u ever used sohum living soil?
Hi MarK, thank you so much! They're getting big! Almost topping time, this FRIDAY!!!
I missed Limelight? Do you remember her? My prior NYC Diesel?
Oh no. Did you check with WSE? I need to look, I may have a couple seeds left?
You didn't?!?! Yippee, that's amaze balls. You are going to love the skippity skip the strain provides. Even for an Indica girl, that's one of my favorite sativas, just really gets you up and moving but not in a manic way, a very clear and focused super high.And, as a nod to you, I also bought some Zombie Death Fuck seeds.
Omg!!! Yaaay!!! She is inspiring in and of itself!!!! Absolutely beautiful HG. Love the thought you put into picking the most perfect name for her
I'm going to go over and attach myself to your current grow, my eye has been giving me fits the last week and finally a couple days ago I went to the walk in for it and I follow up with my ophthalmologist tomorrow morning or I would be caught up already on journals by now. So upset about that but no need to rush, I'm here for good so I have all the time in the world to get caught up, just going to take me longer. I wish I had been able to catch yours sooner, or start growing earlier so our DPs would be twinsies but that's OK! I'll catch up, promise!Here's my lady, Dumi, which is an African girl's name that means "one who inspires others; they are powerful". She's 87 days old here:
Would it spoil the party to know what strains? I know you will list your super soil ingredients, I want to take note. Not now, but absolutely in the future when I retire on some property and have my greenhouses and acreage, I want to do it all from scratch, self sustain as much as I possibly can. Have a few separate lists going titled "Off-The-Grid Living", super soil is on there...
Patience is a virtue and in this particular case, will absolutely pay off. You will be reaping the rewards of this bloodline for years to come but you know that already, hence why you are doing it in the first place. I would like to do similar but I just find that by constantly changing what I'm smoking, I never get immune to it so to speak. I couldn't just grow 5 of the same and only smoke that, my body gets used to it. But to constantly have a super special pheno to lean on is comforting as well. I am excited to see what you do, please remember to tag me in brother.
I never have but I only hear great things. Like I said to Keff, it's definitely on my future to-do list.
Looking good Jersey. CLHi MarK, thank you so much! They're getting big! Almost topping time, this FRIDAY!!!
I missed Limelight? Do you remember her? My prior NYC Diesel?
Oh no. Did you check with WSE? I need to look, I may have a couple seeds left?
Moby Dick?! @Bode Loves Mobstah-a combo of Moby Dick and Lobstah I believe! Blue Dream is always a good choice and I happen to have some courtesy Mobstah regular seeds that I was planning on trying outdoors this year until everything happened but next year, come Spring, I plan on trying my hands with it. Want to make Bode proud!
You didn't?!?! Yippee, that's amaze balls. You are going to love the skippity skip the strain provides. Even for an Indica girl, that's one of my favorite sativas, just really gets you up and moving but not in a manic way, a very clear and focused super high.
Omg!!! Yaaay!!! She is inspiring in and of itself!!!! Absolutely beautiful HG. Love the thought you put into picking the most perfect name for her
I'm going to go over and attach myself to your current grow, my eye has been giving me fits the last week and finally a couple days ago I went to the walk in for it and I follow up with my ophthalmologist tomorrow morning or I would be caught up already on journals by now. So upset about that but no need to rush, I'm here for good so I have all the time in the world to get caught up, just going to take me longer. I wish I had been able to catch yours sooner, or start growing earlier so our DPs would be twinsies but that's OK! I'll catch up, promise!
Would it spoil the party to know what strains? I know you will list your super soil ingredients, I want to take note. Not now, but absolutely in the future when I retire on some property and have my greenhouses and acreage, I want to do it all from scratch, self sustain as much as I possibly can. Have a few separate lists going titled "Off-The-Grid Living", super soil is on there...
Patience is a virtue and in this particular case, will absolutely pay off. You will be reaping the rewards of this bloodline for years to come but you know that already, hence why you are doing it in the first place. I would like to do similar but I just find that by constantly changing what I'm smoking, I never get immune to it so to speak. I couldn't just grow 5 of the same and only smoke that, my body gets used to it. But to constantly have a super special pheno to lean on is comforting as well. I am excited to see what you do, please remember to tag me in brother.
I never have but I only hear great things. Like I said to Keff, it's definitely on my future to-do list.
