Emmie's LSD Grow Log

[Emilya Green]

Age of grow - 101 days
Days since last feeding - 5
Days since last watering - 4
Days since last foliar - 5

The plants are all building roots rapidly in these new containers and just 4 days after the last very complete watering, they needed more. If they continue as they are doing, I feel very confident that by the time of their next feeding in 9 days, they will be ready to flip, with the wet/dry cycle down to a very impressive 2 or 3 days.


The root growth in the last 4 days has been remarkable, and as much as I would like to, I can't credit my DIY Dandelion fermented root extract as the entire cause for this dramatic growth. I think the red trigger light has a lot to do with this, as it has been in operation at each light change for this watering cycle. I believe we are already seeing a dramatic effect from the red lights coming on for 20 minutes before and after each light change, for 40 minutes, twice a day.

Here are the plants standing up tall after all the rearranging, and drooping at the bottom just a little because they need water.

 

[Emilya Green]

Age of grow - 109 days
Days since last feeding - 12
Days since last watering - 8
Days since last foliar - 12
Transition - Day 1

To those of you in the US of A, Happy Thanksgiving! To the rest of the world, Happy Black Friday Eve! The girls have been getting an extended dryout, with one mini watering around the edges about 5 days ago, but going 8 days between waterings after such a good cycle last time, probably had more to do with the tumbling temperatures more than anything else.

I let them go this time, and I suspect they will do a lot better on this round. The winter is approaching much too quickly and it is time to get this bloom going. It was the 12th day since last feeding, but because of the long wet/dry cycle, I decided that now was the time to feed them. This time they got BLOOM.

So yes, the flip was made and the bloom room is now on 12/12 with the red lights at each end for 20 minutes. It makes sense that the actual flip to bloom will happen faster with these trigger lights going, and I expect actual bloom to come in faster than the average 7 days for this flip. We shall see. Hypothesis, test and conclusion to come. Science!

I took my eyes off of the ball as far as foliar spraying, and sure enough, the bugs had a resurgence. I have now foliar applied the SNS 203, and will get back to doing it every 3 days. Other than that, the grow is perfect. There are no deficiencies to be seen and the plants all seem to be sturdy and healthy. I will show you some of the leaves affected by the bugs.

I have changed the way I am using the build as you go tomato cages. Each of the 3 sides of the triangle they make have been individually readjusted, pulling some of the growth outside of the cage so as to allow the center to get more air and light. We will continue with this plan, now using the cages as a tool instead of a peragitive to keep the plants in a tight vertical column, and I think this is going to significantly add to the yield of these plants.

Lastly, I have a very welcome visitor, one noted in each of the active rooms, working hard to get rid of my other bugs... I have a couple of volunteer ladybugs on the plants! I always consider it a fortunate thing to have helpful critters show up in my indoor grows, and I am thinking very seriously of investing in a herd of these little guys.

And here are some more pictures, giving you a good overall look at the room

 

[Jon]

Age of grow - 109 days
Days since last feeding - 12
Days since last watering - 8
Days since last foliar - 12
Transition - Day 1

To those of you in the US of A, Happy Thanksgiving! To the rest of the world, Happy Black Friday Eve! The girls have been getting an extended dryout, with one mini watering around the edges about 5 days ago, but going 8 days between waterings after such a good cycle last time, probably had more to do with the tumbling temperatures more than anything else.

I let them go this time, and I suspect they will do a lot better on this round. The winter is approaching much too quickly and it is time to get this bloom going. It was the 12th day since last feeding, but because of the long wet/dry cycle, I decided that now was the time to feed them. This time they got BLOOM.

So yes, the flip was made and the bloom room is now on 12/12 with the red lights at each end for 20 minutes. It makes sense that the actual flip to bloom will happen faster with these trigger lights going, and I expect actual bloom to come in faster than the average 7 days for this flip. We shall see. Hypothesis, test and conclusion to come. Science!

I took my eyes off of the ball as far as foliar spraying, and sure enough, the bugs had a resurgence. I have now foliar applied the SNS 203, and will get back to doing it every 3 days. Other than that, the grow is perfect. There are no deficiencies to be seen and the plants all seem to be sturdy and healthy. I will show you some of the leaves affected by the bugs.

