Ed's 1st Tent Grow: Wappa Twisted Sisters

[JimJonesJr]

Welcome aboard. Not easy knocking off the rust but sounds like you got this.

 

[ed the head]

Greetings Venerable Stoners

Everyone is thirsty this morning. Wilhelmina is even a tad droopy. I took care of Winterrose and Wynnifred first with plain 6.3 pH water. Next is Winona and Wilhelmina. They're due for veg nutes. 70% recommended dose of Dr Earth liquid fert brings my water to 4.5, I adjust it back to 6.5.

Tying as best I can to flood water from the outside rim inward. The water is running through quickly and then being wicked back up well. I take this as a good sign of well developed roots with fingers crossed.

It seems Wilhelmina is outracing her sisters in root development and in lob height. She hasn't said as much yet but I suspect she believes herself to be the Queen of the lot.

She is convincing me.

 

[PK]

You could adjust the ph to 6.5 but I know foxfarm potting mix you don't have to ph prior to feeding.
If you were using coco or growing hydroponic style then you would ph

 

[ed the head]

It appears like Winterrose is the conformist of the lot. She broke free of her second LST. The poor dear is just following her nature for good posture. I'm sorry my dear Winterrose but a Twisted Sister you must be. See not the obstacle but instead the opportunity.

This was easily adjusted with materials on hand, and I also picked up several good new concepts from various grow porn pics I've been devouring on

The sisters are all starting to consume water faster. Ambient humidity has been good at 50-60% but I expect that will drop as the winter sets in. Humidifier in the tent ready to compensate.

So far so good otherwise ... good solid dark green growth ... everyone seems happy

 

[ed the head]

Light pots this morning Watering time!

Thanks to @Emilya for the informative and entertaining write up on The Proper Way to Water a Potted Plant. We now have a nice watering ritual developing too. I really look forward to Watering Days and I hope Winona, Wilhelmina, Winterrose and Wynnifred do too.

Looking good 2 days shy of the 5th week birthday.

 

[ed the head]

Been reading about SCROG and I realized my trellis was too low

Good to catch it early it's now raised to about a foot, up about six inches. The kit came with a net trellis that I attached taught at the four corner posts with zip ties. Today I weaved an old curtain rod through the rear trellis and zip tied it to the corners hoping to make the trellis more sturdy. Keeping my eyes open for another discarded curtain rod.

I also LST'd Winona, Wilhelmina and Wynnifred again today. So far so good. Pots feel like their about half empty already.

 

[corytheghost]

Excited to see what happens with the wappa sisters. Good work!

 

[ed the head]

Twisted Wappa Sisters 5th weeks birthday

Wappa - Paradise Seeds

At the rate they're going it looks like they will be finished filling up the canopy this week
Flowering is supposed to be fast too, at 7.5-8.5 weeks

It looks to be a look no touch day. Pots are light but not light enough for water yet. Everyone's LST's are already recovered and reaching back upward .

Grateful Ed

 

[Buds Buddy]

Welcome to the forum @ed the head

Hey Ed, I use Fox Farm soils too. You don't need to PH your water/feed before hand, the soil will buffer it for you

Mocha, if his pH is going down to 4.7 when adding nutes I would say he better pH. Lime only does so much. pH for soil is best around 6.4. 4.7 is pretty low.

 

[MochaBud]

Mocha, if his pH is going down to 4.7 when adding nutes I would say he better pH. Lime only does so much. pH for soil is best around 6.4. 4.7 is pretty low.

You are correct I must have been high (good excuse) forgot to say "after" he gets his FF nutrient trio, he won't have to anymore he did say that some where didn't he

Man, I've had insomnia for about a week now, I probably shouldn't be posting anything

 

[Buds Buddy]

The Twisted Wappa Sisters
1. Winona Wappa, 2. Wilhelmina Wappa, 3. Winterrose Wappa, 4. Wynnifred Wappa

Going to be a real tight squeeze in there with 4 plants. 2 is about the norm in a 2' x 4' tent. You will need to start flower in the next week or 2 or you wont have room for 4 plants. 1 plant with a net will fill that tent & give you over 1/2 a pound. You need a bigger tent or less plants. 4 plants in a 4' x 4' tent can even get a little tight (usually what I do). However, my 4 x 4 is getting dedicated to mothers now.

 

[Buds Buddy]

You are correct I must have been high (good excuse) forgot to say "after" he gets his FF nutrient trio, he won't have to anymore he did say that some where didn't he

Man, I've had insomnia for about a week now, I probably shouldn't be posting anything

Yeah, he mentioned using them in flower. Sounds like the nute he's using now is causing the pH to drop so low. His plain water was 6.3. But then again my water is about 7.0 & drops some using MC ... but not that much.

 

[Buds Buddy]

you could adjust the ph to 6.5 but i know foxfarm potting mix you don't have to ph prior to feeding.
if you were using coco or growing hydroponic style then you would ph

Bad Advice. His pH is dropping to 4.5 with nutes. Lime isn't going to continually bring that pH back up to the mid 6's over time. The pH is too low so he needs to adjust. If it were in the mid 5's to mid 7's I'd say No need to pH. But at 4.5 I think it's necessary.
But to confirm I will ask the pro. Hey @Emilya, we need your Bill Nye the science guy expertise.