So hey there guys and gals? Sorry I was out of the loop for the past couple of days. As I mentioned to super wonderful HG, my eye has been bothering me since my parents were here and 3 days ago it just took a turn for the worst. Entire eye swollen, felt bruised, twitched whenever I tried to focus, floaters, double vision, super red, broken blood vessesls, you name it. Got a follow up tomorrow, was only able to hit the walk in this weekend. Gave me some steroid and numbing drops and some antibiotic eye cream. Better enough that I am on here posting but still not great.
Managed to write up, type up my latest review yesterday but it took me literally all day because I had to keep giving my eye breaks in between.
With the doc appointment in the morning and my need to get back onto journals and catch up again on messages tomorrow, I wanted to make sure I got pics today and posted an update here.
So today they are DAYS 19/20/21. They will be topped Friday? Plenty of nodes to work with and the girls are healthy as can be. No need to top my Amnesia again as she self topped herself. They were given a 2:1 water/nute feed on 7-2 and on Friday 7-6, before being topped, they will be fed a mixture of half weeks 1/2 and half weeks 3/4 veg.
Blue Cheese is showing no signs of anything new so she will get silica water and was also not featured in the photos today. Sorry little girl. Still alive just still stagnant.
The @Mars Hydro FC4800 is set to 25-30%, it will remain that way until flower.
Other than that, not much to note other than their sensational growth between the last 3 days. Truly are giving it their best shots-proud of my green lovelies!
Have a fantastic grow overnight and day tomorrow, I'll be back on the forums in the afternoon perusing the journals!
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I thinkYea yea, bout to hit the sweet bong from @Smoking Outlet again now that I've ensured some quality photos were taken for my review purposes so just shut it my robed Chicago friend, I'm getting there...then to actually eat the dinner I prepped, smoke again and attempt to press some dab-a-roonis (also Polish)
I appreciate that, it's palpable, thank youI'm so happy to hear that!! What's going to be going down your way and please tag me so I can be at the start of a journal again, and one I know I love to follow, rather than be spending hours trying to find my way back to everyone's journals here.
Couldn't have said it better myself...truth is all over that pudding Keff
that would be Dab-a- rooski’s if Polish. Not sure about the rooni’s? CL. 
Looking real good.Hi MarK, thank you so much! They're getting big! Almost topping time, this FRIDAY!!!
I missed Limelight? Do you remember her? My prior NYC Diesel?
Oh no. Did you check with WSE? I need to look, I may have a couple seeds left?
Moby Dick?! @Bode Loves Mobstah-a combo of Moby Dick and Lobstah I believe! Blue Dream is always a good choice and I happen to have some courtesy Mobstah regular seeds that I was planning on trying outdoors this year until everything happened but next year, come Spring, I plan on trying my hands with it. Want to make Bode proud!
You didn't?!?! Yippee, that's amaze balls. You are going to love the skippity skip the strain provides. Even for an Indica girl, that's one of my favorite sativas, just really gets you up and moving but not in a manic way, a very clear and focused super high.
Omg!!! Yaaay!!! She is inspiring in and of itself!!!! Absolutely beautiful HG. Love the thought you put into picking the most perfect name for her
I'm going to go over and attach myself to your current grow, my eye has been giving me fits the last week and finally a couple days ago I went to the walk in for it and I follow up with my ophthalmologist tomorrow morning or I would be caught up already on journals by now. So upset about that but no need to rush, I'm here for good so I have all the time in the world to get caught up, just going to take me longer. I wish I had been able to catch yours sooner, or start growing earlier so our DPs would be twinsies but that's OK! I'll catch up, promise!
Would it spoil the party to know what strains? I know you will list your super soil ingredients, I want to take note. Not now, but absolutely in the future when I retire on some property and have my greenhouses and acreage, I want to do it all from scratch, self sustain as much as I possibly can. Have a few separate lists going titled "Off-The-Grid Living", super soil is on there...
Patience is a virtue and in this particular case, will absolutely pay off. You will be reaping the rewards of this bloodline for years to come but you know that already, hence why you are doing it in the first place. I would like to do similar but I just find that by constantly changing what I'm smoking, I never get immune to it so to speak. I couldn't just grow 5 of the same and only smoke that, my body gets used to it. But to constantly have a super special pheno to lean on is comforting as well. I am excited to see what you do, please remember to tag me in brother.
