Does any one us gaia green products!

Thank you to every one for answering my questions. Hopfully I'm not hi jacking this thread too much. Let me know if I am. I feel ike such a noob for asking this, but , how do you tell if your plants are hungry ? I can totally tell when they need water but thats about it.
Leaf coloring is a good place to start. A lack of nitrogen seems to be the earliest ask and with that your leaves will start looking less green, a lighter shade, getting more yellowish as the condition worsens.

With calcium it's usually small little marks on the leaves that turn to a rust color as the dead tissue dries out.

But, with a fertilizer designed for canna, those shouldn't be much of an issue if you follow the manufacturer's instructions for both frequency and amount.
 
So there is a yellow spot on a couple od the plants. Would that be a calcium deficiency or ?
Should I use the pro cal in the pic ? I have never used it before. The pH is in-between 7.1 & 8 in the plants in that tent. It seems high after watering after a few days and then comes back down. The rain water I use is always 6 pH. In my other tent the pH is just under 4 but there is less water in those 5 gal pots with 4 week old plants.

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Thanks Azimuth. So the instructions say 1.25ml per Liter for a " soilless container garden " . I'm not sure what that is...lol
But thats the amount I would imagine I should be using?

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Soilless is stuff like coco or hydro. You're in organic soil so I'm not sure how to adjust for that. I make my own calcium water with dolomite lime and for that I mix to a certain ppm.

Maybe try it at the recommended rate for soulless and see how the plant reacts?
 
Good catch guys. I kinda had my head in the sand on that one. I was really hoping that was not the case, but I think you guys are right. I had pm on my last grow, which was my first grow. It was in my other tent though. I cleaned and disinfected everything b4 starting this grow. I took some better pics for you guys too see. The last pic won't show much pm because I wipe it off. So what now ? I don't see any on the other plants...right now. What do you suggest for a spray? I used a product called " white wash " last time but I don't think it's really a anti fungal. I'm in Canada if that makes a difference on what I can purchase for a spray.

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@InTheShed offers the following for treating pm:

After many weeks of testing, I'm here to offer my endorsement of 0.3% canola oil spray for powdery mildew (PM). And to break it all down for you, here is the Thursday update (after you've congratulated @Grand Daddy Black for his triple OTM win last night...I'll wait!).

Text, then pictorial:

As I mentioned back in March, I discovered a South Korean study from 2008 and seems well-researched and documented, and on the plus side, it's written in mostly non-technical language, dealing in percentages and ml rather than molecular weights and such:
https://circadiancropsciences.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/PM-and-DM-Control-Cooking-Oil.pdf

My post on it is here in case you missed it. Might be worth your time if you get PM.

[BACKGROUND: Normally I use neem oil in veg for PM, but that leaves me searching for another solution in flower. I had tried milk and H2O2 (neither of which were effective for me), citric acid (which worked but did some leaf and pistil damage), and potassium bicarbonate (which I found created more damage and seemed less effective than citric acid). Also, neem isn't even available for plants in Canada or the UK, which makes canola oil a viable alternative during all stages of growth for those members of the Commonwealth. :ciao: ]

The testing process I used started by letting PM grow on a couple of my Candida plants to use as test subjects. Once I had enough of the plants covered in PM I sprayed the mother with the canola oil mix and let the other one go. I kept them mostly in the shade during this time to prevent the heat or sun from affecting the PM growth, and I sprayed every 5 days as listed in the study.

Because I had let the leaves get so covered with PM I ended up having to spray every 3 days (to runoff) until it was gone, but it definitely worked. And after it was gone, every 5 days seemed to keep it away.

Once I was satisfied with that I needed to wait for some pistils to try it out on to see what it would do there.

Here is the flower I chose to spray with the 0.3% canola oil mix:

I sprayed it and made sure it was shaded until it dried.

Here is the same flower 72 hours later


Now, you are correct if you see some browning of the ends of the pistils, but here is a nearby flower that didn't get sprayed:


And an unsprayed top flower:


So you can see that the pistils are starting to brown across the plant rather than specifically from the canola oil. I will spray it again this weekend to see if every 5 days accelerates the browning effect. But either way, a little browning of the pistils seems like a reasonable trade-off for the treatment of PM on your flowering plants.

Also, spraying almost anything on the flowers will tend to brown the pistils somewhat, so if you have to spray, spray something that works!

