Exceptionally High Feco Yeilds: Straw Hat Notes

Maritimer said:
Watching over @Krissi1982 drought thread makes me realize why I am retiring from this lecture circuit.
Science cannot move mountains. After all we have learned and shown the world, real people still believe the earth is flat. What can you say to a man who really has no faith in science? Sad to witness, even sadder to be a part of the discussion. :(
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We all can get bogged down in exasperation at times but we can never be all things to all people, we can only speak our thoughts to those who are listening. Or in our case, we're listening to you and we're not changing the channel just because others aren't watching it, it doesn't work that way. So enjoy another toke from your wonderfully grown buds @Maritimer and know we are excited and interested in this exploration, and we very much appreciate your efforts! :thanks:
 
Maritimer said:
Watching over @Krissi1982 drought thread makes me realize why I am retiring from this lecture circuit.
Science cannot move mountains. After all we have learned and shown the world, real people still believe the earth is flat. What can you say to a man who really has no faith in science? Sad to witness, even sadder to be a part of the discussion. :(
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I'm seeing more people reading the process and liking it actually. Plants grow slowly and this does too. The idea got(and still is getting) well rooted in Krissi's journal, it's growing slowly, just not blooming yet. The fact we can only experience it twice a year is the hard part! Since it's not an exact science we can, or the plant can have an off day and blow the procedure. Good thing it's free and still doesn't cost bud if impaired! It's blooming in me brother!
 
InTheShed said:
Why not post them here?
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As has been the case more often than not, you are right.

My apology for letting my panties get all balled up in a knot.

I am grateful to have each of you be a part of me.

Again, please accept my apology.
 
@Emilya old friend,
had not talked in too long, hope you recover quickly. :love:
Just ordered my first couple bags of LOS Malibu Compost from BAS
My conversion to something like you and @StoneOtter run that I told you was coming.
I might need some guidance.
Thanks
Dave
 
Maritimer said:
@Emilya old friend,
had not talked in too long, hope you recover quickly. :love:
Just ordered my first couple bags of LOS Malibu Compost from BAS
My conversion to something like you and @StoneOtter run that I told you was coming.
I might need some guidance.
Thanks
Dave
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Hi! I am always willing to help if I am able. :circle-of-love:

Send me an @Emilya and I usually come running... this week maybe a bit slower than normal. Recovery is going well, but it's just the flu. We all got it together and now the family is immune for the rest of the season. Don't play into the hysteria. Be well my friend.
 
That's a fine Critical Kush Maritimer but I have to tell you the Otters Dream looks phenomenal! :adore: Your magic puts the kick in kickass! Edit: Wait until you taste that stuff! My experience is it's the best blueberry tasting bud of any I've had!
 
Live Organic Soil they says!
I buys 2 bags of Build a Soil LOS with the product name LOS Malibu Compost.
Bags come with zero gardener guidance except what looks like a feed schedule for the soil.
Of course I need to buy this stuff and feed it to the soil.

starting to sound like LOS might cost more than the conversion to hydro I have considered.

any helpful hints from you folks would be welcomed.
Is this stuff I bought ready for a full plant to harvest with just water or not?
 
Maritimer said:
Live Organic Soil they says!
I buys 2 bags of Build a Soil LOS with the product name LOS Malibu Compost.
Bags come with zero gardener guidance except what looks like a feed schedule for the soil.
Of course I need to buy this stuff and feed it to the soil.

starting to sound like LOS might cost more than the conversion to hydro I have considered.

any helpful hints from you folks would be welcomed.
Is this stuff I bought ready for a full plant to harvest with just water or not?
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Alrighty now! What were your thoughts to begin with? I'd be adding it in my soil when it's time to amend between grows. Maybe a top dress if needed on a long flowerer.
 
StoneOtter said:
Alrighty now! What were your thoughts to begin with? I'd be adding it in my soil when it's time to amend between grows. Maybe a top dress if needed on a long flowerer.
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Hi Stone,
I thought it would be seedling to harvest with only water kind of gig.
What is a top dressing? Im guessing like when the peat gets packed down and I can see lots of root it would be placed on top. Your idea of adding to my peat mix during amendments sounds good. Any ratio suggestions.
 
