Experimental LED/Plasma Induction Grow
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endive
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...as the plot thickened, it got even more interesting.
turttle
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Comments?IDK.In any case I am glad to see Ben getting more involved in these forums.I pute that guy threw the ringer with my high expectations and constant emails and phone calls lol.The guys over there are really honest in their advertising and quality build on there products.And if your not happy they gladly give you full refund of the product before your 90 days which is a good amount of time to get a grow done.But if your rude to them they will blow you off just like any one would.They give you 90 day trial and 3 year warranty so realy there is no reason to have any complaints.They even do cross shipping if your light fails to get you fixed ASAP.My hats off to Ben for their honesty and standing by their product 100 percent even for products that dont quite make it they make it right in the end.
turttle
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Yah I hear you on the slow responce by email.They may have a heavy work load.I believe they build and test there own products but cant be possitive.I also had some slow responces at times when using there 90 watt units.Hints why I put him threw the ringer with emails lol.Have you tried to call them that may be best.
lbezphil2005
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i have a completed grow using 1 plasma induction and 1 90w ufo growing one plant, turned out alright, but because of ac problems temps reached 100+ in my grow box stunting my plant, but i still yielded 2ozs off a 24inch plant with a 13inch cola weighing a good half oz
WOW!!
My Brother!! How did it smoke?
boombaklot
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WOW!!
very nicely, real fruity and a kick ass stone, thnx
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Anomoly23
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Hey all,
Sorry I have been slacking on posting, had to go out of town for a little bit and just haven't been able to do much of anything. I am back now and will have some free time. I will post some pics of the ladies tomorrow when the lights come on.
THey are looking good, I have one plant that is not really doing much I think one may have root bind but I am not sure yet I have not been here for a while and it could be something else possibly nutrient lockout
But it has slowed drastically in growing
. LED whats up? What question can I answer for you?
Sorry I have been slacking on posting, had to go out of town for a little bit and just haven't been able to do much of anything. I am back now and will have some free time. I will post some pics of the ladies tomorrow when the lights come on.
THey are looking good, I have one plant that is not really doing much I think one may have root bind but I am not sure yet I have not been here for a while and it could be something else possibly nutrient lockoutBut it has slowed drastically in growing. LED whats up? What question can I answer for you?
endive
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And the plot thickens...
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Anomoly23
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I don't know but that sounds like Bad business, seems childish and unprofessional to say something like that to a customer who has nothing to do with whatever transaction issues he has with me, and this is probably the reason Hydroponics Hut does not progress past its current status
. Stolen light? Lets get things straight....Both the plasmas I purchased from Hydroponics Hut Failed and almost killed my crop which is part of the reason my plants are in bad shape, and I am not the first with this issue. You will notice they do not even sell those plasmas anymore. Luckily enough I was able to get Ben to send me out a PG 250 In place of the two plasmas that have failed, that's all i can give him points on
which was maybe $90 difference that he took off of the total. So steal? No I think that is a fair discount for a customer who's crop you almost killed with under engineered product and who is probably responsible for at least 4 of his recent sales from people who have viewed this grow. He may be upset because I have not sent the plasmas back yet but I had to go out of town unexpectedly and have not been able to send them till recently. So If he wants to disregard his customers and give his new business a bad name already then he is doing a good Job and I am sorry you, LEDguy, had to be on the receiving end of his unprofessional business practice. I for one will no longer deal with HH after I this ordeal and now the slander
Thats too bad Because I do like the LED light but there are others that will work great too. On a happier note I have harvested some of my outdoor some OG Kush looking very nice I added some pics. I will have some more up of the indoor babies tomorrow I promise.
greenthumm
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Anomoly I have a question. I am interested in the LED method. How much did you spend on your light, if you don't mind me asking. I am currently growing with HPS lights, but they get so hot in the summer time that i lost a crop one year. I am trying to fix this problem with the least amount of money.
Very nice buds by the way. Those are some monster colas. They make my mouth water.
Very nice buds by the way. Those are some monster colas. They make my mouth water.
Envirotech
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Hey anomoly,
What is the total wattage of all the lights you have in there? Your earlier post you said you experienced dimming of the induction. Your hood is what the issue is. the bulb is sticking down too low. Induction lights do not like air blowing directly at them. Your hood must totally encase the bulb to protect it from airflow and also you need to blow your fans downwards so position your fans above your lights. I'm not sure what is doing most of the work in your grow whether it's the led's or cfl's or the induction. BTW these are not plasma's. Plasmas use microwaves to excite the gasses. Induction uses electromagnetics to do so.
