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Good weed sir. Hope your day has found you happy and growfull.
How fast are you dropping the light time sir?
untill I get to 9/15 or harvest
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untill I get to 9/15 or harvest
Fish Cake! do you drop lights like 10 mins a day or go day 7 = 30 mins less? I basically just started giving 10-15 mins less light for last week to 10 days.Dharma--As for CFL's, kinda depends on what you wanna get out of a grow. If you want to be hands on and grow enough to smoke CFL's can work. If you want to grow 5 pounds, you will need alot of extension cords... Im actually considering a tent and sometype of cooled light hood. Considering, not buying
Budget woes. 
Question is can I grow 2 plants well inside a Mylar tent with no cfl's, zero cfl's, absolutely no cfl's. I have a 24" hydro farm hood fixture that holds 4 24watt 24" bulbs. I think people are misunderstanding me and think I am using cfl's. I am not. The light I do have though, I think it amounts to 8000 lumens. Will that do well for 2 plants in a 20" deep by 36" wide Mylar tent?
So you have 4-24 inch Flourecant bulbs? Like t5's?
Yea, that will grow 2 plants easily. You would get better yield with HPS but that wil ldo the job sir.
Yea, that will grow 2 plants easily. You would get better yield with HPS but that wil ldo the job sir.
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U are using t5s yes? Like the strip light sometimes in kitchens just smaller like these
I think they are very good for vegging and clones. And I'm sure someone posted a link to a grow that was complete t5s start to finish.
I personally haven't followed a grow of that kind but can't see why it couldn't work. Would work better if when u hit flowering you added say........ 4x30watt household CFls lol they are usually 2700k spec perfect for flowering
I think they are very good for vegging and clones. And I'm sure someone posted a link to a grow that was complete t5s start to finish.
I personally haven't followed a grow of that kind but can't see why it couldn't work. Would work better if when u hit flowering you added say........ 4x30watt household CFls
lol they are usually 2700k spec perfect for flowering
Spimp, did I suck that bad at trying to tell people what I had that they kept thinking I had cfl's? Lol! To think I retired as a senior chief communicating to soldiers under fire and I can't tell them what lightbulb I am using LMAO!!!!
Yes, yes, now people know what I mean! If I wasn't out buy solo cups and plain potting soil to mix with my FF ocean I would put up the URL to what I bought on amazon. It's a Hydrofarm 24" 4 bulb T-5 HO fixture that came with 4 6400k bulbs and I bought 4 of the 3000k for flowering. Noooooooook C. F. L. S. !!!
Time for some honesty... I only read the last few pages before posting. I think I missed the original post.
I just saw Do.p post and figured Id chime in with my view on CFL's. And from what I understand, they perform similarly. One good advantage of tube flor's is only two hotspots, the ballasts.
I got 10 ballasts heating up my micro. No bueno lol
yep sorry my fault, i thought you was using t5's and 2700k cfls, i thought you was using a mixture of the 2,
so yes you can use them for veg and add the red 2700k for flower, like you said before a mixture of the 2,
but id also add some side lighting, t5's dont penetrate as much as a hps or mh so either put plants into flower early or get some side lighting,
my 400 watt dual spec hps puts out 55,000 lumins,
so 8000 lumins wont be doing much penetration,
so id have them above the plants to start with then as the plants get taller supliment with some normal cfls, same kelvin as t5's but the taller the plants get the more side lighting you will need, once the canopy gets big the rest of the plant will be in the shade, so you could either risk doing a scrog for your first grow, which not to hard but its your first time so id not go this route until you got everything else dialed in,
a scrog would work well as all the buds would be at the same height, you would have no growth at all below the canopy, all you would have below the scrog is stems and branches, everything else will be cut off before flowering and in flower so you would have an nice even canopy and lots of nice buds,
letting them grow normally under them lights will mean you will have a few decent buds and the buds below the canopy would be smaller and more fluffy, you could be 2 or 3 stage harvest where you harvest the top first and then keep the plant in flower till the other buds are ready but its stunts growth when you remove buds,
or the other option would be low stress training to open the plant up, using this method you can use string or something similar, i use pipe cleaners and just open the plant up, pull the branches one way or another so they are all getting light,
so you have a few options, if you wanted to grow as is with no lst or scrog then id add side lighting or dont let the plant get to big before going into flower, but that will results in lower yield so side lighting would be a good option if you didnt want to try lst or scrog method.
