Emmie's Perpetual Vegetative Grow Rooms - 2020-2021

A quick update without pictures...
The clones are all still standing and looking healthy, but no visible roots yet. I am seeing what looks like the starts of root regions beginning to form on the stems... we could be just days away.

The Kosher Daddy's are growing ridiculously fast and are going to need to be uppotted soon, maybe today after I get home from work. My plan is to put them in some 3/4 gallon hard sided pots that I have handy, before we find our males and get the remainders into 5 gallon cloth bags for their final run.

The Durban Poisons are also doing fabulously under this light, in this soil and with these nutrients... whatever is working is definitely working... the plants are growing like crazy. They are still a ways from needing to be uppotted, and when they do, I am going to move them into my velcro sided 1 gallon bags, for a second round in those bags that are still holding up just fine... I think they claimed 3-5 grows with them before they wear out. I am still on the fence about these, since it is so much easier to extricate a plant after slicing the bag down 2 sides, and at an average of .88c per bag, I really don't mind having to supply new bags each time.

The 4 big plants have all been transplanted to 5 gallon bags and are basking under the bright cob lights, right now putting out 26k-14K LUX, depending on which plant's top the reading is taken under. At the moment this isn't much of a worry, because I really want the NYCD to stretch out a bit anyway... let's let her reach for some light.

I promise pictures this evening... just didn't have time to do it on this round.
 
The clones are starting to bear fruit in the bubble propagator! I pulled up a couple of them this morning to peek and I saw little nubs of roots beginning to form! It won't be long now, and we will have another 8 or 9 plants join the party, some on their way to the mother room and others on a direct path to bloom, via the veg room. When we actually have some impressive roots forming, I will get some pictures. As soon as these clones have been planted, there are 2 more plants in the veg room that need to be cloned simply so we can create mother plants so that in later rounds we will have a bunch of NYCD and Strawberry Cough plants to make us happy. When those plants have been cloned and are going well, we will then deal with the Durban Poison... and a bunch of clones are going to be taken of that one!
 
I sat up all night waiting for the evening pics and they never came:(

woke up with some serious butt-hurt this morning.:p

hi Emilya:ciao:

and:thanks: for this
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StRoostifer said:
I sat up all night waiting for the evening pics and they never came:(

woke up with some serious butt-hurt this morning.:p

hi Emilya:ciao:

and:thanks: for this
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looking good! For last night's pictures, that I stayed up till 11pm producing, check in the individual grow journals for our 6 varieties of plants.... they are all there! :rofl: :slide:
 
Emilya said:
looking good! For last night's pictures, that I stayed up till 11pm producing, check in the individual grow journals for our 6 varieties of plants.... they are all there! :rofl: :slide:
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That’s the plant you saved me from chopping. :thumb:

I forgot you have separate journals, my baaaaaaad! :laughtwo:
 
My clones still have not developed roots, and it dawned on my stupid self why sometime yesterday after a particularly strong bong hit. I knew to keep the bubble cloner out of the breeze so the humidity stays high around the plants, and to that end I set the contraption on the floor out of the way of all the construction mess, and the fans and just in some ambient light.

It turns out that ambient light is not enough to stimulate these cuttings to throw out roots. Last night I dug out a spare hanger and a yo-yo and I set up one of my spare 100w LED lights above the cloner in its temporary desk space. In just one night I notice now, a bit of hopeful activity down in the root zone. Sometimes I can be so stupid. A credit to the bubble cloner though... these plants are hanging on, even after so many days in limbo. No other cloning system would have had them still standing without roots.

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I Love that cloning device you've created. I would like to try some real cloning next season.

Have you ever had issues with clones outside?
From my understanding, clones do not produce rap root. I would think that is a fundamental root, for outdoors. Will they stand up to the harsh elements the same (heavy winds, rains etc.)
I mean obviously it xan be done, just curious to if you've noticed anything from your vast experiences. Besides the advantages that seem well documented.

You're doing great things, beautiful plants.
:green_heart: :yummy:
 
Emilya said:
A quick update without pictures...
The clones are all still standing and looking healthy, but no visible roots yet. I am seeing what looks like the starts of root regions beginning to form on the stems... we could be just days away.