I have changed the way I am using the build as you go tomato cages. Each of the 3 sides of the triangle they make have been individually readjusted, pulling some of the growth outside of the cage so as to allow the center to get more air and light. We will continue with this plan, now using the cages as a tool instead of a peragitive to keep the plants in a tight vertical column, and I think this is going to significantly add to the yield of these plants.

Lastly, I have a very welcome visitor, one noted in each of the active rooms, working hard to get rid of my other bugs... I have a couple of volunteer ladybugs on the plants! I always consider it a fortunate thing to have helpful critters show up in my indoor grows, and I am thinking very seriously of investing in a herd of these little guys.

And here are some more pictures, giving you a good overall look at the room

Beautiful. So that's what bug leaves look like? Cuz that doesn't look like any nute thing I've ever seen. What kind of bugs specifically are doing that?

 

[Emilya Green]

Beautiful. So that's what bug leaves look like? Cuz that doesn't look like any nute thing I've ever seen. What kind of bugs specifically are doing that?

Thrips

 

[Jon]

Thrips

So is the way those leaves look the way a thrip infestation always looks? Or will the leaves look different depending on how bad it is and such? I'm wondering if I see leaves that look like that ever should I first look for thrips.

 

[Emilya Green]

So is the way those leaves look the way a thrip infestation always looks? Or will the leaves look different depending on how bad it is and such? I'm wondering if I see leaves that look like that ever should I first look for thrips.

I honestly don't know because before I moved the grow rooms to this attic, I rarely had issues with bugs. I am not even 100% sure its thrips... but I did spot the little wormy critter on the back of my leaves, so it got sprayed.
My general rule is that if it doesn't look like a standard deficiency, I start looking for bugs, fungus and mold.

 

[StoneOtter]

Time warping in to wish you a Good Thanksgiving Em!

 

[Emilya Green]

Time warping in to wish you a Good Thanksgiving Em!

Thanks SO and please give my greetings to Mrs Otter too!

 

[Timhomegrow]

Looks great! Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving

 

[Emilya Green]

Looks great! Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving

Hi Tim! Right back at ya! It was a bit surreal not having my Brother at the table, but we all needed to get through this together. It was good seeing Dad come out of his funk and have fun too. I think doing the whole regular family dinner together helped and we all had a good time watching that amazing football game and eating till we could eat no more.

 

[Emilya Green]

Age of grow - 115 days
Days since last feeding - 7
Days since last watering - 7
Days since last foliar - 1
Transition - Day 6

Everything is going very well and I believe that tomorrow will be the last day of transition. The recent two sprayings of SNS 203 has really put a hurt on the bugs, or the ladybugs, but in either case the plants are looking a lot better. Their shapes are beautiful and I might have a POTM sitting here... time will tell. So far not a lot of stretch to notice, probably because the NextLight Mega has been moved down so low. I don't think there is any question that they are getting all the light they need. Widening the plants out within the cages seems to have greatly accelerated the amount of buds growing on each branch... it seems that added air flow and light makes a big difference.

The red lights seem to be doing their job and soon we are going to test what they can add to this grow. I am going to try to extend the light period to as much as 14/10 with the trigger lights making certain that they don't revert back to veg. More DLI means bigger buds, at least that is the hypothesis. Let's see how far we can go.

 

[Jon]

Age of grow - 115 days
Days since last feeding - 7
Days since last watering - 7
Days since last foliar - 1
Transition - Day 6

Everything is going very well and I believe that tomorrow will be the last day of transition. The recent two sprayings of SNS 203 has really put a hurt on the bugs, or the ladybugs, but in either case the plants are looking a lot better. Their shapes are beautiful and I might have a POTM sitting here... time will tell. So far not a lot of stretch to notice, probably because the NextLight Mega has been moved down so low. I don't think there is any question that they are getting all the light they need. Widening the plants out within the cages seems to have greatly accelerated the amount of buds growing on each branch... it seems that added air flow and light makes a big difference.

The red lights seem to be doing their job and soon we are going to test what they can add to this grow. I am going to try to extend the light period to as much as 14/10 with the trigger lights making certain that they don't revert back to veg. More DLI means bigger buds, at least that is the hypothesis. Let's see how far we can go.

