Feral's Journal Of Insanity & Some Growing

Be good if they stabilised strains before the market too. Haha. Imagine if I had to buy 10 ford vehicles to find one that works properly. Or may or may not have a radio.
Oh my. I want a magical pheno.




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If you want a car buy a car, if you want all the possibilitys buy reputable hybrid f1s that are breed from p1 stock, not poly hybrids. if you want a clone of anothers choice with less vigour buy a stabalized f5 fem (whatever that's called:rofl:) .. horses for courses.. less vigour yield and strength but hell yeah let's get stabiluszed strains :rofl::rofl: oh and what do they pas on to off spring, more vigour :rofl:
 
Landraces be fun to play with but time consuming and space-amount needed..
 
With the fords im pretty sure you would have to buy more than 10 to find a good one :rofl: to me stabilising a strain doesn't mean narrowing it down to one pheno, its weeding out the bad phenos and hermy prone phenos :thumb: pretty hard to do when talking feminised strains, always going to be that chance ;)

Id love to have a play around with a few landrace strains at some point, got so many others to get through first, maybe one day down the track hehe
 
Well how many do you test drive? Don't buy first car you see..
 
FeralA9X said:
With the fords im pretty sure you would have to buy more than 10 to find a good one :rofl:

to me stabilising a strain doesn't mean narrowing it down to one pheno, its weeding out the bad phenos and hermy prone phenos:thumb:


pretty hard to do when talking feminised strains, always going to be that chance ;)

Id love to have a play around with a few landrace strains at some point, got so many others to get through first, maybe one day down the track hehe
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Yes, that word stabilised has so many different meanings..
 
A strain that has 70%+ of the plants showing the desired traits a breeder was breeding it for.. then find the best out of that lot.. but when I read it, I sometimes interpret as people wanting a replica/clone in all their plants 90%+. Which you can have , just with less vigour yield strength etc..
 
Thing is, there's one best plant always.. the best one out of your ten.. one best out of 100.. the one best out of 1000.. now if only I can get the best out of 1000 in my first ten :rofl::rofl: but it's personal choice at the order the plants are in...:passitleft:
 
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The more opinions and insight I have the more i learn, that's all. I'm going off the feminised wagon, cause I'm now convinced nothing good can come of it. But for breeding Ian this point in time I believe you (I) need 2 stable strains. Or it's just bedlam. Then a good F1 with vigour and then clone as long as I can. My mates been cloning a awesome widow for 20y but it's turned to shit. So I must have a biological clock just like the rest of living organisms. (He's going to try my candy clone for now). I also r clone you could cross a stable strain with a F1 if you would be happy to have the full traits of either of the f1s parents. It's all rather subjective i know. And there is no definative answer. But there can be some logic to it. I'm not trying to razz anyone's feathers, just interested.
Hope your stuffs going good anyway. Looking forward to seeing the flower room kicking again.


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AussieBlueTHC said:
The more opinions and insight I have the more i learn, that's all. I'm going off the feminised wagon, cause I'm now convinced nothing good can come of it. But for breeding Ian this point in time I believe you (I) need 2 stable strains. Or it's just bedlam. Then a good F1 with vigour and then clone as long as I can. My mates been cloning a awesome widow for 20y but it's turned to shit. So I must have a biological clock just like the rest of living organisms. (He's going to try my candy clone for now). I also r clone you could cross a stable strain with a F1 if you would be happy to have the full traits of either of the f1s parents. It's all rather subjective i know. And there is no definative answer. But there can be some logic to it. I'm not trying to razz anyone's feathers, just interested.
Hope your stuffs going good anyway. Looking forward to seeing the flower room kicking again.


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The best info i have found out there on breeding has been on the mns forum, id also recommend checking out cubing, the method Mr Soul uses from brothers grimm to stabilise his strains :thumb: would have been a good way to replicate the WW before it went to shit ;)
 
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Yeah but he only had a female clone. I'm only helping out so he owes me one. And I will b able to get a clone of my candy back if I want. Outsourcing my veg capacity incognito .;)


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Here is their breeding method ;)

I wanted to create a strain that would allow me to share Princess with others, but I wanted this incredible “Holy Grail” of indoor clones available to the world in SEED form.- I decided to use a technique called “cubing” to create the seeds.- Here’s how cubing works:

- Pollinate a flowering clone of the chosen female with the pollen of a related male, preferably her father or a brother – to preserve any female traits that are linked to the male side of the family. An unrelated male won’t have the Y-chromosome of the chosen female’s family & therefore any Y-linked traits of the family will always be missing in the seed line. The resulting seeds contain 1/2 the original female’s genes and 1/2 those of the male.
Grow the above seeds & flower them.

- Pollinate a flowering clone of the chosen female with pollen from a male selected from the above group. These seeds contain 1/2 the chosen female’s genes plus 1/4 more from the male being 1/2 her genetics too. I call this first back-cross generation .75 to capture the idea that it’s 3/4 of the original female’s genetics.
Grow the above seeds & flower them.

- Pollinate a flowering clone of the chosen female, using a selected male from the above generation. These seeds contain 7/8 the original genes (1/2+3/8), so this second back-cross is the .88 generation.
Grow the above seeds & flower them.

- Pollinate a flowering clone of the original female with pollen from a selected male off the above generation. These seeds contain 15/16 the original genes (1/2+7/16), in other words, so we’ll call this third back-cross the “.94” generation.

Theoretically, this will be a stable, true-breeding seed line from which all females are replicas of the original. Cinderella 99 seeds are created from a male P94 crossed to Princess, which is technically P97.
In the process of “cubing” Princess I wanted to add a little strength to her branches because the buds were always so heavy at harvest that the branches flopped over. To do that, I crossed a male from a heavy-yielding, dense, resinous strain, Sensi’s Shiva Skunk. Crossing that male to Princess created the “P.50” generation (using the shorthand notation I developed to indicate the fraction of Princess genes in the cross).
Each generation is the result of crossing a male from the previous generation to Princess herself.

Here’s a blow-by-blow description of the generations as they tested in my garden:

P.50 = Heavy, single-cola type plants with mellow high (too much influence from the Shiva Skunk) Sweet fruity scent/flavor. Unstable in most traits – for example, 10 days’ difference in fastest/slowest maturation period in a group of 20 seedlings.

P.75 = Princess floral cluster and bud structure, scent/flavor turned more “tropical” like pineapple. The stability was becoming better – two major phenotypes; short & dense (potent too) or tall/HUGE (less potent).

P.88 = Renamed Cinderella 88 when first released on the market. It grows fast and produces excellent yields of FROSTY buds in 7 weeks! Generally uniform seedlings with minor differences in floral formation and some height variance, but the smoke is quite consistent from all plants – Dense, heavy nuggets of fruity scented & flavored (like wild berries) and covered in resin glands, the dried buds have distinctly ORANGE pistils.

And finally, the male P.94 cross to the Princess clone creates Cinderella 99. The name “Cinderella” was chosen because of the parallels between this story and the well-known fairy tale in which Cinderella becomes a Princess despite her humble beginning.

Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency: P.50 was rather mellow, P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavor, Cinderella 88 is cerebral and paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavor, and Cinderella 99 is of course renowned for the fruity flavor and speedy, scary high inherited from Princess.
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It's funny I woke up the other night and wondered how they got the other parent for these reg seeds I just ordered. Then I saw the afghani in ther the doubledaeg. Then a few more gens of chem on top. Same sort of thingy right.
I've read the curbing thing heaps of times. It is a great way of explaining it.


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