Fanleaf Tries For A TLO, True Living Organics, Grow With 6 Plants

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Yes, I use it to quick scan along with a much more expensive unit that sees 10 times further and 10x better quality mounted on "something", to protect some of the farm animals from predators. I know some may not like that and I'm sorry but coyotes are horrible up here. There are so many that over 3 years 47 of them were taken off of one 110 acre farm. There are still plenty left too. It has wiped out the small game population like rabbits and pheasant along with many smaller farm animals. Sorry if some of you may hate me for that but like I said. There are still plenty.
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No judgement here... rural Missouri is farm country, and just the other day one of our sheep farmers put out a call for coyote hunters... one of his lambs was killed the other night. I know a chicken farmer who has hunts all the time just to keep the population down. Many folks that I know keep a .22 at the doorway, just for this reason.
 
So, heres a bit of an update. I moved them into the larger room because I have easier, full control over the environment. They are now under the 25 cob array and I just finished re-covering the walls with Orca Film today. :thumb:

I would like some opinion on this as well. The runt of the litter, Malawi X Panama is now the biggest and healthiest girl in the room. She is loving life. There is the smallest amount of discoloration on the first leafs but shes thriving.
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Now, it's my guess that the soil may be have been just a bit hot for the Alaskan purple. The bottom leafs look fried. This has been over the last 4-5 days or so. It was already like this before the transplant so it wasn't that.
I do think the burning has stopped and its pushing through it fine as it gets bigger but what do you all think? Was the soil a bit hot for her right out of the gate?
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The rest are a bit clawed as well. I dont think this will be a big issue as they grow just a bit more I think they will handle the soil just fine.

They have only been watered once since the transplant and wont need more water for a few days. I'm guessing things were just a bit hot and we will have to let them outgrow the sensitivity to the soil. What do you think?
Dont mind the few small autos in there.
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When you use spikes and zones and plant stakes there are going to be hot spots in the container. Roots not specialized to be in that hot and sometimes wild pH area of the container can burn and even prune themselves off. On young plants without a whole lot of leaves to be able to express this, you can get severe burning like this on one or two leaves, and then it goes away. That leaf ends up holding on and the problem seemingly goes away. The plant simply adapted to its environment the same as it would do finding any other obstacle.
Your clue that this wasn't a critical problem is that it only affected a couple of leaves before it didn't replicate on the new growth. An interesting experiment sometime would be to take a healthy tomato plant and chop off 1/3 of a side of its rootball just to see what happens. Something similar to what you have just seen will be the result, and then the vegging plant will just keep on keeping on.
 
Emilya said:
No judgement here... rural Missouri is farm country, and just the other day one of our sheep farmers put out a call for coyote hunters... one of his lambs was killed the other night. I know a chicken farmer who has hunts all the time just to keep the population down. Many folks that I know keep a .22 at the doorway, just for this reason.
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Out in your neck of the woods are they only attacking in packs or are you starting to see individual coyotes come in as well? Seems like they used to only hunt/ attack in packs, but at least by me they’ve been getting pushed out of so many areas and are so hungry we’re seeing some pretty wild behavior.
 
Growca2268 said:
Out in your neck of the woods are they only attacking in packs or are you starting to see individual coyotes come in as well? Seems like they used to only hunt/ attack in packs, but at least by me they’ve been getting pushed out of so many areas and are so hungry we’re seeing some pretty wild behavior.
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The craziest thing that has been happening around here is that a female yotes in heat purposely go off on its own away from the pack and gets near a domestic pet dog, lures it out to the pack where they kill it. We have had many many single ones out on their own. They are brave. I think they are having to look harder for food so taking risks. We also have large packs as well. You just never know what you will see anymore.
 
Growca2268 said:
Out in your neck of the woods are they only attacking in packs or are you starting to see individual coyotes come in as well? Seems like they used to only hunt/ attack in packs, but at least by me they’ve been getting pushed out of so many areas and are so hungry we’re seeing some pretty wild behavior.
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Usually if there is one, you can count on there being more. They are pack animals after all. A desperate animal, cut off from its pack will definitely do some bizarre things, but I usually hear about hunters claiming multiple kills when they do go after them and on a farm that I frequent, if you sit watching the far ridge down by the pond long enough, you will see individuals too often to think that they are hunting alone.
 
Did you package arrive with the rest of the goodies in it yet @Emilya ? Or is that now going to be on Monday?
 