Oh. When you go red you turn of the Next Light and go JUST reds? Interesting. I haven't done it that way. I mix the reds and the full spectrum. I may have to try it like this. I'll be watching closely to see what kind of results you get. How will you measure said results? The reds aren't going to make them get bigger, just more terpinated and resinated. So how will you measure that? Assessing your buzz? Smell? Taste? All those are unobjective. Just curious.

 

[Emilya Green]

Oh. When you go red you turn of the Next Light and go JUST reds? Interesting. I haven't done it that way. I mix the reds and the full spectrum. I may have to try it like this. I'll be watching closely to see what kind of results you get. How will you measure said results? The reds aren't going to make them get bigger, just more terpinated and resinated. So how will you measure that? Assessing your buzz? Smell? Taste? All those are unobjective. Just curious.

I assume there is already enough red in my Nextlight and my little $60 panel of deep and far red is hardly going to make much of a difference in the overall light spectrum. It's real power isn't while the Nextlight is on, but when the reds are the only light the plants are seeing.
I am running the red lights 20 minutes before and after a light change. The bloom lights come on at 6am. At 5:40 the red light comes on, alerting the plants of the coming dawn. I believe they are staying short because of this red light helping to wake them up. The red remains on until 6:20 in combination with the Nextlight... not sure how much effect on the plants this is having, but I think this morning routine is going to help minimize stretch. Then at 6pm, the big lights go off. This time, the red light that runs till 6:20 pm is putting the plants into the night mode very rapidly. It is my belief that this 20 minute segment is what will allow me to run maybe as much as 15 hours of light, without them reverting back to veg.
Today should be the first day of bloom, and once confirming that, I will start edging the 12 hours of light up a bit, gradually increasing to 14/10.
This time there is nothing to compare to quality wise, so I am just expecting good pot. The indicator of success on this round is going to be whether they stall out in bloom or not, whether they try to go back into veg. If they continue to bloom hard, staying short and obviously taking full advantage of the longer day, I am going to consider this a success. The results should be easy to see, considering that I will be adding 14 hours of light a week to the DLI.

 

[Jon]

I assume there is already enough red in my Nextlight and my little $60 panel of deep and far red is hardly going to make much of a difference in the overall light spectrum. It's real power isn't while the Nextlight is on, but when the reds are the only light the plants are seeing.
I am running the red lights 20 minutes before and after a light change. The bloom lights come on at 6am. At 5:40 the red light comes on, alerting the plants of the coming dawn. I believe they are staying short because of this red light helping to wake them up. The red remains on until 6:20 in combination with the Nextlight... not sure how much effect on the plants this is having, but I think this morning routine is going to help minimize stretch. Then at 6pm, the big lights go off. This time, the red light that runs till 6:20 pm is putting the plants into the night mode very rapidly. It is my belief that this 20 minute segment is what will allow me to run maybe as much as 15 hours of light, without them reverting back to veg.
Today should be the first day of bloom, and once confirming that, I will start edging the 12 hours of light up a bit, gradually increasing to 14/10.
This time there is nothing to compare to quality wise, so I am just expecting good pot. The indicator of success on this round is going to be whether they stall out in bloom or not, whether they try to go back into veg. If they continue to bloom hard, staying short and obviously taking full advantage of the longer day, I am going to consider this a success. The results should be easy to see, considering that I will be adding 14 hours of light a week to the DLI.

Gotcha. You got balls, girl. I would be very hesitant with those beautiful bushes to go to 14/10 and take a chance on a reveg. Unless you want that. But it's a risk. You obviously are aware of that. I'll be very curious to see how it goes. And I am thinking about your theory concerning the red lights with respect to minimizing stretch. Hadn't thought about it that way. I was considering trying the blue light treatment at the end with the autos in the NextLight rig, in which I would give them just blue light and no full spectrum for 48 or 72 hours, to see what would happen. Heard a lot about it. But alas, the five did not (duh) finish together enough to try it this time.