The Kosher Daddy's are growing ridiculously fast and are going to need to be uppotted soon, maybe today after I get home from work. My plan is to put them in some 3/4 gallon hard sided pots that I have handy, before we find our males and get the remainders into 5 gallon cloth bags for their final run.

The Durban Poisons are also doing fabulously under this light, in this soil and with these nutrients... whatever is working is definitely working... the plants are growing like crazy. They are still a ways from needing to be uppotted, and when they do, I am going to move them into my velcro sided 1 gallon bags, for a second round in those bags that are still holding up just fine... I think they claimed 3-5 grows with them before they wear out. I am still on the fence about these, since it is so much easier to extricate a plant after slicing the bag down 2 sides, and at an average of .88c per bag, I really don't mind having to supply new bags each time.

The 4 big plants have all been transplanted to 5 gallon bags and are basking under the bright cob lights, right now putting out 26k-14K LUX, depending on which plant's top the reading is taken under. At the moment this isn't much of a worry, because I really want the NYCD to stretch out a bit anyway... let's let her reach for some light.

I promise pictures this evening... just didn't have time to do it on this round.
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Awesome stuff here. Cant wait to see everything up poted and really have some room to flourish.
Glad KD Genetics are shining through speedy growth. Have they started to "wood" up on the main stocks?
 
Kodiak420 said:
I Love that cloning device you've created. I would like to try some real cloning next season.

Have you ever had issues with clones outside?
From my understanding, clones do not produce rap root. I would think that is a fundamental root, for outdoors. Will they stand up to the harsh elements the same (heavy winds, rains etc.)
I mean obviously it xan be done, just curious to if you've noticed anything from your vast experiences. Besides the advantages that seem well documented.

You're doing great things, beautiful plants.
:green_heart: :yummy:
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Thanks! I have not had problems as you mentioned, but I have not grown a lot of plants outside either. Clones, being an offshoot of a much older plant, never got that early prime directive to send a tap root down to the bottom. It has only known mid veg type growth. That being said, we also know that roots are constantly adapting to the environment they find themselves in, and the roots do specialize into the various functions that are needed by the plant, if they are in the right conditions. If you water an outside in the ground plant, at the trunk, some of that water heads straight down from there. Over time, some of the roots will chase that water down as deep as it can go, and those roots will specialize into the tap/main roots that you speak of, as they are pressed into service to do so. We can also see that a clone will develop a primary bud, as the buds fight for dominance, and it is my belief that the same mechanism in the genetic code that makes that one the primary bud, also exists down below the soil, and one of the roots becomes the primary, and the one that goes seeking that deep water.


CADBOY said:
Awesome stuff here. Cant wait to see everything up poted and really have some room to flourish.
Glad KD Genetics are shining through speedy growth. Have they started to "wood" up on the main stocks?
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Yes they have, it looks like they are preparing to take on some weight. I clearly have 2 sizes here, 3 of each. Did you notice the males and females having this distinction?
 
Emilya said:
Thanks! I have not had problems as you mentioned, but I have not grown a lot of plants outside either. Clones, being an offshoot of a much older plant, never got that early prime directive to send a tap root down to the bottom. It has only known mid veg type growth. That being said, we also know that roots are constantly adapting to the environment they find themselves in, and the roots do specialize into the various functions that are needed by the plant, if they are in the right conditions. If you water an outside in the ground plant, at the trunk, some of that water heads straight down from there. Over time, some of the roots will chase that water down as deep as it can go, and those roots will specialize into the tap/main roots that you speak of, as they are pressed into service to do so. We can also see that a clone will develop a primary bud, as the buds fight for dominance, and it is my belief that the same mechanism in the genetic code that makes that one the primary bud, also exists down below the soil, and one of the roots becomes the primary, and the one that goes seeking that deep water.



Yes they have, it looks like they are preparing to take on some weight. I clearly have 2 sizes here, 3 of each. Did you notice the males and females having this distinction?
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Yes, I did notice that the males grew bigger, faster and taller in general and had been very easy to sex...

The females took longer to sex and after the calyx started showing they spread out quickly and fill in with growth.

At first I thought there would end up being 2 distinctly different height sizes in the females, but all the females ended up catching up and being close to the same size in general.

So far I've noticed even semitrical growth which is good. I just posted some new photos of KD on my thread to show the buds structure and formation if your interested.
 
I haven't mentioned the solar project lately. Everything is hooked up, all the appropriate warning stickers have been affixed to the house, a junction box has been installed to the side of the power company's meter, and it has a big knife switch set to the OFF position, with a security tie attached to it. I have been told that I can not actually apply the energy out of my solar panels to the system, until the power company does a Final Inspection. It took a week to get the request for the inspection to be acknowledged and another two weeks for an email to be sent telling us that we are on the list. It has been 2 weeks on tuesday since we received that email. We remain hopeful, and once it goes live, I should get my rebate check, and my regular monthly bills should start with the solar finance company. So far during this process, we have not gotten even our first actual power bill from the power company... last I saw was an electronic notice for MINUS $168. hmmm
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The grow room project is coming along nicely and today we got the bloom room 95% completed. There is still a lot to do to finish it up, but at this point, the 4 separate grow areas are functional. Airflow has sort have been achieved through the area, at least for now we are pushing air out of the bloom room, where it gets sucked back in on the veg side to go outside. We have installed a vent in each window, from outside the left is outflow and the right is intake.
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The room is completely reflective, and there is plenty of space, other than there being a bit of a headroom deficiency and I am sure that throughout the years, supercropping the tall ones is going to become my good friend.

The MEGA has been positioned in the center back of the room, airflow is coming right in the window behind them and being pumped right down onto the floor.
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I have a measured 33k LUX at the top of Gummy and 26k LUX at the top of D-Cheese, and as they double in height during stretch, the LUX at the top of the canopy is going to be dreamy. It is freaking bright in there!

Security has been set up, the camera on the wall and the dog on the floor
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It has been 15 days since I took my clone cuttings and put them in the bubble cloner. By all rights, and by any other method I have used, they would be dead by now, but here they are, still strong and standing.

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There are still no roots growing. None. I actually see vegetative growth where I was expecting roots! What gives?

I do have to say though, that this is credit to the bubble cloner for keeping them alive all of this time, but this is ridiculous. I went back to my original article on this cloner to look for a clue, and there it was, right in front of my dumb self.

Cloning gel. I forgot the cloning gel! So I ordered some next day delivery and tonight I have re-scored the stems and scraped some new regions bare. On two of them, I simply started over with a new 45 degree cut. They all got 15 seconds in the dip. I am betting that in 5-7 days, we have roots.
 
clones they do better under t5s or cfl , misting with seaweed extract can help too ( very very weak diluted mix ), there is hormone in the seaweed to promote root growth , i do old skool cloning , the temps need to be right in the bubbler too :)
 
Fudo Myoo said:
What is this bubble cloner you speak of, and where might I find one?
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you can spend $ on a prebuilt or just diy one with a tupperware container. em built the one she is using.
look in to making an aerocloner as well. same principles, a bit more sophisticated.

there are builds in the diy section for both and a number of folk on the board run them.
 
bluter said:
you can spend $ on a prebuilt or just diy one with a tupperware container. em built the one she is using.
look in to making an aerocloner as well. same principles, a bit more sophisticated.

there are builds in the diy section for both and a number of folk on the board run them.
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Cool thanks, I’ll check it out.
 
Fudo Myoo said:
Cool thanks, I’ll check it out.
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10 Minute DIY Tupperware Bubble Cloner

I have made several of these over the years, and I am pretty sure I remember giving my last one away. Today I had a need to reliably produce a large number of clones, and the easiest and most reliable method I have found is the bubble cloner. After finding the suitable plastic tub to destroy...
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Jack420 said:
I’ve used aloe for cloning great success an ben working for me for years in days i have roots
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I have heard that this works, as well as aspirin and soaking weeping willow branches in water... but the cloning gel stays put for a couple of days after dipping it in there, and it is cheap. I have just learned with this latest fiasco that this step is necessary in order to get the success rates and rooting speed that I had previously seen with this cloner.
 
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