Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

Mag7 said:
Ok, 36" should be sufficient from what everyone talked about but tripleBeam would know better than me. What % are they set at? Tent or room? What temps, also, sometimes it is as simple as overwatering. Overwatering is the initial issue and everything follows after, fix the the issue and everything else falls in line
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Your issue is not light stress. Seen that before in my current grow. 36" is plenty high for cobs. Keep a minimum of 24" above the canopy in veg. I'm learning in flower that I can get away with them being closer than 24". If you have the ability to dim the cobs, turn them down to 50% in veg. I finally turned my cobs up to 100% from 80% at week Three of flower. If your using promix hp, the hp stands for high porosity. So it drains well. It won't hurt to add more drain holes to the pots to ensure they drain properly when watering. Like Mag7 said it, the roots are unhappy. I have noticed that once stress happens the leaves don't change much. You have to watch the new growth to see if you fixed the problem. The lower leaves on the left plant could be yellowing due to the plant digesting them to create new roots or new leaves because of soil conditions. Probably not soil activity issue due to being so early in the grow but it could be the soil temps are too low or the temperature of the water your using is too cold. Soil and water temps need to be in the upper 70s as well. I store my water in my tent to ensure proper temps. What type of water are you using?

What I would do is check bottom soil temps. Ensure water temps are good. Add an extra day or two before watering again to ensure drought conditions. Do a de-stress foliar spray per instructions. Don't add anything to water when watering until 5 leaves AND at least five nodes. Watch the new growth to see if conditions improve. Environment first! I'm sure the more experienced growers will chime in soon.
 
Seaweed Farmz said:
When is the proper time to use the snake oil?
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Piggy back it with Brix right around Cat Time, or if you know the strain is going have a mid-bloom fade.
 
I want to thank all who took the time to chime in. TripleBeam you may be onto something with my water temps. I use RO water stored in the grow room which is generally between 68-74 degrees. Maybe could add a clone heat mat to get the water a little warmer. I am sure it isn't light stress due to the distance. I don't want to turn the COBs down in the veg tent because I need the heat. Only 4 Vero 29s running 100 watts each. In the bloom tent I have 24 CXB3590s at about 50 watts each running 80%-100% power 12" from the tops.

Environment is nearly perfect, veg runs about 77-79 during lights on, bloom 78-80 lights on both with mid 50% humidity and lights off tent temps are 67-72 with humidity a touch high creeping into the 60's but I have two fans in the bloom room keeping the air moving.
 
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Hello y'all. Just smoked my first HB buds and wanted to share my testimony.

This is from a mystery strain I got in a CKS auto mix pack that never auto'd lol. Best guess is a Sour Jack but she seems indica dom and finishes in 50-55 days so I don't know... Anyway, grew her out twice in the old Fox Farm and was some great smoke... Until I tried the HB version!.. I do the teen mom clone method like doc so its the same plant, but you wouldn't tell by comparing the two. The look, structure, and yield are similar, just a double layer of frost on the HB version with longer fatter trichs (rosin yields up to 18% from 12%), but the smell and flavor do not even compare. I could taste the lemon fuel with the non-HB, but the HB version tastes and smells about 25x stronger... Its so "loud" when I open the jar I can feel the odor in my eyes and! It tastes like sour lemon candy on the inhale and pungent fuelly diesel on the exhale that lingers on the tongue for awhile. Absolutely crazy!!! The ash is so white and fluffy too. I really didn't know what y'all meant about the ash till I see it for myself now... The way it hits my lungs really does feel cleaner. The high hits instant, I can feel my eyes redenning and glossing over as I exhale. But no cough, the smoke is smooth as eggs!!! Oh yea and this has only been curing for a week lol. I can only imagine what it'll be like on Halloween! I'm so happy I havent had to PH or check EC or whatever they wanted me to do on the chemicals... The system is truly simpler than I could have ever expected and simply following the directions and asking a few questions along the way got me some stellar results, right there with the best buds I've ever smoked! So thanks Doc for bringing this to us. And at such a reasonable price too! It blows my mind how much better this is and how much more cost effective it is to get a better end product. I feel like you guys are going to pop out any minute and tell me it was all a joke!!.. Damn, this here has me high AF... Anyway, much love to ya Doc.. And a lot of the crew I've been lurking on and learning from... Ziggs, Shiggs, Duggs, Canna n Nis, Sweet Sue, Born, Ween, Yeti, Buck, Beavis, and others too I just cant remember right now but no less positively impactful on my journey! I'm gonna go rip some more of this now!
 
Yeah the ash on HB produce should be like a driven snow, it should fall apart under touch.
 