I hate to say certain companies that are selling the wrong spectrum of induction lights are giving this technolgy a bad name.
What is the total wattage of all the lights you have in there? Your earlier post you said you experienced dimming of the induction. Your hood is what the issue is. the bulb is sticking down too low. Induction lights do not like air blowing directly at them. Your hood must totally encase the bulb to protect it from airflow and also you need to blow your fans downwards so position your fans above your lights. I'm not sure what is doing most of the work in your grow whether it's the led's or cfl's or the induction. BTW these are not plasma's. Plasmas use microwaves to excite the gasses. Induction uses electromagnetics to do so.
I hate to say certain companies that are selling the wrong spectrum of induction lights are giving this technolgy a bad name.
turttle
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From what I have read on these types of lights is you need a lot of power in order to have them work correctly.This teck has been around for many years I cant remember who first invented them but the teck has never been reliable and the ideal has been sold a few times and they are still camping on it.Not to say it does not work I have seen some 1000 watt lamps grow as good as they would under the sun.The problem is the cost next to how long they will last.There is still a lot of work that needs to be done in researching these lights I hope they can be perfected my self.But yes I beleive I read that you need over a 100 watts to heat the lamp up to a solid working state.I may be wrong and may half to double check my readings its been a while but I do know they run these lights in an industrial setting like hangers that would normaly use a lot more power than what they would be using with hid.Im talking thousands of watts of use hear.With your new light you say you are designing its a pretty good ideal.Wrap the induction or plasma or what not around an led pannel in the same housing.In my opinion its not going to be any better than the design that I am using now with just using added t5s to the led.Its not cost affective nor is any one saving on electricity to make up for the diff.on the purchase of a light.When I see this teck take over on an industrial scale then you know its lagit.And this lighting has been in the works for many many years.
turttle
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I don't know but that sounds like Bad business, seems childish and unprofessional to say something like that to a customer who has nothing to do with whatever transaction issues he has with me, and this is probably the reason Hydroponics Hut does not progress past its current status
sorry to hear about that onomoly sounds like a camminication problem with the return of the lights.But any way were those nugs grown from the 250 watt with the added cfl.Awsome I cant wait now that I have seen what the light is capable of.
....................................Ow am I bad this is your out door.I about nuted a purple nut when I seen those nugs and thought they were your indoor lol...NiceEnvirotech
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Hi Turrtle,From what I have read on these types of lights is you need a lot of power in order to have them work correctly.This teck has been around for many years I cant remember who first invented them but the teck has never been reliable and the ideal has been sold a few times and they are still camping on it.Not to say it does not work I have seen some 1000 watt lamps grow as good as they would under the sun.The problem is the cost next to how long they will last.There is still a lot of work that needs to be done in researching these lights I hope they can be perfected my self.But yes I beleive I read that you need over a 100 watts to heat the lamp up to a solid working state.I may be wrong and may half to double check my readings its been a while but I do know they run these lights in an industrial setting like hangers that would normaly use a lot more power than what they would be using with hid.Im talking thousands of watts of use hear.With your new light you say you are designing its a pretty good ideal.Wrap the induction or plasma or what not around an led pannel in the same housing.In my opinion its not going to be any better than the design that I am using now with just using added t5s to the led.Its not cost affective nor is any one saving on electricity to make up for the diff.on the purchase of a light.When I see this teck take over on an industrial scale then you know its lagit.And this lighting has been in the works for many many years.
I'm not sure if your talking about the same light. These light do not draw a lot of power and longevity is it's key selling point, they last 100,000 hrs. Osram sylvania and philips invented them in the mid 90's but kept them under wraps because they knew it would kill sales on HID's(their bread and butter) because the fact the bulb last so long. Before anyone say's that Tesla invented them in the 1800's stop. He proved that a light could be light remotely by using electromagnetism. your quote that they consume lots of power more than hid is wrong. The commercial lighting market is retrofitting HPS and MH street lights and high bay lights with induction. They are replacing 400 watts HPS street lights with 150 watt induction without affecting light output and because it has a very good CRI law enforcment likes them because colors are not washed out to identify colors. This is taking place all over the world. Noth America is slow to get on board but many minicipalities in Canada and US are are finnally using them. So this teck is legit. When you take in consideration of power consumption and maintenance and relamps, these bulbs are cheaper than HID.