Emilya said:
When you use spikes and zones and plant stakes there are going to be hot spots in the container. Roots not specialized to be in that hot and sometimes wild pH area of the container can burn and even prune themselves off. On young plants without a whole lot of leaves to be able to express this, you can get severe burning like this on one or two leaves, and then it goes away. That leaf ends up holding on and the problem seemingly goes away. The plant simply adapted to its environment the same as it would do finding any other obstacle.
Your clue that this wasn't a critical problem is that it only affected a couple of leaves before it didn't replicate on the new growth. An interesting experiment sometime would be to take a healthy tomato plant and chop off 1/3 of a side of its rootball just to see what happens. Something similar to what you have just seen will be the result, and then the vegging plant will just keep on keeping on.
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Glad I dont need to freak out. I didnt think it would be a big issue so I was able to remain calm. :rofl:

If I had to guess by the way things are going, I would bet that by the end of this week they will all look happy and quite a bit larger. The four or five of them are just whining a little bit.:cheesygrinsmiley:
 
Emilya said:
Tuesday! I am not sure what the holdup was because when it left Rapid it was scheduled for Friday. Frustrating, but it is forcing me to chill... probably good for me. It certainly was good for the paint job. :love:
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Yep, that sure gave you the time needed for the paint, without much choice haha. Well, that leaves you something to look forward to doing this week while your grow is finishing.
 
Well, 3 of them were ready for water tonight. Straight RO water was it. All 6 of them are still complaining too. If you look close you can see that a few of them are showing some dark green areas. They are all looking like they hit a hot spot. Probably the high N bottom layer on top of the Pumice. This being my first TLO grow, I'm thinking perhaps I sprinkled the high N layer a tad thick. The good thing you said it doesn't seem like it has killed the roots right there on the bottom because if I list the pots and look at the holes on the bottom I can see healthy Roots sticking through the bottom of the pumice. Those are my "water roots". I'm actually considering up potting them to 3 gallon pots so I can lighten up on the bottom high N layer a bit. Adding a few high N spikes on the outer rim of the pot will give the plants and the roots a bit of time to grow before hitting anymore high N areas. I think I would be just fine up potting into their final vegetative pot now since I can see the water Roots sticking out of the bottom of the pots.
What do you think @Emilya ? Does that sound like a fair plan? If so, I should probably get the tea brewing tomorrow as well.
They are not burning up to a crisp but they are sure still not happy. As far as environment goes it is right on the money. Staying about 80° at the tops with about 55% RH.
I just cannot get them to perk up. Doesn't matter if they are just watered or if they are dry.
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On a side note, the few autos in there with them are looking delicious!
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Emilya said:
They look a little waterlogged... you sure you are drying them out all the way?
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I agree, they sure do look that way and is why I'm so perplexed. 3 of them have only been watered once since the transplant on March 3rd, 12 days ago and the other 3 just got thier 2nd water tonight in the last 12 days. Maybe I'll just let them get pretty limp once and try again.
The 3 that didnt get water tonight were close but I decided to wait. Let's just let em suffer a bit to be certain I guess but they sure haven't gotten much water at all. They should be much bigger by now too so they are stunted. Thankfully we are in veg.
 
I always try to water you buy weight and by now in my growing Experience I usually never have a problem with this but maybe changing from Pro mix HP growing to real soil something set in my habits is causing some watering issues. I have no problem with torturing them so let's just let them dry until they are sagging down.
 
Meanwhile, I've made an absolute mess at my desk playing with magical amounts of Inductance and Capacitance along with a unun style wound toroid with a longwire.....Works 160-10m.....This is what happens when I get bored. Just would have been a bunch easier if I had a 12 position switch. Only a few here will have a clue as to what this mess is. I may tidy it up, shorten leads and put this in an enclosure actually. I get too bored I will build another hf tube amp.
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fanleaf said:
Meanwhile, I've made an absolute mess at my desk playing with magical amounts of Inductance and Capacitance along with a unun style wound toroid with a longwire.....Works 160-10m.....This is what happens when I get bored. Just would have been a bunch easier if I had a 12 position switch. Only a few here will have a clue as to what this mess is. I may tidy it up, shorten leads and put this in an enclosure actually. I get too bored I will build another hf tube amp.
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a mini tuner? a filter? all those spdt have me curious :nerd-with-glasses:
 
Emilya said:
a mini tuner? a filter? all those spdt have me curious :nerd-with-glasses:
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Yeah, little tuner :cheesygrinsmiley:. Like I said, I didn't have a 12 position rotary switch for the inductance so I made what I had on hand work.
 
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