 

[ed the head]

Thanks @Buds Buddy . That's very encouraging information

I was anticipating moving to flowering in 2-3 weeks

The nuts and pH issue referenced was with my veg grow regimen. I use nuts every other watering. The brand is Dr. Earth Organic from Home Depot. I use about 70% recommended dosage. My plain tap water is usually a little high at +-7.5. I adjust plain water to around 6.5. The Dr Earth brings my tap water to +-4.7. I adjust this back to +- 6.5. Even if this may be unnecessary, I would rather be safe than sorry.

 

[Buds Buddy]

Thanks @Buds Buddy . That's very encouraging information

I was anticipating moving to flowering in 2-3 weeks

The nuts and pH issue referenced was with my veg grow regimen. I use nuts every other watering. The brand is Dr. Earth Organic from Home Depot. I use about 70% recommended dosage. My plain tap water is usually a little high at +-7.5. I adjust plain water to around 6.5. The Dr Earth brings my tap water to +-4.7. I adjust this back to +- 6.5. Even if this may be unnecessary, I would rather be safe than sorry.

Are you pH-ing the water & then adding nutes & then pH-ing again ? Add the nutes to your water. Check pH. Then adjust if needed.
I don't understand why people grow organic. What is the benefit in organics when you are going to smoke it anyway ?
Just because you only have to use water ? By the time you add all the ingredients to the soil you pay more then if you just use Mega Crop & Fox Farms Ocean Forrest. So somebody please tell why they grow organic. I just don't see a reason for it when I get these results using just FFOF & MC.

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[ed the head]

Thanks again @Buds Buddy.

I add nuts and then balance the pH.

Once I did it backwards and realized I wasted 5 ml of pH down so I won't make that mistake again.

As to your question on the merits of Organic, I better leave that to the experienced growers here. For my part, the Fox Farms was included in my (hopefully idiot proof) kit. I do carry a bias toward sustainable agriculture, but that's just a stoner tangent not worth pursuing for this topic. The way things are going, I think I will stick with the FF soil medium. It's definitely not broke so why fix it?

Thanks again for the feedback. Whatever you're doing is obviously working, what spectacular bud porn!

 

[Emilya Green]

Bad Advice. His pH is dropping to 4.5 with nutes. Lime isn't going to continually bring that pH back up to the mid 6's over time. The pH is too low so he needs to adjust. If it were in the mid 5's to mid 7's I'd say No need to pH. But at 4.5 I think it's necessary.
But to confirm I will ask the pro. Hey @Emilya, we need your Bill Nye the science guy expertise.

First, the question about organics... we grow organically so that our plants end up making all the decisions and we don't have to worry about creating nutrient mixes at just the correct dosage. Unlike a MC grow, we don't have to decide for the plant how much to give them, in an organic system the plants decide, so there is no over feeding. Since the ONLY reason we pH adjust our fluids into a certain range, is so that the EDTA chelated nutes can become mobile within that certain range... but in an organic grow, pH is not really a factor... the soil nor the microbes nor the roots, really care what the pH is as long as it is within a normal life supporting range.

Then our OP is taking a granular top dress type of nutrient, and mixing it with water and measuring its pH. Of course its pH is low. Does the soil care? No, and Dr. Earth wasn't designed to be used in this way. Why 75% also? Again, in an organic system, you are not lightly feeding your plant when you do this, you are simply not putting in the full amount of nutrients that will be needed into the soil, and at some point your plant will run out of what it needs. The plant doesnt know that you intended it to only feed at 75% capacity, so it will feed at full speed until it runs out.

 

[Buds Buddy]

Fox Farms soil is great. I've never used their nutes so can't comment on those. But you can grow 8 - 10 plants on a 1000 gram bag of Mega Crop for about $20 - $25. I usually get 8 - 11 oz. per plant using this.

 

[Buds Buddy]

First, the question about organics... we grow organically so that our plants end up making all the decisions and we don't have to worry about creating nutrient mixes at just the correct dosage. Unlike a MC grow, we don't have to decide for the plant how much to give them, in an organic system the plants decide, so there is no over feeding. Since the ONLY reason we pH adjust our fluids into a certain range, is so that the EDTA chelated nutes can become mobile within that certain range... but in an organic grow, pH is not really a factor... the soil nor the microbes nor the roots, really care what the pH is as long as it is within a normal life supporting range.

Then our OP is taking a granular top dress type of nutrient, and mixing it with water and measuring its pH. Of course its pH is low. Does the soil care? No, and Dr. Earth wasn't designed to be used in this way. Why 75% also? Again, in an organic system, you are not lightly feeding your plant when you do this, you are simply not putting in the full amount of nutrients that will be needed into the soil, and at some point your plant will run out of what it needs. The plant doesnt know that you intended it to only feed at 75% capacity, so it will feed at full speed until it runs out.

So from what I see pH even at 4.5 doesn't matter in organics & he should be feeding at 100% ? I've said it many times before & I'll say it again ..."I don't know shit about organics." Organics makes me think of health food & health food tastes like crap. I'm a fried food fanatic. I'll give up a couple years of life to enjoy what I eat ... lol. Not sure how the health benefits of organics would work with weed. Maybe it's just my perception of organics.
Thanks for the info though. Sure helped set me straight.

 

[ed the head]

Really appreciate the feedback @Emilya !