 

[StoneOtter]

 

[Emilya Green]

Age of grow - 118 days
Days since last feeding - 10
Days since last watering - 1
Days since last foliar - 3
Bloom - Day 2

The LSD are still working on filling their containers with roots and I have been encouraging them to grow more roots by holding off on the water. They finally got a full watering yesterday, 9 days from the last one! Today they seem happy with that idea and I am betting that they really get going now and that by the time they are due for their next feeding in 4 more days, they will be ready for more water.

Transition took a common 7 days to get done, so that makes today the 2nd day of bloom for this 8-9 week plant.

The foliar application of SNS 203 is due again tomorrow.

The light schedule has been shifted in keeping with our experiment in longer bloom times made possible because of the red/far red trigger lights. We are now running 12:20/11:40, adding 20 minutes to the day.

Here are the girls, along with a surprise Bushmans, giving us a sneak peek on the larger bushmans harvest that will happen on the next round. I will start with some very bad bud shots... sorry, I was hurrying.

 

[Emilya Green]

Age of grow - 123 days
Days since last feeding - 15
Days since last watering - 6
Days since last foliar - 8
Bloom - Day 7

Today was feeding day, and also thankfully, the plants had drastically shortened their wet/dry cycle and needed that water. We are roughly a week into Bloom and except for the bugs trying to make a comeback, everything is good. I really need to commit to getting up there to foliar spray every 3 days, before I end up making some sort of silly end of year resolution to do so.

I have no report to give you on the effect so far on the longer day, because I made a mistake and had two competing rules controlling that light, and it was still going off faithfully at the end of 12 hours. The red light however had been shifted by 20 minutes, so it was coming on this last week at lights off and staying on for 40 minutes. The morning had not been shifted and the red light remained at 20min before and after the light comes on. hmmm. The error on programing has been corrected and now the lights will be running an extra 20 minutes each day. The interesting thing to note however is while we should be well into stretch and having to raise the NextLight a bit as the plants nearly double in size, they have barely stretched at all! If the red light is indeed keeping the stretch to a minimum and keeping these plants short, it is worth the price of installing them.

I started my chores late tonight and the early off of the big light while I was sitting in there expecting 20 more minutes forced me to finish up the watering in red light, ending up with no pictures, and no foliar spray. I work from home tomorrow, so we will easily get the foliar done and give you some good pictures of what is happening then.

Until then, everyone please have a wonderful evening.

 

[Emilya Green]

I want to show you something absolutely amazing. We are 11 days into bloom, counting from the actual start of bloom, not the flip. Going back to flip, we are 18 days into bloom.

Where is the stretch??

Instead of 100% stretch, we have 2%-5% stretch going on here. The plants are definitely changing and putting a lot of bud sites on those branches, but they are staying short!

It's got to be the red lights...

I will give you some bud shots soon, but so far the extra 20 minutes has not knocked them out of bloom. I am going to go easy on this, but I do want to see how far I can push this extra light, especially knowing that the red lights can have such a profound effect. Here is a flash shot, taken just after the red lights went out. The light is 18" away, with 2.5 feet between it and the ceiling.

 

[StoneOtter]

That's pretty exciting Em! Any rooms with 12 foot ceilings? layering your grows might be something to think about?

 

[Emilya Green]

That's pretty exciting Em! Any rooms with 12 foot ceilings? layering your grows might be something to think about?

We have tall ceilings downstairs, but up in the attic the top is 6' 6"... not even enough headroom for a decent sized tent.

Age of grow - 128 days
Days since last feeding - 5
Days since last watering - 5
Days since last foliar - 13
Bloom - Day 12

Tonight the girls look like they are tolerating the added 20 minutes without a hitch... everyone is still flowering. They are also using water at a rapid rate now, and they will all need to be watered again tomorrow. This evening the goal was to get some pictures and to foliar spray them again with the fresh SNS 203 mix. The bugs are still in there, and I really need to be better about a 3 day schedule on the spraying.

All the plants are showing extremely good lift, great bud set development deep down into the canopy, and still no stretch to really speak of. The official measurement tonight showed most of the plants at an average of 8" from the NextLight, so we will see what happens as the traditional stretch period runs out. I am perfectly happy with short plants, and very excited that this may have been caused by the red trigger lights. Time and more experiments will tell the tale.

Here are some buds:

Here are the plants: