Fanleaf Tries For A TLO, True Living Organics, Grow With 6 Plants

I use a RO/DI unit in my reef aquarium hobby. If I remember right. The deionization process takes carbonates out of the water and exchanges them for salts. IIRC, salts are bad news for our favorite plants. Causes lock out or some such thing right?
My water comes out 0-2ppm maximum. No salts in 0ppm. Not sure how the process works but DI removes salts from what I know anyways.

Deionized water or also known as demineralized water is a type ofwater wherein all of its mineral ions such as sodium, iron, calcium, copper, chloride, and sulfate are removed.
 
4 days since the transplant. The good news is that they dont look as pissed off as they have been looking. The bad news is they aren't thriving yet but let's give them a few more days to stretch some roots into the new territory.
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Well, I'm in the grow room now. They are looking better every day! They are growing well again too.
Time to start tying some branches down and form them the way I want them.
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They aren't looking perfect yet, but they sure are getting there quickly now.
 
Moderate training today. Start making the growth more even and spread out. Today I also gave each pot about 1/2 pint of RO water just around the rim to keep the top of the soil from drying out too much.
BTW, since this is a concrete floor you will often see in some of my pictures that the floor is wet. I have a huge humidifier running in the grow room but when I have a bit of spare water I usually just dump it right in the center of the concrete floor just to add one or two points to the humidity.

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I figured since I'm doing the main 6 girls straight to the book I want to also experiment with some of the feelings I've had about how this grow is going and what may make it work better for me. While I will stay straight to the book on our 6 plants, today, we start an experiment....

3 cups full strength TLO soil
2.5 cups Promix HP
1/2 cup Earthworm Castings

This will cut the TLO soil strength by about half. While I usually dont transplant autoflowers I have never experienced it stunting them if done early enough.
Since autoflowers have such a short lifespan (3-4 week veg and 4 week flower) I feel this mix along with a few simple teas could do amazing things as far as growth rates and the quality.

That said, I started 3 autos today with the above mentioned mix.
1 Pineapple Express, 1 Dark Devil and 1 Blueberry.
I have a gut feeling this will be some fast growing 100% TRUE organic fantasticness!!
Let's just see....
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I figured since I'm doing the main 6 girls straight to the book I want to also experiment with some of the feelings I've had about how this grow is going and what may make it work better for me. While I will stay straight to the book on our 6 plants, today, we start an experiment....

3 cups full strength TLO soil
2.5 cups Promix HP
1/2 cup Earthworm Castings

This will cut the TLO soil strength by about half. While I usually dont transplant autoflowers I have never experienced it stunting them if done early enough.
Since autoflowers have such a short lifespan (3-4 week veg and 4 week flower) I feel this mix along with a few simple teas could do amazing things as far as growth rates and the quality.

That said, I started 3 autos today with the above mentioned mix.
1 Pineapple Express, 1 Dark Devil and 1 Blueberry.
I have a gut feeling this will be some fast growing 100% TRUE organic fantasticness!!
Let's just see....
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color me intrigued!
 
Yep, before the taproot could hit the bottom of the little starter pots I transplanted them into the final 3 gallon equivalent pot since they are autoflowers...
looking great so far in 1/2 TLO soil 1/2 Pomoix hp with added worm castings.
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Update coming tomorrow on the main 6 ladies!
 
So far so good.
I have a great feeling about this mix. I dont want to come off as a know it all but after growing for quite a while it's almost like you can feel what they want lol. So far, with the main 6 girls it has given me a feel for how things are working and what isn't. I feel like 1/2 TLO with the Promix will make for a looser soil allowing roots to run a marathon, finding the edges and plenty of nutrients and microlife for a short run with autos. Especially with added tea brews.
If this works as well as I suspect, I may adjust the TLO soil to Promix ratio just a little and run some photoperiods I received from an awesome forum member.
The other nice thing....if this works out, is that TLO soil isn't cheap to put together. Heck, I made 1.5 batches of it and I'll be lucky to get the 6 main girls in the 7-10 gallon flowering pots!
So if this works it will double the soil quantity at the same time..
It will work....I feel it!
 
You've gone strictly by the book so far as best you can with the 2.2 recipe. What do you feel are the strong and weak points that make you want to change it?
Well, a few things. Some could have been addressed while mixing the soil to cook but if staying by the book, some, not so much.
First, TLO seems very difficult to get water to suck down in the pots and not just spill out of the sides of the pot. Doesn't seem to matter if the soil is bone dry or damp it is by far the most water repellent soil I have dealt with no question. Even when the soil is dry it's quite heavy. This makes me worry quite a bit about soil compaction and how easy I believe it would compact as well.

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Bigger badder lights--->need more nutrients right? Well, one thing is for sure, this TLO soil is NOT short on nutrients. Seems its probably about hotter than say FFOF by not just a mile but maybe 3. You would think that powerful lights would put this available nutrition to good use but I think it has the opposite effect here. If we look at the Revs book, he grows everything with a maximum of 400 W metal halide lamps. While his system is 100% dialed in for him we all know your plants can only produce so much with smaller lights right?
The strong feeling that I am having tells me that while my lights are providing par levels exceeding a 1000w double-ended HPS this actually may be having an adverse effect by making it appear that the soil is too hot for the plants simply because the lights are pushing the plants at a faster rate then the Rev pushes. I believe pushing the plants harder with stronger lights are making the plants want to uptake more, at a faster rate than Rev and causing "hot" issues that would not show up if I were doing 1 of 2 things. Either turn the lights way down and go slow (final yield will be less) or lighten up the soil a bit (yield stays up).

I am strongly feeling that by cutting the TLO soil with half promix HP will not only slow down the possibility of soil compaction but will also keep the soil far more aerated and cuts the strength of the soil letting me put powerful lights to good use. I believe with the soil a little bit lighter I will be able to push the plants much harder, faster and bigger and eliminate the issues that are keeping the plants from processing or drinking. By pushing them hard with my lights they just don't want to drink and I believe it has to do with how hot with soil is. I believe with 400 watt lights I would be just fine and not see any issues except for the overall weight of the soil and it's tendency to be very water repellent.
I have replicated revs environment and everything. The only thing that I have done different than him is run much bigger lights. I think it is a balancing act and each grower may have some slight adjusting to do.
While the plants are looking okay right now get this...
Remember when I transplanted them into the pots they are in now? Well if you look back the plants were thoroughly watered the day before the transplant. For that reason, when they got transplanted the following day I did not want to resaturate the core of the root ball. So when I transplanted them the new soil was fairly moist already so I really did not need to water them in. Now, since the transplant into the current pots they have not yet one time needed a good full watering!
I have had to sprinkle some water on the top few inches a few times now since the transplant waiting for them to dry out the pots. They are getting there now and will need a good drench soon but at this stage in the grow they should need a good watering every 2-3 days, not 1.5 weeks. Again, I believe this is a combination of the soil with my lights.
 
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