Duggan Does C&N's Devils Carnival

Hey Duggs, question for you or the other Docs kit users. When you speak of these kits, how much total soil do you produce? Just curious. Will help me visualize what you are talking about. Thanks brother!!
Hey Stank....about 45 gals. total per kit. With my 26ers i add the rest from a bag of old PM. to finish filling them rigjt up...
 
Hey Stank....about 45 gals. total per kit. With my 26ers i add the rest from a bag of old PM. to finish filling them rigjt up...

Ok, thank brother. About the same amount as I mix when I make my own soil. Easy enough to picture now when you talk about adding all your between run amendments.
 
hello Tard and thanks ...but my lights are at the top and have been there for a couple yrs now....my lights have zero to do with my plants issues...its the soil...100%. Too much organic matter in this 3 rd. ....4th run. Imo we add too many ewc's , leaves and roots while cooking for 3rd time without cutting with fresh PM. My recommendations for 3rd. run soil i believe to be very sound ....as i've already proven it. cheers eh...

Do you add ewc after the first run dude? As you might recall when curso started this trend back in the day, he didn't add eec after the first run, just leaves and ROOTS. I know for a fact he hasnt changed that process cuz we talk all the time and after the second run he only adds 15 lbs of ewc with amendment. I do the exact same thing but changed my light distance and the burning/crispy leaf thing stopped. Not trying to one up anyone bro, im just saying that ive experienced the exact thing youre going thru now. Hope it works out for ya!
 
Thanks for chiming in Doc. Tard ...yes sir...that method (Curs) will also work as Doc just said...there is more than one way to succeed at this...for sure! The bottom line is not to add too much organic matter back into later runs for re cooking and best to add fresh Promix HP to those runs.Doing these things will also help tremendously to reduce salt build up too....as Doc has mentioned. So ..there are a few ways to get this done...they will all work!cheers gang.....lets all keep on learning.....this particular grow has opened my eyes back up....i was getting a lil too comfortable anyhow...now ive learned a few more things.....its the NOT knowing part that angers and frustrates me.....now that i/we know more how it all works hopefully growers will take note of this info when cooking their DBHBB soil for later runs.
 
I ran for over 4 years and didn't label my soil bins and ended up with various unknown batches, but I was able to easily compare. What I discovered is that 3rd, 4th, etc run soil will be much blacker and denser that 1st run. I recycled all my foliage and roots as well as heavy additions of EWC during recharge. That adds a LOT of humus over time. Mixing in fresh ProMix restores the balance. But humus should be a good thing, increasing CEC. I think the problem is the biota populations and the byproducts of their work. We get increased mineral conversion, but also increased salts, and they eventually turn the soil sour. Cutting with more peat also solves that issue.

Ideally, we want to keep the humus but get rid of the salts. Flushing would seem to be the best solution.

I also wonder if a long resting cook would do any good. :hmmmm: I have some bins I haven't opened in a couple years, but I don't see how the salts would get converted in that scenario. Nature takes care of this with constant flushing and percolation.

So ... dilute or flush. Well-managed 3rd run soil can be amazing!

:Namaste:
 
Hey Duggan TGIF! Love your purple gal hope you can save her. I am so sorry you are having troubles this run. As I recall, you experienced a little of the crispy leaf last run so this started manifesting back last run.

Feel for you and cheering for you buddy. Turn that baby around don't give up! Look at how you helped me turn my BD around with some TLC.

Have a great weekend!
 
I ran for over 4 years and didn't label my soil bins and ended up with various unknown batches, but I was able to easily compare. What I discovered is that 3rd, 4th, etc run soil will be much blacker and denser that 1st run. I recycled all my foliage and roots as well as heavy additions of EWC during recharge. That adds a LOT of humus over time. Mixing in fresh ProMix restores the balance. But humus should be a good thing, increasing CEC. I think the problem is the biota populations and the byproducts of their work. We get increased mineral conversion, but also increased salts, and they eventually turn the soil sour. Cutting with more peat also solves that issue.

Ideally, we want to keep the humus but get rid of the salts. Flushing would seem to be the best solution.

I also wonder if a long resting cook would do any good. :hmmmm: I have some bins I haven't opened in a couple years, but I don't see how the salts would get converted in that scenario. Nature takes care of this with constant flushing and percolation.

So ... dilute or flush. Well-managed 3rd run soil can be amazing!

:Namaste:

There are two problems with small container growing:

1. leeching
2. nothing leeches due to use of a saucer

There are two main problems with recycling soil:

1. buildup of salts (naturally occuring salts)
2. buildup of organic matter (humus)

Too much of either will choke microbial life!

Back to the container problems....which lead to recycling problems....flushing post harvest (like winter rains) will help with salt buildup, as will adding fresh Promix.

But I don't have time for all that, so I simply discard the soil after 4 runs.
 
There are two problems with small container growing:

1. leeching
2. nothing leeches due to use of a saucer

There are two main problems with recycling soil:

1. buildup of salts (naturally occuring salts)
2. buildup of organic matter (humus)

Too much of either will choke microbial life!