I need to work on my ash color. It is gray more so than white. If I smoke a bowl it is pretty nasty. I am not sure if it has to do with how I break it up, or if it is because it is a real tight pack or if I just need to work on my drying and curing technique. It is the area I need to work on improving. I am open to suggestions. I usually hang dry for 4-5 days or until everything is crispy. I try to wait for stem snap but it is some times just before that due to needing to get it done before it is too dry. I then trim and jar with burping the jar a couple of times a day or once for a fairly long period. I will take out of the jars if too moist but this is by feel with no hygrometers. Some strains are better than other. I try and always finish on a GE drench. I may ry giving water last next time.
 
I probably don't have enough experience to be trying my hand at this...

But to me it seems the dry and cure wouldn't matter so much..... Thinking the washing would be most important for good clean ash...
Of course what you grow them in and what you feed, especially toward the end, would be factors as well. Whats everyone else think?
Also... if you use a grinder, if its dirty that may cause it as well...
 
TheGreenYeti said:
I need to work on my ash color. It is gray more so than white. If I smoke a bowl it is pretty nasty. I am not sure if it has to do with how I break it up, or if it is because it is a real tight pack or if I just need to work on my drying and curing technique. It is the area I need to work on improving. I am open to suggestions. I usually hang dry for 4-5 days or until everything is crispy. I try to wait for stem snap but it is some times just before that due to needing to get it done before it is too dry. I then trim and jar with burping the jar a couple of times a day or once for a fairly long period. I will take out of the jars if too moist but this is by feel with no hygrometers. Some strains are better than other. I try and always finish on a GE drench. I may ry giving water last next time.
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that's all good Yeti...i do the same....but try not to open the jars as much ok! Were after a cure....this only happens when the buds start to ferment ..ever so slightly.
 
TheGreenYeti said:
I need to work on my ash color. It is gray more so than white. If I smoke a bowl it is pretty nasty. I am not sure if it has to do with how I break it up, or if it is because it is a real tight pack or if I just need to work on my drying and curing technique. It is the area I need to work on improving. I am open to suggestions. I usually hang dry for 4-5 days or until everything is crispy. I try to wait for stem snap but it is some times just before that due to needing to get it done before it is too dry. I then trim and jar with burping the jar a couple of times a day or once for a fairly long period. I will take out of the jars if too moist but this is by feel with no hygrometers. Some strains are better than other. I try and always finish on a GE drench. I may ry giving water last next time.
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What are your temps and RH in the drying room? Buth ash colour is really fertilisation-dependent. It's pretty simple actually, white ash is mostly calcium, which means no heavy compounds were a building block or at least not too much to notice. If you have grey leftovers and they are mostly soluble you're gonna have a lot of other stuff. Maybe more watering between the drenches would help? Maybe different finish?
 
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Redloh said:
Hello y'all. Just smoked my first HB buds and wanted to share my testimony.

This is from a mystery strain I got in a CKS auto mix pack that never auto'd lol. Best guess is a Sour Jack but she seems indica dom and finishes in 50-55 days so I don't know... Anyway, grew her out twice in the old Fox Farm and was some great smoke... Until I tried the HB version!.. I do the teen mom clone method like doc so its the same plant, but you wouldn't tell by comparing the two. The look, structure, and yield are similar, just a double layer of frost on the HB version with longer fatter trichs (rosin yields up to 18% from 12%), but the smell and flavor do not even compare. I could taste the lemon fuel with the non-HB, but the HB version tastes and smells about 25x stronger... Its so "loud" when I open the jar I can feel the odor in my eyes and! It tastes like sour lemon candy on the inhale and pungent fuelly diesel on the exhale that lingers on the tongue for awhile. Absolutely crazy!!! The ash is so white and fluffy too. I really didn't know what y'all meant about the ash till I see it for myself now... The way it hits my lungs really does feel cleaner. The high hits instant, I can feel my eyes redenning and glossing over as I exhale. But no cough, the smoke is smooth as eggs!!! Oh yea and this has only been curing for a week lol. I can only imagine what it'll be like on Halloween! I'm so happy I havent had to PH or check EC or whatever they wanted me to do on the chemicals... The system is truly simpler than I could have ever expected and simply following the directions and asking a few questions along the way got me some stellar results, right there with the best buds I've ever smoked! So thanks Doc for bringing this to us. And at such a reasonable price too! It blows my mind how much better this is and how much more cost effective it is to get a better end product. I feel like you guys are going to pop out any minute and tell me it was all a joke!!.. Damn, this here has me high AF... Anyway, much love to ya Doc.. And a lot of the crew I've been lurking on and learning from... Ziggs, Shiggs, Duggs, Canna n Nis, Sweet Sue, Born, Ween, Yeti, Buck, Beavis, and others too I just cant remember right now but no less positively impactful on my journey! I'm gonna go rip some more of this now!
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Thank you so much! This is what keeps me on the path. Believe it or not, it's going to get even better. What do friends and family say?
 