so yout t5's will be ok for a while at least till the plants get about 1ft high, after that you will struggle with light penetration, thats when id add some cfls for side lighting, the 23 watt cfls have the best watt to lumin ratio, the 30 watt ones are not far behind,
as for distance from the plants just hold your hand below the lights and check the temps, if its hot on your hand then its to hot for your plants then just raise the lights so the temp on back of your hand is not to warm, i would of though a few inches is good height, ive not used t5's so cant say for sure, but cfls can be within an inch if you use them for side lighting, the videos i have seen when growers use t5's for clones the lights are about 3 or 4 inches above the clone tray, so around 6 inches from top of the clones,
ive not seen a grow with just t5's, ive used cfls from start to harvest and they work so t5's will be the same, just keep the plant well lit up and you will get good results,
sorry for confusing everything,
so yes you can use them for veg and add the red 2700k for flower, like you said before a mixture of the 2,
but id also add some side lighting, t5's dont penetrate as much as a hps or mh so either put plants into flower early or get some side lighting,
my 400 watt dual spec hps puts out 55,000 lumins,
so 8000 lumins wont be doing much penetration,
so id have them above the plants to start with then as the plants get taller supliment with some normal cfls, same kelvin as t5's but the taller the plants get the more side lighting you will need, once the canopy gets big the rest of the plant will be in the shade, so you could either risk doing a scrog for your first grow, which not to hard but its your first time so id not go this route until you got everything else dialed in,
a scrog would work well as all the buds would be at the same height, you would have no growth at all below the canopy, all you would have below the scrog is stems and branches, everything else will be cut off before flowering and in flower so you would have an nice even canopy and lots of nice buds,
letting them grow normally under them lights will mean you will have a few decent buds and the buds below the canopy would be smaller and more fluffy, you could be 2 or 3 stage harvest where you harvest the top first and then keep the plant in flower till the other buds are ready but its stunts growth when you remove buds,
or the other option would be low stress training to open the plant up, using this method you can use string or something similar, i use pipe cleaners and just open the plant up, pull the branches one way or another so they are all getting light,
so you have a few options, if you wanted to grow as is with no lst or scrog then id add side lighting or dont let the plant get to big before going into flower, but that will results in lower yield so side lighting would be a good option if you didnt want to try lst or scrog method.
so yout t5's will be ok for a while at least till the plants get about 1ft high, after that you will struggle with light penetration, thats when id add some cfls for side lighting, the 23 watt cfls have the best watt to lumin ratio, the 30 watt ones are not far behind,
as for distance from the plants just hold your hand below the lights and check the temps, if its hot on your hand then its to hot for your plants then just raise the lights so the temp on back of your hand is not to warm, i would of though a few inches is good height, ive not used t5's so cant say for sure, but cfls can be within an inch if you use them for side lighting, the videos i have seen when growers use t5's for clones the lights are about 3 or 4 inches above the clone tray, so around 6 inches from top of the clones,
ive not seen a grow with just t5's, ive used cfls from start to harvest and they work so t5's will be the same, just keep the plant well lit up and you will get good results,
sorry for confusing everything,
My bong confused me sir, not you.
1 hour every 2 weeks
So half hour a week? And how long since you flipped? I've been trying to figure out what DLS I want to use this round. I'm at 4 weeks now, so wasn't planning to start reducing light for another week or two.
That's what I wanted to get straight, all I am using is my 2ft T-5 HO fixture, no cfl's. Do I still try and maintain inches from the plant with the 2ft fixture? I am hoping the 6' square space I am dealing with isn't too much space for the 2ft fixture since I will not have cfl's to supplement.
Jeff
Yes. Inches is fine with any type of fluorescent. The hand test is a good guideline. In veg, they can practically touch the light without damage, but you want a gap between the flowers. Those little pistils are tender!
It was also the way I communicated I think, but now that it's all straight, nxt month when money comes my way again, should I get a 23 watt 6400k cfl for each side (4) and the same for 2700k? Also, my 24" fluorescents are 3000k not 2700k, does that matter much?
thanks guys!
Jeff
thanks guys!
Jeff
no the 3000 will be ok for flower, anything from 2700 up to about 4000 ive seen growers use so that should be ok for flower,
as for the cfls it just depends how big you want your plants, if you grew them to 1ft in veg then id say get some for down the sides of the plants during veg and then when you flip 12-12 the plants will double in size and sometimes tripple in size depending on strain, so you would need some side lighting for sure for flower,
if it was me id use some lst to open the plant up, pull the side branches away from each other so one branch is not blocking the light to the branch below, doing this will ensure all the plant is getting light,
i use some lst now with my plants under hps, i just pull the branches away from each other so their getting light at all the bud sites, then any that are not getting light at the bottom of the plant i cut off and use as clones or throw them away if i not got room, anything thats struggling for light is just taking up nutes and energy from the plant, so i cut these weak branches off and then the plant puts all its energy into the buds getting full light,
so the lights you got now will be ok for veg and flower just mix them how you said earlier, if you use lst then you might not need side lighting, it just depends how big you want the plants and how quick each strain grows, with autos it dont matter, they will start flowering around week 2 to 4, but regular plants you decide when you go 12-12, but if you got 2 different strains growing then you might find one grows tall quick and the other stays bushy, so its difficult to say if you would need side lighting in veg,
but id say for flower you will need some side lighting, the regular household cfls will do the 23 watt or 30watt 2700k are about the best to get, for veg you might be ok with what you got.