I never have but I only hear great things. Like I said to Keff, it's definitely on my future to-do list.
So hey there guys and gals? Sorry I was out of the loop for the past couple of days. As I mentioned to super wonderful HG, my eye has been bothering me since my parents were here and 3 days ago it just took a turn for the worst. Entire eye swollen, felt bruised, twitched whenever I tried to focus, floaters, double vision, super red, broken blood vessesls, you name it. Got a follow up tomorrow, was only able to hit the walk in this weekend. Gave me some steroid and numbing drops and some antibiotic eye cream. Better enough that I am on here posting but still not great.
Managed to write up, type up my latest review yesterday but it took me literally all day because I had to keep giving my eye breaks in between.
With the doc appointment in the morning and my need to get back onto journals and catch up again on messages tomorrow, I wanted to make sure I got pics today and posted an update here.
So today they are DAYS 19/20/21. They will be topped Friday? Plenty of nodes to work with and the girls are healthy as can be. No need to top my Amnesia again as she self topped herself. They were given a 2:1 water/nute feed on 7-2 and on Friday 7-6, before being topped, they will be fed a mixture of half weeks 1/2 and half weeks 3/4 veg.
Blue Cheese is showing no signs of anything new so she will get silica water and was also not featured in the photos today. Sorry little girl. Still alive just still stagnant.
The @Mars Hydro FC4800 is set to 25-30%, it will remain that way until flower.
Other than that, not much to note other than their sensational growth between the last 3 days. Truly are giving it their best shots-proud of my green lovelies!
Have a fantastic grow overnight and day tomorrow, I'll be back on the forums in the afternoon perusing the journals!
Thanks Gid, 2 new scripts, bad case of uveitis and keratitis
Awwwwee that kinda stuff makes my green heart legit smile, Gid. Thank you for the nod brother
Thanks Clover my buddyLooking good Jersey. CL
Getting better! She got me on the best meds for my eye woes!
they do their thing, i just follow along!
yea, idk about her but she is still alive...i went ahead and moved her outside. Being shes an auto at Day 21, shes either gonna do it or not and I will know soon. But I did give her the tent boot lol
Remember, Gigi and Spicoli? Their leaves were very fat! My Gorilla Glue Super Lemon Hazes...
I take a little of this and a little of that and I see what I like and what they like and its like cooking for me...just adapt and learn as I go
omg duuuuhhh stoner moment. Damn Sirius Black hijacked my brain's neuropathways that night. I was sitting on the couch, new bong smoking night, and thinking after I typed it that it sounded off and then I said nah you're just obliterated..I was right about thr obliterated but not able the other thing hahahaha I'm the one that needs to come back to earth!
porque no las dos?I think
Thanks brother, I appreciate that
Trying Shed! Always trying!
You know I was told it's part of my auto immune disorders so technically that's in my genes and technically my genes come from my parents so technically they did do this to my eye....Italian bastards...I hope the eye doc sorts you out, and make sure you mention it happened after a visit from your parents. Some folks' folks can give anyone fits!
They are beautiful Krissi.Thanks Gid, 2 new scripts, bad case of uveitis and keratitis
Doing a little better since
Awwwwee that kinda stuff makes my green heart legit smile, Gid. Thank you for the nod brother
Thanks Clover my buddy
Getting better! She got me on the best meds for my eye woes!
they do their thing, i just follow along!
yea, idk about her but she is still alive...i went ahead and moved her outside. Being shes an auto at Day 21, shes either gonna do it or not and I will know soon. But I did give her the tent boot lol
Remember, Gigi and Spicoli? Their leaves were very fat! My Gorilla Glue Super Lemon Hazes...
I take a little of this and a little of that and I see what I like and what they like and its like cooking for me...just adapt and learn as I go
omg duuuuhhh stoner moment. Damn Sirius Black hijacked my brain's neuropathways that night. I was sitting on the couch, new bong smoking night, and thinking after I typed it that it sounded off and then I said nah you're just obliterated..I was right about thr obliterated but not able the other thing hahahaha I'm the one that needs to come back to earth!
porque no las dos?
Thanks brother, I appreciate that
Trying Shed! Always trying!
You know I was told it's part of my auto immune disorders so technically that's in my genes and technically my genes come from my parents so technically they did do this to my eye....Italian bastards...