All that said, here is how I went about making my 0.3% canola oil spray. Keep in mind that the beauty of the metric system is that it's easily scaleable.

500ml of distilled water:


I don't trust any single set of measuring lines so I made sure that the 500ml mark on the spray bottle was the same as the .5L line on the blender:


After that I needed the canola oil:


But really hardly any, so a small syringe is needed to get 1.5ml:


Here is the canola oil in water:


Oil and water don't stay mixed for long, even with a blender, so I used Dr Bronner's unscented castile soap as an emulsifier:


It took only 2 drops using this pipette I had on hand, though you could also use the same syringe from the oil:


After running the blender for a minute, here is the result:



I poured it into the spray bottle and sprayed down the plant in the shade.


Even though it's blended and emulsified, I still do a lot of shaking of the bottle to make sure before and in between sprays.

I'm now making 1L batches since that's as much as my blender will hold (3ml oil, 4 drops Dr B's), and if I end up with a lot of PM this fall I'll be doing four 1L batches to fill my gallon sprayer.

That's it from me, and I hope this helps someone out with their PM problem! :Namaste:
 
Thanks for the link. That was a interesting read. I just went out and bought this on my lunch time. Should be interesting to see how well this works.

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Thanks for the link. That was a interesting read. I just went out and bought this on my lunch time. Should be interesting to see how well this works.

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This is a copper-based fungicide, you do NOT want to use this when the plant is flowering. Copper leaves residue that's not easy to get rid of. It's safe for vegetables because we can wash it and we consume it, smoking is different.

Order Potassium Bicarbonate, mix 3/4 teaspoon with 1 liter of water, add a drop of dawn or castille soap if you want, it helps the solution lather the plant, and spray your plants, all of them. Let them dry completely with a fan blowing on them before turning the lights back on.

Potassium Bicarbonate is really easy to wash off, you can mist your plants with just water until run-off or dunk them in a pail of water before hanging them to dry. Or you can do nothing at all and harvest like normal, it's not poisonous but can leave a bitter taste when smoked.
 
Thanks for chiming in and saving me some grief 😔. I was wondering about the copper thing. The lady at the garden store said it should be ok because she read the flower thing on the instructions.
Thanks again.
 
Thanks for chiming in and saving me some grief 😔. I was wondering about the copper thing. The lady at the garden store said it should be ok because she read the flower thing on the instructions.
Thanks again.

No worries. If you cannot get ahold of potassium bicarbonate, I suggest using hydrogen peroxide for now. Peroxide will kill the surface spores but it doesn't have a lasting effect like potassium bicarbonate. Avoid spraying the flowers. You can also follow InTheShed's method, I've never personally tried it though so I can't speak to the efficacy, but he's a well known and well respected member, i would trust his knowledge.

You want to spray before you start removing infected leaves, this will deactivate the spores so they don't fly around.

You need to be very pro-active if you want to save your crop. Your tent and grow area is infected with spores now, it's going to keep creeping back because there's no systemic cure that's safe for us to still smoke afterwards so it's a constant battle.

Ive mentioned this on here before, but in my experience, once your space has been infected with PM, the only way to get rid of it is complete sanitation of the grow area and lung room with a UVC lamp. PM is very evil.
 
once your space has been infected with PM, the only way to get rid of it is complete sanitation of the grow area and lung room with a UVC lamp.
How well do those things work? I've been seeing the dual light tube version being advertised and wondered if they were worth it.
 
How well do those things work? I've been seeing the dual light tube version being advertised and wondered if they were worth it.

I have a 25w UVC lamp I bought from Amazon a few years ago, it works very well, you just need to keep in mind the limitations of a 25w lamp. It will easily sanitize a grow tent, but say for a 10x10 room, you'd have to run about 2-4 sessions for complete coverage.

Before i sanitized my whole room, Ive treated my plants with it with great success too. I couldnt find much online, but in a 4x4x6.5 space, i ran it for 30 mins over my plants (hung roughly 12" away) the first time, and subsequently 15 min once a week until harvest and it completely halted any new infections from popping up without the plants showing me any negative side effects. Full disclosure, i also used potassium bicarbonate, but potassium bicarbonate alone didnt stop it from re-ocurring before.

It's been a very valuable tool to have for me, well worth the money in my opinion.
 
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