TheGreenYeti said:
I need to work on my ash color. It is gray more so than white. If I smoke a bowl it is pretty nasty. I am not sure if it has to do with how I break it up, or if it is because it is a real tight pack or if I just need to work on my drying and curing technique. It is the area I need to work on improving. I am open to suggestions. I usually hang dry for 4-5 days or until everything is crispy. I try to wait for stem snap but it is some times just before that due to needing to get it done before it is too dry. I then trim and jar with burping the jar a couple of times a day or once for a fairly long period. I will take out of the jars if too moist but this is by feel with no hygrometers. Some strains are better than other. I try and always finish on a GE drench. I may ry giving water last next time.
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Keep your drying room at about 55 to 60rH. Other than that you're doing things right. I always finish on GE.
 
Doc Bud said:
Keep your drying room at about 55 to 60rH. Other than that you're doing things right. I always finish on GE.
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Once the plants receive the GE how long usually til chop? A day or two?
 
dajerm119 said:
I probably don't have enough experience to be trying my hand at this...

But to me it seems the dry and cure wouldn't matter so much..... Thinking the washing would be most important for good clean ash...
Of course what you grow them in and what you feed, especially toward the end, would be factors as well. Whats everyone else think?
Also... if you use a grinder, if its dirty that may cause it as well...
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I do not grind my weed I just break it up by hand and leave it sort of chunky. I was almost wondering if grinding it will have a different effect :hmmmm: I will have to try it and figure it out.
Duggan said:
that's all good Yeti...i do the same....but try not to open the jars as much ok! Were after a cure....this only happens when the buds start to ferment ..ever so slightly.
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After a week or so they rarely get opened aside from just checking them here and there to make sure they are still good. I will let them sit unopened for a couple of days at a time so long as they seem mostly stable.
conradino23 said:
What are your temps and RH in the drying room? Buth ash colour is really fertilisation-dependent. It's pretty simple actually, white ash is mostly calcium, which means no heavy compounds were a building block or at least not too much to notice. If you have grey leftovers and they are mostly soluble you're gonna have a lot of other stuff. Maybe more watering between the drenches would help? Maybe different finish?
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Doc Bud said:
Keep your drying room at about 55 to 60rH. Other than that you're doing things right. I always finish on GE.
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I hang dry in the same area of my basement as where my tents are. I have no where else to do it. I have to run a dehumidifier at around 45% RH in order to keep my tents around 50-60% humidity. I will have to check to see what the RH reads in the area outside of the tents. I may also try drying until branches snap no matter what. I have just been trying to not over dry it is all.

Thank you all for your suggestions I will see what I can do to make adjustments to get things right :thanks:
 
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Doc Bud said:
Thank you so much! This is what keeps me on the path. Believe it or not, it's going to get even better. What do friends and family say?
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No one else has tried it yet. I was adament about waiting a month for a good cure to try it but I opened the jar yesterday and the smell was so inviting, I couldnt resist! Smashed a lil for a few dabs (wow!) and took a few bong rips... Now I have 6 zips of this old bud that has to get donated as its of no use to me anymore, lmao!!! I have 5 more HB plants coming down next week so the word will be out real soon around here and ill let ya know what kind of feedback I get. I suspect you already know what I'm going to hear though !

Just have a camera phone still so pics are not the best and dont really do the plants or soil justice, but heres the Sour Jack I tried last night.
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Here she is about to be jarred
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Heres a Grand Double Purple no flash from IHG on the home stretch (so excited for this one)
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With flash you can't see the purple
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I have a bog lifesaver that's on day 26 post flip, but no pics yet. I've been focused on the purple!
I also have a HSO LCOG and a Dr. Kripplings Mong-U-mental in Veg and just popped some Black Nitros from IHG and some OLD Skunks from Dynasty! I'll start up a journal soon and drop a link.

I'm about to be 33 and the last 4-5 years I was just wandering around aimlessly and had found little satisfaction in much of anything. This hobby/calling has really given me a new zest for life and I feel the excitement and interest in something that I haven't really felt in years. My energy and overall attitude are much more positive, and I just feel good. You guys rock!
 
Coloradokid19 said:
Once the plants receive the GE how long usually til chop? A day or two?
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it all depends....

I look at harvest time as a window. The window first opens when no new pistils form and calyxes are swollen. It remains open until the plant really slows down drinking water or when new, leafy growth appears in the buds. It's a matter of personal choice on when to harvest, but the convenience factor plays a big role for me. If I'm in the window and I have room on the drying wire, I'll harvest. If I have no room, I'll wait till I do, etc.

So, if you think you're going to harvest in a week and the plants still need water every 2 days, give GE for their last watering in the normal cycle of things.
 
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