So guys and gals today is Days 21/22/23! We will be topping tomorrow as well as feeding all but our Sour G, her pot is still heavy and she seems a little more droopy than the rest so I think she just needs to dry up a little. To help her get drier, faster and also help the other girls absorb their next full feed into their roots and beyond tomorrow, I am also going down a few humidity points to instill the need for them to look to their roots.
Blue Cheese as I said has had no change still and I moved her outside. Right in front of the kitchen window so that I can see her at all times lol even if it's with a telescope with a microscope attached
Durban Poison is drinking the most right now and is our largest of the 5 in the tent. Excited for this one. Love growing a new strain and not knowing what to expect....like that this one for example, seems to be growing like an Indica...
NYC Diesel is beginning to put on a show. Man do I love this strain. She is going to smell glorious. Picking up speed but unfortunately no new variegated leaves to note...sad face...
Sour G as I said looks a little wet but other than that and being the soon to be smallest of the 5, with my mutant catching up, she has good color and her leaves feel healthy. Not concerned at all. Super stoked to have this great hybrid in the tent.
Amnesia, my old faithful, one of my absolute favorites. Her mutant self is doing its thing and she is soon to catch up. Just watch, promise she will surprise you. I'm a far better grower now (not tooting my own horn at all just saying) than I was when I first grew this strain back in '21. I hope I can do something special with it, it's given a lot back to me. Monster cropping my 1st ever attempt of this strain and watching her lay dormant for weeks was mind numbing. Having ex bestie call it the stick and ask me how my stick was doing every day never bothered me, I always told her that this stick is going to stick you right back in the ass, just wait. I want to pay good homage to her and this Cinderella 99 and Jack Herer lineage.
But today we are focusing on our G-13. I'll go into strain details as we go on in the journal but for now, she is my PLANT OF THE DAY.
Not just cause I randomly chose her but because she really looks absolutely striking today. I opened the tent to see an over-watered Sour G which made me mad that I let happen but then immediately saw this fantastic specimen and parked up.
She is the youngest of the bunch but you certainly wouldn't know it. She is bright she is fun, let me introduce my G-13, "GENEVA".....
Happy Growing guys and gals. Time to give my eye a break for a few hours. Catch you all soon! So great to be catching up on journals finally! Many more to go but glad I'm on my way! You guys are awesome!!
if it weren’t for my younger kids (13 and 9) I’d already be off grid. I homeschool them though so it makes it a lot easier to be closer to the city center to be able to utilize the resources to teach them. Once the youngest is 18 though I’m gone. I’d like to get some acreage up and working so I have something to pass down the line in a way my ancestors have failed to do.
Wow you have been busy! Girls are looking good and I’m glad you got meds. You made sure to harden the outdoor one right? Or does it not need to as it’s so young? So much to learn!Thanks Gid, 2 new scripts, bad case of uveitis and keratitis
Doing a little better since
Awwwwee that kinda stuff makes my green heart legit smile, Gid. Thank you for the nod brother
Thanks Clover my buddy
Getting better! She got me on the best meds for my eye woes!
they do their thing, i just follow along!
yea, idk about her but she is still alive...i went ahead and moved her outside. Being shes an auto at Day 21, shes either gonna do it or not and I will know soon. But I did give her the tent boot lol
Remember, Gigi and Spicoli? Their leaves were very fat! My Gorilla Glue Super Lemon Hazes...
I take a little of this and a little of that and I see what I like and what they like and its like cooking for me...just adapt and learn as I go
omg duuuuhhh stoner moment. Damn Sirius Black hijacked my brain's neuropathways that night. I was sitting on the couch, new bong smoking night, and thinking after I typed it that it sounded off and then I said nah you're just obliterated..I was right about thr obliterated but not able the other thing hahahaha I'm the one that needs to come back to earth!
porque no las dos?
Thanks brother, I appreciate that
Trying Shed! Always trying!
You know I was told it's part of my auto immune disorders so technically that's in my genes and technically my genes come from my parents so technically they did do this to my eye....Italian bastards...
So guys and gals today is Days 21/22/23! We will be topping tomorrow as well as feeding all but our Sour G, her pot is still heavy and she seems a little more droopy than the rest so I think she just needs to dry up a little. To help her get drier, faster and also help the other girls absorb their next full feed into their roots and beyond tomorrow, I am also going down a few humidity points to instill the need for them to look to their roots.