Maritimer said:
Hi Stone,
I thought it would be seedling to harvest with only water kind of gig.
What is a top dressing? Im guessing like when the peat gets packed down and I can see lots of root it would be placed on top. Your idea of adding to my peat mix during amendments sounds good. Any ratio suggestions.
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I use a complicated mix from True Living Organics by The Rev. I found the following from a solid LOS guy Clackamas Coots. He and others go with the 33% rule mixing the main body of it. He goes into the whole soil mix. I'd think you'd use your compost in place of the vermicompost.​

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Coots Soil Mix Explained​

by Jim Bennett June 11, 2020
About 11 years ago I got a medical card under the rules of OMMP (Oregon Medical Marijuana Program. Not to grow per se but to get access to the 'strain of the week' through some of the groups like Oregon Green Free and a couple of others which no longer exist thankfully.

At the time Fox Farms Ocean Forest was the big deal for reasons that still boggles the mind with prices that were not consistent with the quality of the product. A tradition that lives on today in the cannabis scene - sub-standard soils with boutique prices.

So I began to test these soils out and it was clear that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between this or that soil. More of a matter of style over substance or maybe form over function.

Having owned and operated a commercial nursery grown different cultivars of Japanese Lace Maples for landscape architects in their resort, restaurant and commercial buildings. For this you have to grow the plant in large containers for a massive root mass which is spelled out in the contract.

This meant that you had the plants on your property for 4 or 5 years. This made the soil mix all-important vs growing annual plants for the retail market - Home Depot, Lowe's, Target, Walmart as well as the independent nurseries across the country meaning low-profit plants as you can imagine.

I decided to go for a soil that would meet the needs for growing one of the highest dollar plants - weed. After a few changes this is what I came up with...the Clackamas Coot Soil Mix...

Clackamas Coot Soil Mix

By volume mix the following...

1/3 Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss (CSPM)
1/3 Aeration - I use 3/8" pumice (aka volcanic glass - completely inert)
1/3 Vermicompost

When it comes to CSPM it does not matter one iota as far as the brand as long as it's designated as CSPMA (Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss Association) which is a partnership between the handful of authorized harvesters and the Canadian government. CSPMA sets the harvest limit and not market demands.

You should ind this at Home Depot and Lowe's in 3.8 cf bales and if it is not available at your local stores then order it online (HomeDepot.com) and have them 'ship to store' at your store of choice. No charge for shipping and handling!

A cubic foot is about 7.20 gallons or 115 cups...

To this I add the following amendments to each 1 cubic foot..

1 cup kelp meal
1 cup neem meal or an equal amount of neem & karanja mix
1 cup of limestone or more exactly Calcium Carbonate CaCO3 so Oyster Shell Powder/flour can also be used as it is also a pure Calcium Carbonate material
1/2 cup Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) available at all DIY stores but you must get the material in the garden section and not in the home remodel section. There are 2 forms of gypsum so make sure you get the one for soil and not walls...

Finally there is the rock dust which I recommend 3 cups of either basalt or granite. Only these 2 materials are 'paramagnetic' which is an integral part of the CeC discussion (Cation exchange Capacity).

Rock dusts like Azomite, bentonite, zeolite and others are called 'colloidal minerals' - alumina-silicate. For example Azomite is a brand name. A geologist would know it as "Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminosilicate" and it's known as "Montmorillonite clay"

This clay has been used in France to built ceramic bread ovens which look like a bee hive. They have a small door in the front of the oven where loaves of bread are move in and out using what is called a peel.

While it makes a great ceramic oven I can't find much to cause me to recommend it in a true living soil that is supposed to last 'forever' if taken care of using organic methods.
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This is VanStank's recipe:
Seeing your reply reminded me that I owe you and @dynamo1 the Stank Soil recipe. Found my notebook so here goes!

This batch will generally yield around 50-60 gallons of finished soil depending on the brand of soils, EWC, Coco or Promix you use.

Base items
(2) 1.5 cf bag soil (I use Roots Organic but have also tried Nectar of the Gods as well)
(1) Bag of Coco (2 cf) or Pro Mix or Canadian Spagnum Peat Moss
(1) 30 LB Bag of Earth Worm Castings
(1) .5 cf Bag of Humus (I Use Ancient Forest Alaskan Humus)
.5 cf of BioChar (lots of brands out there or you can make your own...see the tube)
(1) Cup Neem/Karanja Cake (Been having a hard time finding this so feel free to substitute straight Neem Seed Meal)
(2) Cups Crap Meal
(2) Cups Shrimp Meal
(2) Cups Bio-Live (great general use fertilizer as its a combination of several things and is from the brand Down to Earth)
(2) Cups Fish Bone Meal
(2) Cups Langbeinite
(1) Cup Azomite
(1) Cup Alfalfa Meal
(1) Cup Bonemeal
(2) Cups Bio-Fish (from Down to Earth)
(2) Cups Soybean Meal
(1) Cup Glacial Rock Dust
(1) Cup Basalt
(2) Cups Gypsum
(1) Cup Fish Meal
(1) Cup Blood Meal
(3) Cups Greensand (They recently shut down the only Greensand mine opened in the USA, but supposedly Brazil has a mine that is filling the requirements.....but its still tough to find locally but available through the zon)
(1) Cup Seabird Guano
(1) Cup Bat Guano
(2) Cups Feather Meal (Great slow release N that won't burn plants and great for top dressings)
(2) Cups Oyster Shell Flour
(2) Cups Kelp Meal
(.5) Cup Rock Phosphate
(.5) Cup Dolomite Lime
(1) Tablespoon Humic Acid (powder)
(2) Tablespoon Azos (beneficial bacteria....can substitute with whatever is available)
(.5) Cup Mykos
(1) Cup Insect Frass
 
StoneOtter said:
This is VanStank's recipe:
Seeing your reply reminded me that I owe you and @dynamo1 the Stank Soil recipe. Found my notebook so here goes!

This batch will generally yield around 50-60 gallons of finished soil depending on the brand of soils, EWC, Coco or Promix you use.

Base items
(2) 1.5 cf bag soil (I use Roots Organic but have also tried Nectar of the Gods as well)
(1) Bag of Coco (2 cf) or Pro Mix or Canadian Spagnum Peat Moss
(1) 30 LB Bag of Earth Worm Castings
(1) .5 cf Bag of Humus (I Use Ancient Forest Alaskan Humus)
.5 cf of BioChar (lots of brands out there or you can make your own...see the tube)
(1) Cup Neem/Karanja Cake (Been having a hard time finding this so feel free to substitute straight Neem Seed Meal)
(2) Cups Crap Meal
(2) Cups Shrimp Meal
(2) Cups Bio-Live (great general use fertilizer as its a combination of several things and is from the brand Down to Earth)
(2) Cups Fish Bone Meal
(2) Cups Langbeinite
(1) Cup Azomite
(1) Cup Alfalfa Meal
(1) Cup Bonemeal
(2) Cups Bio-Fish (from Down to Earth)
(2) Cups Soybean Meal
(1) Cup Glacial Rock Dust
(1) Cup Basalt
(2) Cups Gypsum
(1) Cup Fish Meal
(1) Cup Blood Meal
(3) Cups Greensand (They recently shut down the only Greensand mine opened in the USA, but supposedly Brazil has a mine that is filling the requirements.....but its still tough to find locally but available through the zon)
(1) Cup Seabird Guano
(1) Cup Bat Guano
(2) Cups Feather Meal (Great slow release N that won't burn plants and great for top dressings)
(2) Cups Oyster Shell Flour
(2) Cups Kelp Meal
(.5) Cup Rock Phosphate
(.5) Cup Dolomite Lime
(1) Tablespoon Humic Acid (powder)
(2) Tablespoon Azos (beneficial bacteria....can substitute with whatever is available)
(.5) Cup Mykos
(1) Cup Insect Frass
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Thanks! That’s a keeper.

Pulling up a chair in this one, @Maritimer if that’s okay with you. Good info here guys and gals.
 
Grandpa Tokin said:
Thanks! That’s a keeper.

Pulling up a chair in this one, @Maritimer if that’s okay with you. Good info here guys and gals.
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Wow GT,
I was just thinking about you. I remember when I could only handle the rosin a little at a time on the outside of joints. You told me that was ok. Things have changed.

And of course, you are always welcome here. :hookah:
 
StoneOtter said:
This is VanStank's recipe:
Seeing your reply reminded me that I owe you and @dynamo1 the Stank Soil recipe. Found my notebook so here goes!

Stoneotter my friend, you are on my permanent well wishes list. You give me reason and occasionally rhyme.
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