Exceptionally High FECO Yields

@stoneotter bro,
I am stuck in trim jail and smiled thinking about last time.
Cali Orange cultivar #1 came down this morning.
Actual days in flower 51.
Hi Maritimer. Trim away brother! 51 days is nice and short. Hey I have leaves on my plants this grow! I hope to have them when I figure it's time for some drought. Maybe in 4 to 6 weeks. They are dark devil autos rumored to flower into infinity so I can call any week, week 7 I think. Loving your work producing extra trichomes! How's the scissor hash?
 
Hi Maritimer. Trim away brother! 51 days is nice and short. Hey I have leaves on my plants this grow! I hope to have them when I figure it's time for some drought. Maybe in 4 to 6 weeks. They are dark devil autos rumored to flower into infinity so I can call any week, week 7 I think. Loving your work producing extra trichomes! How's the scissor hash?
I am using surgical scissors my mom shagged back when she was an er nurse. Even super sticky wipes off easy with alcohol moistened paper towel. Once they are over my thumb knuckle they are hard to unhandle. LOL all good bro
 
The end and the beginning of cannabis.
 
Look and see if you spot what plant is reaching for the lights?



 
Hello 420,

I was contacted via telephone Friday afternoon by my surgeon from Loyola in Chicago. The doctor called and asked me to participate in two studies related to my triple level decompression procedure undertaken last January.

The first study involves me going back in the MRI for the measurements of my spinal fluid pools. After surgery my thecal sack developed several leaks resulting in major spinal headache pain, and a resulting accumulation of spinal fluid under my skin looking like an eggplant was growing. After six months a procedure to drain the pools was undertaken and failed as the fluid drained began to refill.

That is where the second study comes into play. After the failed drainage procedure, it was the Labor Day weekend beginning along with a new spinal headache. I was released from the Hines VA hospital to go home where I had access to FECO. At home I aggressively dosed my meds for three days as the spinal fluid pressure in my head returned to normal. Monday, after the three-day weekend I went back to the hospital, checked back in and had a second drainage procedure performed.

Now they have decided this warrants investigation. Somebody heard about this and said wait a minute. A guy leaves a hospital to go home and get better with homemade medicine. What if that same medicine could be used in emergency brain surgeries where loss of spinal fluid is impairing patients? And this was done without narcotics!

I will provide them detailed dosing info but can’t tell them anything about potency because my stuff was not tested. This would be cool if it helps. I hit it hard though with saturation dosing around 500mg/8hours X3 per day. They will know I am a stoner. :)
 
Wow the light avoidance is hugely different from the rest huh? I noticed the long crazy bunches of pistols too. Hmmm maybe the leaves are getting out of the way so the sun can get to the buds?
The impression I get is something like this.
The shade avoidance primacy is maintained during most vegetative growth where the GRN prioritizes photosynthesis as top dog. During the transition to flower, the GRN remixes the hormonal homeostasis and the new top dog is sex. The GRN ensures in flower the reproductive responsibilities maintain primacy. The making of leaf is no longer more important than making flowers. In fact the flowers become so important that the leaf maintenance will be traded off for the remainder of the plants cycle.

This is why what we are seeing alarms me. Did our meja treatment dilute the primacy of flowering during flower development? And what will that cost ? Remember these are phytohormones, not sterols or fertilizers.
 
@Pennywise the cali orange is wonderful tasting un cured. It will be awesome cured. You will want to run some of this. I can actually taste fruityness. not sure about orange, but seriously fruity. I must get way better at drying and curing to protect these flavors. Dang big smile on my face right now. :)
 
The impression I get is something like this.
The shade avoidance primacy is maintained during most vegetative growth where the GRN prioritizes photosynthesis as top dog. During the transition to flower, the GRN remixes the hormonal homeostasis and the new top dog is sex. The GRN ensures in flower the reproductive responsibilities maintain primacy. The making of leaf is no longer more important than making flowers. In fact the flowers become so important that the leaf maintenance will be traded off for the remainder of the plants cycle.

This is why what we are seeing alarms me. Did our meja treatment dilute the primacy of flowering during flower development? And what will that cost ? Remember these are phytohormones, not sterols or fertilizers.
Don't be too alarmed. They are female and capable of multi-tasking! I can't wait to see how this one comes along.
 
For my purpose and as a means of understanding these abstract notes I grabbed. The verbiage used of +FR-induced hypocotyl elongation is a fancy way to say shade avoidance. The BR signaling pathway I highlighted is very important. I need to understand shade avoidance theories so I have read this stuff while gently enchanted via some Cali O.