Envirotech
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Thanks for coming by and checking them out. Ya I was a bit worried when I first decided to grow in this tent because I felt it was a little big, but in my own true fashion I ended up adding more lightI actually ended up adding...I laugh when I say this because its so far from the original set up..600 more watts of lighting
I did that in the form of a PG250 and I also added two feliz 125 watt 2700k warm spectrum cfl's, along with keeping one plasma going for right now . I also have two 50 watt 4ft t5's horizontally placed on each side. Needless to say its not easy on the electric bill, but it has been cool enough that I dont have to run the air conditioner so heat has not been an issue yet. The PG250's don't emit much heat at all so I dont think it will
Thanks Foxfarm, Im hoping everything will go smooth from here out
Yes there is always room for more lighting periodI am really liking the two PG 250's teamed up, I am really surprised on the penetration of the LED. I am getting some pretty large bud growth below the canopy on the undergrowth
So if my calculations are correct, your using 950 watts of lighting?
turttle
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Yes this is what I have read on the lights.Its not that they consume a lot of power its that it takes a bit of power in order to have them operate correctly and a lamp with built in ballast has 15-50000hrs of life.I agree these lights work well.I think the measurment of light or k or how they do that was greater than the sun provides.But it is still in testing.The next gen street and housing light will be led.Dont get me wrong I would like to see these lights work and to be proved wrong who wouldnt want the sun indoor with huge tubes of light.
Future prospects
The development of an affordable, efficient, and long-lived microwave source is a technological hurdle to cost reduction and commercial success. The lamp prototypes were only available in high wattages (1000+ W), which impeded adoption in applications where light output demands were not great. The sulfur lamp has problems with the life of the magnetron and the motor that rotates the bulb and noise from the cooling fan. Because the lamp has moving parts, reliability remains a critical issue, and system maintenance may impede market adoption.[citation needed]
Researchers have had some success at eliminating the need to rotate the bulb by using circularly polarized microwaves to spin the plasma discharge instead.[15][16] Other experiments have used sodium iodide, scandium iodide, indium monobromide (InBr),[17][18] or tellurium[19] as the light-generating medium.
A patent #20070075617 is pending since 2006 for a sulfur lamp with electrodes – in fact, a more traditional gas—discharge lamp where a magnetron is not required. Various electrode coatings are suggested to combat high chemical activity of sulfur. As usual with patents, though, only commercial applications will reveal whether this design is viable
History
The technology was conceived by engineer Michael Ury, physicist Charles Wood and their colleagues in 1990. With support from the United States Department of Energy, it was further developed in 1994 by Fusion Lighting of Rockville, Maryland, a spinoff of the Fusion UV division of Fusion Systems Corporation. Its origins are in microwave discharge light sources used for ultraviolet curing in the semiconductor and printing industries. The Fusion UV division was later sold to Spectris plc, and the rest of Fusion Systems was later acquired by the Eaton Corporation.
Only two production models were developed, both with similar specifications: the Solar 1000 in 1994 and the Light Drive 1000 in 1997, which was a refinement of the previous model.
Production of these lamps ended in 1998.[8] Fusion Lighting closed its doors in early 2002, after having used up approximately $90 million in venture capital. Their patents were licensed to the LG Group. The Internet Archive has a copy of Fusion Lighting's defunct website. Their lamps were installed in more than one hundred facilities worldwide, but many of them have already been removed.
In 2001, Ningbo Youhe New Lighting Source Co., Ltd, in Ningbo, China, produced its own sulfur lamp version. The company's website is no longer online and may be out of business, but information on these lamps is available from its archived copy at the Internet Archive.
In 2006, LG Electronics began production of its sulfur lamps, called Plasma Lighting System
Many of the installations of the lamps were for testing purposes only, but there remain a few sites where the lamps are in use as the primary lighting source. Perhaps the most visible of these would be the glass atria in the National Air and Space Museum
Honestly I would realy like to see this teck succeed.If some one were to test the latest models out to see if all the quirks are finally fixed I would be all in.I have seen grows used with these in a large green house type set up and it was really cool to see that when they were doing there comparisons it was not next to another style light but the sun itself.It was not the performance of the light that failed it was due to high maintence levels and reliability.And the facts were on life span claim was a min.life span of 15000 hrs of use with built in ballast and up to 100,000 with an exterior ballast.Again I would love to see the quirks resolved.