Blue Cheese as I said has had no change still and I moved her outside. Right in front of the kitchen window so that I can see her at all times lol even if it's with a telescope with a microscope attached
Durban Poison is drinking the most right now and is our largest of the 5 in the tent. Excited for this one. Love growing a new strain and not knowing what to expect....like that this one for example, seems to be growing like an Indica...
NYC Diesel is beginning to put on a show. Man do I love this strain. She is going to smell glorious. Picking up speed but unfortunately no new variegated leaves to note...sad face...
Sour G as I said looks a little wet but other than that and being the soon to be smallest of the 5, with my mutant catching up, she has good color and her leaves feel healthy. Not concerned at all. Super stoked to have this great hybrid in the tent.
Amnesia, my old faithful, one of my absolute favorites. Her mutant self is doing its thing and she is soon to catch up. Just watch, promise she will surprise you. I'm a far better grower now (not tooting my own horn at all just saying) than I was when I first grew this strain back in '21. I hope I can do something special with it, it's given a lot back to me. Monster cropping my 1st ever attempt of this strain and watching her lay dormant for weeks was mind numbing. Having ex bestie call it the stick and ask me how my stick was doing every day never bothered me, I always told her that this stick is going to stick you right back in the ass, just wait. I want to pay good homage to her and this Cinderella 99 and Jack Herer lineage.
But today we are focusing on our G-13. I'll go into strain details as we go on in the journal but for now, she is my PLANT OF THE DAY.
Not just cause I randomly chose her but because she really looks absolutely striking today. I opened the tent to see an over-watered Sour G which made me mad that I let happen but then immediately saw this fantastic specimen and parked up.
She is the youngest of the bunch but you certainly wouldn't know it. She is bright she is fun, let me introduce my G-13, "GENEVA".....
Happy Growing guys and gals. Time to give my eye a break for a few hours. Catch you all soon! So great to be catching up on journals finally! Many more to go but glad I'm on my way! You guys are awesome!!
the little auto might surprise u. nice plants Miss KrissiThanks Gid, 2 new scripts, bad case of uveitis and keratitis
Doing a little better since
Awwwwee that kinda stuff makes my green heart legit smile, Gid. Thank you for the nod brother
Thanks Clover my buddy
Getting better! She got me on the best meds for my eye woes!
they do their thing, i just follow along!
yea, idk about her but she is still alive...i went ahead and moved her outside. Being shes an auto at Day 21, shes either gonna do it or not and I will know soon. But I did give her the tent boot lol
Remember, Gigi and Spicoli? Their leaves were very fat! My Gorilla Glue Super Lemon Hazes...
I take a little of this and a little of that and I see what I like and what they like and its like cooking for me...just adapt and learn as I go
omg duuuuhhh stoner moment. Damn Sirius Black hijacked my brain's neuropathways that night. I was sitting on the couch, new bong smoking night, and thinking after I typed it that it sounded off and then I said nah you're just obliterated..I was right about thr obliterated but not able the other thing hahahaha I'm the one that needs to come back to earth!
porque no las dos?
Thanks brother, I appreciate that
Trying Shed! Always trying!
You know I was told it's part of my auto immune disorders so technically that's in my genes and technically my genes come from my parents so technically they did do this to my eye....Italian bastards...
So guys and gals today is Days 21/22/23! We will be topping tomorrow as well as feeding all but our Sour G, her pot is still heavy and she seems a little more droopy than the rest so I think she just needs to dry up a little. To help her get drier, faster and also help the other girls absorb their next full feed into their roots and beyond tomorrow, I am also going down a few humidity points to instill the need for them to look to their roots.
Blue Cheese as I said has had no change still and I moved her outside. Right in front of the kitchen window so that I can see her at all times lol even if it's with a telescope with a microscope attached
Durban Poison is drinking the most right now and is our largest of the 5 in the tent. Excited for this one. Love growing a new strain and not knowing what to expect....like that this one for example, seems to be growing like an Indica...
NYC Diesel is beginning to put on a show. Man do I love this strain. She is going to smell glorious. Picking up speed but unfortunately no new variegated leaves to note...sad face...