or another option you have is if you got enough t5's then have some above the plants and have some down the side of tent, that way you would be getting the plants the most light possible,
as for the cfls it just depends how big you want your plants, if you grew them to 1ft in veg then id say get some for down the sides of the plants during veg and then when you flip 12-12 the plants will double in size and sometimes tripple in size depending on strain, so you would need some side lighting for sure for flower,
if it was me id use some lst to open the plant up, pull the side branches away from each other so one branch is not blocking the light to the branch below, doing this will ensure all the plant is getting light,
i use some lst now with my plants under hps, i just pull the branches away from each other so their getting light at all the bud sites, then any that are not getting light at the bottom of the plant i cut off and use as clones or throw them away if i not got room, anything thats struggling for light is just taking up nutes and energy from the plant, so i cut these weak branches off and then the plant puts all its energy into the buds getting full light,
so the lights you got now will be ok for veg and flower just mix them how you said earlier, if you use lst then you might not need side lighting, it just depends how big you want the plants and how quick each strain grows, with autos it dont matter, they will start flowering around week 2 to 4, but regular plants you decide when you go 12-12, but if you got 2 different strains growing then you might find one grows tall quick and the other stays bushy, so its difficult to say if you would need side lighting in veg,
but id say for flower you will need some side lighting, the regular household cfls will do the 23 watt or 30watt 2700k are about the best to get, for veg you might be ok with what you got.
or another option you have is if you got enough t5's then have some above the plants and have some down the side of tent, that way you would be getting the plants the most light possible,
FishCake,
If it's alright with you, it would be an honor if I could announce the official start of my own grow journal in yours? My grow tent got delivered about an hour ago, so I already got pics up and my dog Gracy, furthermore DharmaDog. Link to it is in my signature. It will be slow in the beginning as equipment arrives, but it won't lack for pics lol!
Jeff
If it's alright with you, it would be an honor if I could announce the official start of my own grow journal in yours? My grow tent got delivered about an hour ago, so I already got pics up and my dog Gracy, furthermore DharmaDog. Link to it is in my signature. It will be slow in the beginning as equipment arrives, but it won't lack for pics lol!
Jeff
Seriouslt I love this guy my dad was an M.O with the airforce way back Good weed to you Mr Fish Prabhu Ji and every one eles I think I will be down town by the time you read this if I can get her back in time I need to talk about a little problem I have posted in the 50s place
I don't know, I'm going into my decrepit small town nursery today, but from past experience they only had miracle gro potting soil which I will not use. I assume after germination and the plant comes up, my first transplant can be into FF ocean? Also since I have some experienced growers I pose a question...
I have Skywalker OG Kush Fem-Sensi, Northern Lights #5 X Haze Fem-Sensi, Silver LA Fem-DNA Gen, Auto White Widow-Vision, and Northern Lights Reg-Sensi. My question which couple should I choose to start with? I have no idea what happens throwing a reg in with a fem and I wouldn't know how to deal with it, I don't think. Can I clone off of a reg Northern Light? Can I clone off of an Auto White widow? Anyway, what do you guys think?
Jeff
invi
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Good weed Fishy an deveryone!
Hope you ppl all are having a nice time!
That's 5 sq feet right? Think you should have about 3-4 times the lumens to get dense buds.
Hope you ppl all are having a nice time!
That's 5 sq feet right? Think you should have about 3-4 times the lumens to get dense buds.
Good weed Fish Cake. Hope all i well in the pond. 
Morning fishy get skunked dude
Good weed Fishy an deveryone!
Hope you ppl all are having a nice time!
That's 5 sq feet right? Think you should have about 3-4 times the lumens to get dense buds.
Well, unfortunately that's a pipe dream for me, so does that mean the bud I do grow will be crap?
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1/2 hour a week is fine. I started DLS almost at 3weeks since the flip.
at 4 weeks would be fine for me to do DLS. or when the stretch has pretty much finished! Good Weed to you Hiker
Good weed to you also
Howdy Invi Good Weed to you!
LOL you live in Washington and are having beautiful weather we have had rain for 16 days in a row now smh
at 4 weeks would be fine for me to do DLS. or when the stretch has pretty much finished! Good Weed to you Hiker
So half hour a week? And how long since you flipped? I've been trying to figure out what DLS I want to use this round. I'm at 4 weeks now, so wasn't planning to start reducing light for another week or two.
Yes. Inches is fine with any type of fluorescent. The hand test is a good guideline. In veg, they can practically touch the light without damage, but you want a gap between the flowers. Those little pistils are tender!
I am Honored to have you announce your new grow here Dharma and the link to Jaga's too!FishCake,
If it's alright with you, it would be an honor if I could announce the official start of my own grow journal in yours? My grow tent got delivered about an hour ago, so I already got pics up and my dog Gracy, furthermore DharmaDog. Link to it is in my signature. It will be slow in the beginning as equipment arrives, but it won't lack for pics lol!
Jeff
Good weed to you also
Good Weed Jaga
Howdy Invi
Good Weed to you!
Good weed Fishy an deveryone!
Hope you ppl all are having a nice time!
That's 5 sq feet right? Think you should have about 3-4 times the lumens to get dense buds.
To You Spimp and a fine smoke to you too!Good weed Fish Cake. Hope all i well in the pond.
Good morning Bee
LOL you live in Washington and are having beautiful weather we have had rain for 16 days in a row now smh