Envirotech
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Yes this is what I have read on the lights.Its not that they consume a lot of power its that it takes a bit of power in order to have them operate correctly and a lamp with built in ballast has 15-50000hrs of life.I agree these lights work well.I think the measurment of light or k or how they do that was greater than the sun provides.But it is still in testing.The next gen street and housing light will be led.Dont get me wrong I would like to see these lights work and to be proved wrong who wouldnt want the sun indoor with huge tubes of light.
Future prospects
The development of an affordable, efficient, and long-lived microwave source is a technological hurdle to cost reduction and commercial success. The lamp prototypes were only available in high wattages (1000+ W), which impeded adoption in applications where light output demands were not great. The sulfur lamp has problems with the life of the magnetron and the motor that rotates the bulb and noise from the cooling fan. Because the lamp has moving parts, reliability remains a critical issue, and system maintenance may impede market adoption.[citation needed]
Researchers have had some success at eliminating the need to rotate the bulb by using circularly polarized microwaves to spin the plasma discharge instead.[15][16] Other experiments have used sodium iodide, scandium iodide, indium monobromide (InBr),[17][18] or tellurium[19] as the light-generating medium.
A patent #20070075617 is pending since 2006 for a sulfur lamp with electrodes — in fact, a more traditional gas–discharge lamp where a magnetron is not required. Various electrode coatings are suggested to combat high chemical activity of sulfur. As usual with patents, though, only commercial applications will reveal whether this design is viable
History
The technology was conceived by engineer Michael Ury, physicist Charles Wood and their colleagues in 1990. With support from the United States Department of Energy, it was further developed in 1994 by Fusion Lighting of Rockville, Maryland, a spinoff of the Fusion UV division of Fusion Systems Corporation. Its origins are in microwave discharge light sources used for ultraviolet curing in the semiconductor and printing industries. The Fusion UV division was later sold to Spectris plc, and the rest of Fusion Systems was later acquired by the Eaton Corporation.
Only two production models were developed, both with similar specifications: the Solar 1000 in 1994 and the Light Drive 1000 in 1997, which was a refinement of the previous model.
Production of these lamps ended in 1998.[8] Fusion Lighting closed its doors in early 2002, after having used up approximately $90 million in venture capital. Their patents were licensed to the LG Group. The Internet Archive has a copy of Fusion Lighting's defunct website. Their lamps were installed in more than one hundred facilities worldwide, but many of them have already been removed.
In 2001, Ningbo Youhe New Lighting Source Co., Ltd, in Ningbo, China, produced its own sulfur lamp version. The company's website is no longer online and may be out of business, but information on these lamps is available from its archived copy at the Internet Archive.
In 2006, LG Electronics began production of its sulfur lamps, called Plasma Lighting System
Many of the installations of the lamps were for testing purposes only, but there remain a few sites where the lamps are in use as the primary lighting source. Perhaps the most visible of these would be the glass atria in the National Air and Space Museum
Hi Turttle,
You are confusing two different lighting sources here. You are refering to Microwave sulphur plasma lights or MSP
The light that i'm refering to is induction light which is a whole different beast! These are also a electrodeless light but uses high freqency electromagnetic energy to excite the gasses not microwaves. the confusion starts from a few suppliers that stated to call induction lights "plasma" i guess for marketing purpose. I agree MSP are a long ways away. Luxim and a company in Spain now produces a small 150-300 watt MSP light but they are 7000K color. The luxim light is used by Chameleon lights they are very expensive at $6500...good luck with that!! There were some studies done by the us department of energy that tested them. They performed very well in veg stage but only okay in flower. They are trying differnt compounds like calcium bromide to increase the red spectrum. LG makes a 700 watt 5000K light.
Envirotech
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PS LG already have these for sale in the commercial market. I have personally seen 4 in action.
boombaklot
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sorry to but in but you gotta checkout monstergardens.com they have a plasma for 1180.00$ ,im already saving up for one
turttle
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Thanx for the info.I am still skeptical.Thats way to much money to light a mini mini garden.I do know the next thing they are working on to make hps more eficient is in the bulb itself.The bulb will be digital.Hps is still the leader in bloom.I hope you are not wanting to spend all this money on a veg light?This light your looking at is comparable to mh.It does not cary the full spectrum luxim has added LEDS in the red spectrum to cover flower but there like 7000 bones.Induction has a magnetic engine that excites the gases? in the lamp.Has the correct spectrum for flowering.Think of it as a cfl with higher output.Reliability is un known.