have got them when i need them. but its no guarantee that will happen just yet, i got a while to go before i got enough trim to use, only had a small amount of trim from the nl x bb so will need a few more grows yet before i got enough to use,

thanks mate for the info
 
just found the sizes of my bags and i was totally off! I use 220 as trash bag at top, 160 as 2nd trash bag NOT 120! and this is size I think you should use if you go for just one bag(160 no confusion). my bottom bags are 120(low grade hash)/90(the gooood stuff) then I get a little bit of hash when I syphon the bucket at the end. normally ok hash but not as good as the 90 bag for some reason. I'm sure this is the best way to get the maximum from your plants.
 
k thanks, i think you covered something jorge said in his dvd, one the trichs get to small the quality gets less so the smallest size bag would contain mainly broken trichomes and not full ones so this would make the quality slightly less, ill try and find the part in his dvd where he compares the hash at different sizes and see how that compares to yours, sounds about right though to me, he used 8 bags but said 3 or 4 would do just as good as the first couple of bags contained loads of plant matter, still smokable but not the best as most trichs would fall through the bag if it was mixed up properly, the best bag was i think the 2nd from the bottom as this contained very little plant matter and whole trichs, where as the bag below contained damaged trichs lowering the quality,

ill see what sizes they sell and compare that to what you was using and see what price i can get them for, it is something i want to try, i have only ever smoked that dark commercial hash that you have to burn to be able to sprinkle it, very poor quality, surely if you make hash it should be as strong as smoking the bud shouldnt it as you are only smoking the trichomes without the plant matter, i just want to try some proper hash without all the chemicals and plastic and old records in it, some nasty stuff goes around, sells for £10 per 1/4 here, somes ok but the rest is not worth touching, i only smoke it if a mate has got some and says its good, if not i dont buy it i see it a waste unless their is nothing else to smoke, so id like to try and make my own and see how it compares, it wont be anytime soon but if i can get enough trim to give me about 1/4 of hash then i can try it and see how it compares to commericial grade hash
 
the commercial crap has all a lot of plant matter if they haven't added any like sawdust and henna. even bubble hash goes hard and need working or burning to sprinkle into a joint. when it's wet it's like squidgy black but lighter. I used to grow a lot of weed (till i was caught) and sell a lot of hash. We made hash with silk screens back then and it gets a lot of green matter in it but without a washing machine and a chest freezer bubble hash wasn't viable. the plastic comes from the pressing and is very hard to not get plastic within the hash when making big blocks.

I find the 90 micron bag hash is just plain knock out what ever strain I use, wake in my bed with half a joint stuck to my face but if you really wanna go sleep quick make a batch of BHO and pipe or bong it. you don't need as much trim for BHO and the honeybee tube is under £20 delivered.
 
ill look into that, sounds interesting, the commercial stuff aint good at the best of times, sometimes its ok and a nice light colour, but i have had some stuff in the past that when you burned it it just went into hard lumps that couldnt be sprinkled, then these turned into hot rocks and burned holes in anything they landed on, wrecked loads of clothes smoking crap like that, its nice when a decent bit of squidgy black comes around but its not often, most of the time its just average and smokable but it can be pretty nasty some of the time, its why i stopped smoaking hash a while back, but making my own would be pure hash and have nothing mixed in, ive heard they use fuel oil to mix with it and bulk it up, not sure how much truth in it but its what i have heard, ive never made my own hash so will give it a try when i can.

i was going to try the silk screens and shake it over a big mirror, and then scrape it all up, would mean it dont get wet, but as most of the trichs are stuck to the leaves and buds then i dont think you would get the most trichs per gram sort of thing so thats why i headed towards trich bags, seems an easier way and more likely to get the most trichs per gram.


does anyone have any ideas about the kush ive got in flower, it did give orange hairs about a week ago but they seemed to have stopped and started growing white hairs again, on the buds i get the all the orange hairs at the base of the bud and these have retracted onto the bud but the top of the bud has got white pistils still, pretty much all the trichs are cloudy and everywhere i have the scope i can always pick out a few orange trichs, also the trichs are that packed together now its hard to tell them apart, plus i do think the buds have stopped growing, 2 weeks ago the buds got really fat and it seems the last 7 days nothing has changed, i can leave it a lot longer if needed but am i going to gain anything by leaving it longer, im in no rush to harvest just dont want to risk getting pm issues or any other issues that could be caused by leaving it to long.

i also just weighed the nl x bb and its pretty much dry so gone into curring now, i got just over an oz of dried buds, plus what i quick dried i recon all together it gave me back about 1 1/4 oz of dry buds, not much but no bad for my first go in 9 years,

the kush will yield a lot less but these buds are 3 times the size width wise but the buds are shorter, and the kush has got loads more trichs on it so im thinking its going to be a nice smoke, when i touch the buds it has sort of a earthy chocolately smell to it, very strange smell, not skunky like the nl x bb more of an earthy musky smell, smells very nice, cant wait till i can smell it when its been dried and curred,
 
?bho mate, cant think what you mean by bho,
 
You'd be surprised how much the fatter buds will weigh if they are dense. My two 2L's almost weighed as much as I got off my first soil WW that I harvested.

I'm telling you though, check the pH when you mix up the nutrients and don't worry about the runoff a whole lot. I never mix according to the runoff, if it's wayyyyyyy off when I check the runoff then I give a good flush because there is obviously some build up (I only check the runoff every 2-3 weeks and it's always perfect).