Sour G as I said looks a little wet but other than that and being the soon to be smallest of the 5, with my mutant catching up, she has good color and her leaves feel healthy. Not concerned at all. Super stoked to have this great hybrid in the tent.
Amnesia, my old faithful, one of my absolute favorites. Her mutant self is doing its thing and she is soon to catch up. Just watch, promise she will surprise you. I'm a far better grower now (not tooting my own horn at all just saying) than I was when I first grew this strain back in '21. I hope I can do something special with it, it's given a lot back to me. Monster cropping my 1st ever attempt of this strain and watching her lay dormant for weeks was mind numbing. Having ex bestie call it the stick and ask me how my stick was doing every day never bothered me, I always told her that this stick is going to stick you right back in the ass, just wait. I want to pay good homage to her and this Cinderella 99 and Jack Herer lineage.
But today we are focusing on our G-13. I'll go into strain details as we go on in the journal but for now, she is my PLANT OF THE DAY.
Not just cause I randomly chose her but because she really looks absolutely striking today. I opened the tent to see an over-watered Sour G which made me mad that I let happen but then immediately saw this fantastic specimen and parked up.
She is the youngest of the bunch but you certainly wouldn't know it. She is bright she is fun, let me introduce my G-13, "GENEVA".....
Happy Growing guys and gals. Time to give my eye a break for a few hours. Catch you all soon! So great to be catching up on journals finally! Many more to go but glad I'm on my way! You guys are awesome!!
Thanks brother, one of them became very unhappy overnight thought and I have no idea what is going on...talk about it in a few...either way, it is what it is and I'm always learning. Whatever happens along the way is to make me a better grower. At least I've got 4 looking pretty spic n span
Tell me about it lol
Thank you for your opinion! Always appreciated!
I'm interested in all of them and I know you'll do your best and take care of them in the best organic way possible. I haven't tried any of them be it through smoking or growing so let's go!
Same. Here.
Mine is 3.5...I have a ways to go but look forward to it...
Rob mentioned to me a few weeks ago he thought I sounded like a high functioning autistic with my weird quirks and obsessions...things like this, I do....
excerise hmmmm never thought of that!
You're doing one helluva job SirLots of little mental games and trying to outmaneuver myself
busy bee and what the hell is hardening? Im a newb remember?! I just threw its unresponsive self out there and praying for the best but will gladly accept the worst. Always more to grow and I really only wanted 4 plants in this tent during the summer so I may get my wish after all after todays shenanigans. The ones that are doing it sre doing it, slight shame the others have been treated the same but Im not having the same luck with them. This is growing and I love that I'm going to post a fail because a lot of people seem to think this stuff never happens to me and it absolutely does. I don't always have perfect ladies, we dont always have it or get it right. But we always learn and I will always try until it's clearly over and thats what really matters-at least to me
Something bit her cotys last night lol she looks the same but with bit leaves. Gonna spritz her with neem tonigjt after sun goes down...see what she does. Still looks better than my Sour G right now, unfortunately
I am loving my now 4 in the tent. Fingets crossed they keep it going. Got topped today, well 3 of them (Amnesia self topped). See how they recover and move forward tomorrow...maybe we will get Sour G back in the tent, she whats going on in the morning but it doesnt look good
Absolutely is! Couldnt do it without you guys
That strain is just fire. Love it and love the challenge growing them!
She truly is, enought she is plant of the day!
you need an NYC Diesel, fantastic smoke.
you do the same Bode! Happy growing and smoking my friend!
Hey Dani, thanks bud. Two are out there now to fend for themselves...figured with the auto, it woyld be small enough to stay hidden outside and the Sour G now, well just trying to see if some drying out outside doesnt hekp whatver is going on...either way im scared shitless with them outside. I was scared if Sour G has some kind of disease though, to keep her in the tent. The next day or two will show if we have any more outside, though. I really dont know about these two. First time I may have lost 1 and couldnt get another going. First time for everything and it keeps me super humble.Love everything your doing. Awesome move putting some greens outdoors.
Come on up front, the whole room is full of naughty kids, I am the leader...believe me
I'm dead lmao that made me spit out my 32 oz Wawa coffee in my St. Jude Children's Hospital mug....I've got Sour G on the BBQ staring right at her so they can possibly try to team up and figure out a plan to shape up with some kind of chlorophyll telepathy.....