"Brassinosteroid Pathway Is Inhibited by Salt and ABA
We hypothesized that PIF4 and PIF5 action could be inhibited through a change in activity of one of their interaction partners. In NaCl-treated roots, ABA production precedes a reduction of BR signaling [26] and it is known that BR signaling is necessary for +FR-induced hypocotyl elongation to occur [16]. This raises the possibility that during NaCl exposure ABA acts to inhibit BR signals. We tested the effect of brassinazole (BRZ- an inhibitor of BR synthesis) on hypocotyl elongation under +FR light. We found that BRZ, much like both NaCl and ABA, inhibited hypo-cotyl elongation very readily at low concentrations a hibition remained constant as concentrations increased (Fig-ure S4B). Intriguingly, hypocotyl length at this plateau was equal to that of +FR-treated plants grown on saline soil in the absence of BRZ. Furthermore, simultaneous application of ABA, BRZ, and NaCl had no further effect on the hypocotyl length of +FR-treated plants than NaCl treatment alone (Figure S4C), consistent with these compounds converging on the same pathway. Supporting this, application of epi-brassinolide (BL) rescued +FR-induced hypocotyl elongation in NaCl-exposed plants (Figure S4D). Hy-pocotyl length was rescued at low concentrations of epi-BL, upto the extent of +FR-treated control plants grown in the absence of NaCl (Figure S4D). We also observed that epi-BL could not rescue hypocotyl elongation in the yucca 2589 mutant (Fig-ure S4E), which probably indicates that in our conditions, BR-mediated rescue of hypocotyl elongation is auxin dependent.

Soil Salinity Acts through the ABA Pathway Many plant responses to soil salinity are mediated through the hormone abscisic acid (ABA) [11]. We found that transcripts of SAG 29 (an ABA-responsive gene [12]) accumulated to high levels in +NaCl +FR conditions (Figure 2A). This accumulation did not occur in plants lacking four ABA-responsive transcription factors"

Wow, not so sure some of the conclusions but BR signaling research is not so plentiful so we learn from what we can.
 
So is Cali 2 exhibiting all this abnormal shade avoidance in flower because the meja foliar treatment interacted with the BR signalling pathway we wonder. These tid bits of knowledge may help cumulatively if I can stay focused. Lots of leads to investigate as we garden. :)

special nods to the 5 conductors of the above study.
 
Ahoy there 420,
End of the day gardener ramblings you may or may not find interesting.

@Skybound was on the ball with his caring advice of ditching JR Peters nutes. At his suggestion and some other high powered growers, I contacted a new provider (Greenleaf Nutrition) and have gotten amazing customer support including them stopping here on our thread to check us out. I had been running with Jack's for two years and discovered I was not feeding them correctly for maximum quality and yield. The smacks @ JRPeters have not answered several urgent emails. Gracious of them folks.
 
BR signaling is necessary for +FR-induced hypocotyl elongation to occur
If shade avoidance is a function of BR signaling we may have just found a very important clue. Surprise developments like this is what keeps me up until 0200 and this farmer is up at 5 every morning. :)

@Graytail I was hoping for a clue. This is a sweet one.
 
When it comes to artificial sources of illumination I use when conducting my studies, I am not well suited to discuss much as I am not informed on the subject. But I can tell you of my observations. I bring this up because my apprentice gardener recently solicited my advice about an upgrade to his first gardens lighting. He was going to purchase a 1,000W full spectrum LED grow light he found on amalizard. I gently asked how much he was spending and his reply of $80 floored me. He texted me the link. FRjjhing jerks. This is a sick and not wealthy veteran they are hoping to fool.

Folks, my 300W FS LED from TalltreesLED is about $1,000 new. Worth every penny. Outperforms my 600W HID in big ways although does not replace it. You are not going to get the same quality and, in this case, it is just plain lying on e-bay or anywhere else. Due diligence is warranted. There are lots of shady companies preying on cannabis growers as well as consumers.
 
I think JR Peters preferred customer is large ops and not in the canna industry. Their Jack's 321 system is alright, but you gotta buy their part A, and get yur own Epsom and Cal Nite. Not to mention added calmag and PK boosters if desired.

I am emulating Greenleaf's Megacrop with a calmag and I'm loving it! Their 1/20 ratio of NH4+ to NO3- is spot on and the girls veg well on it. I'm also a fan of their elevated zinc and boron. Their micro regimen isn't too far north of where I was previous. Also, for me in rockwool, their minute add of silica @ 0.9ppm puts my PH right on 5.9 and it STAYS there all week for the most part with only a random deviation, and that can just be my meter buggin out on me.

I was very skeptical of Megacrop when I first saw their numbers, but they've since dialed in their formulation and everyone that uses it is growing gold!
 
older note: "This is why what we are seeing alarms me. Did our meja treatment dilute the primacy of flowering during flower development? And what will that cost ? Remember these are phytohormones, not sterols or fertilizers."

The flowering does not appear to have been interrupted and actually looks to have benefited in several ways after treatment with 100 ppm. meja foliar spray. The new information on shade avoidance indicates we may not be interfering with flowering primacy as was my concern. Rather than acting on GRN signaling pathways that control reproductive responsibility, we are antagonizing BR signaling pathways that as @stoneotter pointed out, are readily accomplished via multi-tasking. We are gonna have to get stone a lab coat. :)
 
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