On all my 2L and regular DWC I only encounter the pH being thrown off if the plant is not happy and the pH can jump in an hour. However, since all my environmental conditions are pretty much right where they need to be I never adjust the pH inside my reservoirs it stays right on 5.8 and never budges till I do a res change. I know others have problems. If you see the bud still putting on size then keep going, if you want a couch lock stone then you can always wait til you have 10-20% of the trichs turn amber. Cloudy is good though if they're all cloudy. Really up to you DP..
 
ill take sum pics when i get back.

thanks tesmp, thanks for the advice mate, ill check the trichs again when i get back

ill check that info nlnovice, thanks mate, reps my friend.

i did see loads of vids of that BHO, didnt know what you was refering to till you just said, i seen them do it with small pop bottles and poke holes in the bottom and spray lighter fluid through the lid and collect the run off, it seemed like a good idea, it gives oil and not actual hash, but it did looks like a very easy and in-expensive way of collecting the trichs, its something i will need to sort out nearer the time.

@Curso, give me a shout when you got your journal up and running and ill come over and have a look, thanks for coming over,

thanks everyone,
 
hey donpaul sorry I havnt been around buddy. been hell busy with school work. lol but just wanted to stop in to see how everything growin? How much those buds end up weighing dry? Sry Im high and don't want to search just yet :X I gotta get caught up! :Namaste:
 
no probs deege, thanks miwa for the link ill have a look,

well weights for the nl x bb is 24g dry, so nothing special, plus i recon i fast dried about a 1/4 and the smaller buds went in the trim box.

i just got back and checked my kush, i pulled one of the lower buds as it was resting on a bigger bud and i found mold, so i decided to chop it before it spread, i didnt find any anywhere apart from where them 2 bids touched, i checked the trichs all over the plant and was getting about 20% orange and wilted, was hoping for more of a couch lock and could of left it a few more days but i didnt want to risk anymore pm, so i chopped it and hung it to dry, now i thought id get a lot less than the nl x bb, but looking at the buds and feeling the weight has me changing my mind, i think i will get more off this as the buds are solid and twice as fat as the nl x bb so ill see how the drying goes and weight it then, ill weight it tomorrow and get wet weight,

so here is what im left with.
1 x 2ltr dwc hempie, ak47 cross uk cherry cheese, well in flower got a few weeks left but the bud is going to be huge by the looks of it and just looking at it tells me its going to weight more than what i got off the kush and the nl x bb, so i think the 2ltr hempie is going to be the winner here.
also in flower i have got the 2 auto's. g13 is well in flower now small buds forming, the auto bomb is still growing and is throwing loads of white hairs now so should be starting flower soon as its about time,

so thats what i have got in flower.

now for veg.
so far i have got 1 x nl x bb fem clones, 8 nodes high, ill try this strain again adjusting the ph and see if it changes the results as it smokes ok so wont mind another round of this, all ready its growing better than the mother plant, its taller than the mother plant was when i flipped it to 12-12, so ill let the side branches grow and flower it as is, no training nothing.

so thats in veg
also in veg i have 2 x ak47 x uk cherry cheese clones, these are still small and in small pots, not sure what i want with these, im hoping to have 3 decent size plants and a couple of hempies, i also have another nl x bb and 1 x kush so to put it in a list i have the following in veg.
2 x nl x bb fem clones,
2 x ak47 x uk cherry cheese clones fem
1 x special kush clone fem
1 x delicious fruity chronic juice, from seed femenised, so my plan is to do the following.
in 3 x 3 gallon pots i will have the following
1 x nl x bb fem clone in 3gallon pot
1 x ak47 x uk cherry cheese in 3 gallon pot, the buds look amazing on the hempie so want to grow a normal plant,
1 x delicious fruity chronic juice in 3 gallon pot, new strain so prefer to have a big plant to decide if i like it or not.
so them 3 will be in the big pots.
then im left with 2 clones, 1 x ak47 cross and a nl x bb fem, these will be 2ltr hempies unless plans change and i decide to soak another seed, im trying to find something that smells really fruity and tastes real sweet, so im hoping the chronic juice will give me that, if not ill try something next time round, i have got other seeds i can soak but not sure what each strain, if i never had the clones i would soak some more seeds, but i may as well use what i got, i wont be taking any more clones from the nl x bb and the kush, this will be the last time i grow this strain, not to impressed with yield plus id like to try something else till i find something im blown away with, would love a nice purple strain at some point, im holding out on the ak47 till i can test it after its harvested then ill make my mind up about cloning that again or not, so looks like im moving into the next grow, my clones are alive and growing, my seed has broke soil and is now growing, ill start day 1 of veg as the day it shows its first proper leaves, im not to bothered about recording the veg time but the flower ill be taking more notes and keeping better records so i know how long its been since flipping the lights.

so for now im just waiting on the monster bud of the ak47 hempie to finish off then ill flip my lights back to veg, then ill be starting the next round of veg number 2 and flower number 2, i will still try autos along the way but, but for now im chuffed with what i have got, im more than happy with the smoke quality of the nl x bb so only time will tell on the kush, i kept a small bud out for myself to try and dry quick so i can have a test of it, but it looks better and has more trichs than the nl x bb,

thanks for all your input in this first go round,
 
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