Back to the container problems....which lead to recycling problems....flushing post harvest (like winter rains) will help with salt buildup, as will adding fresh Promix.

But I don't have time for all that, so I simply discard the soil after 4 runs.

Just to make sure I am doing this as per the experts

2. nothing leeches due to use of a saucer

When using the full amount of water my plants will hold
I usually get between 2 to 4 cups run-off, I either use the
drain spicket I installed on my drain pans or use a Small
car shop vac to remove the excess run-off.

7 gal pots hold 2.5 gal before run-off begins (dry out in 6 days)
in between I only use 1 gal so I can add the products a little faster
between watering (1 gal drys in 2 to 3 days)
 
Evenin' Duggs...Ya' seem in a lil' better humour today;)...shop vacs aren't that expensive... or even borrow one from work or a buddy since a good flush seems to be the immediate concern to help with your issue...hoping Ya' don't decide to give up on them and can still salvage something out of this run...cheerz Bud...h00k...:Hookah:
 
Gazoo, my 7 gallon goes 5 days with 1 gallon water. Weird.

I am sure its because your root system is better developed then mine. This also has to do with how
old she is, same thing, more time for roots to develop, the time between watering will change hopefully
gets shorter not longer as that could indicate a problem.

EDIT: OH Just realized your only giving 1 gallon ? how old are your
plants ? that seems rather long.
 
Cheers Hook, hope your day grooved ! TBH ,..i dont wanna talk about my plants.
Are you enjoying any of your harvest yet? This BT is still doing it's thang for me...
Have a great night eh!:high-five:

...lolool...fair enuff'...was a great day...hit 19C today...5 mile walk in shorts and a T-shirt...boat winterized and tarped and grass cut for the last time(I hope)...the harvest...still waiting to happen...nuked a small Mexi tester bud last night and given the qwik dry, was quite smooth and very pleasant...planned on chopping a couple tonight, but dayum...ended up having a nap...I figger' Sunday will see 4 or 5 get harvested...the OE and one SL will go a bit longer...I'll update my journal when things move forward...have a GREAT weekend(adult time!??...:rofl:)...cheerz...h00k...:Hookah:
 
Well if there is one thing I know that is NHL is here and I bet that makes you happy!

My Stars started off a little rough but have turned it around the past few games. WE GOT HITCH BACK! I've always liked him since his earlier stint in Dallas...heck he won us a Stanley Cup in 99. I was never much of a Lindy Ruff fan so I'm glad we're moving in a new direction.

Have a great weekend!
 
...lolool...fair enuff'...was a great day...hit 19C today...5 mile walk in shorts and a T-shirt...boat winterized and tarped and grass cut for the last time(I hope)...the harvest...still waiting to happen...nuked a small Mexi tester bud last night and given the qwik dry, was quite smooth and very pleasant...planned on chopping a couple tonight, but dayum...ended up having a nap...I figger' Sunday will see 4 or 5 get harvested...the OE and one SL will go a bit longer...I'll update my journal when things move forward...have a GREAT weekend(adult time!??...:rofl:)...cheerz...h00k...:Hookah:

OK , got it bud! Gotta love those 'naps' eh...lmao! Yes,...you know me too well Hook...LMFAO...ya baby.more "adult" time. No boys this weekend so...%$^&*( Mare and i haven't seen each other for that for almost 2 full weeks...prolly why i'm sooo anxious. (lack of a better word)...starts with a big 'H'.....LMFAO. Love ya Hook...have a great day would ya!:high-five:

Well if there is one thing I know that is NHL is here and I bet that makes you happy!

My Stars started off a little rough but have turned it around the past few games. WE GOT HITCH BACK! I've always liked him since his earlier stint in Dallas...heck he won us a Stanley Cup in 99. I was never much of a Lindy Ruff fan so I'm glad we're moving in a new direction.

Have a great weekend!
Yes Beaves,...you got it bud! I can't afford Rogers Super Sportspack ' this winter cuz of my new cell phone bills so will not get to watch many Wing games this yr....oh well, they suck anyhow. Glad to see you this morning my friend....:Namaste::high-five:

What's up duggs, are ya having a good weekend. I think I'm starting to come around, been getting on the site more this week
What a battle you have just won Buck ,..FFS's. my friend. I'm soo glad you are feeling better....now get that booking number to me would ya! There is still a lil room left in our "ocean going, high speed canoe" Hawaii Five 'O' style!! Come on Buck!!!!!!!:cheertwo::cheertwo::cheertwo::Namaste::high-five:

Morning all :passitleft:
Great day to ya Mr....you have a great weekend bud!:high-five:


DC update...well, the buds and colas are still swelling nicely , despite the poor health of the leaves. Not looking any worse after that huge drink of about 6.5 gals. of straight water.
Have a great Saturday all my brothas ,...and sistas too...:circle-of-love:
 
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