Not yet, i've looked at them but havent pulled the trigger yet.
DobeWan's First Grow! LA Confidential & 24K Gold - LED - 3x3 - Coco
Not yet, i've looked at them but havent pulled the trigger yet.
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DobeWan
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I'd prefer to keep the Potassium Silicate in the mix - I've fed it for a long time without issues and expect it can only help the rest of the way, with density / weight.
I stopped Micro a few weeks ago.
Bloom has to stay in the mix until I flush.
I stopped KoolBloom a week ago and only fed it temporarily.
I'll take CalMag back out of the mix to be safe.
And I'll stop H2O2 to be safe.
That'll leave me at 0.5ml / litre (about 2 ml/gallon) Potassium Silicate, and 9ml / gallon Bloom. Potassium Silicate is 0-0-3 ratio, and Bloom is 0-5-4. Should I consider adding N at this point? I figured no, but my yellowing is above and beyond what I expected from cutting the N.
They require Nitrogen in flower, just at a slighty lower rate.
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DobeWan
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Didn't see your recommendations until I posted that response to OTM, PW. Thanks. Avoid N other than what I get in the Silica then? And stick with the CalMag even though I just started it? I was thinking I could just keep it in the veg tent for now.
I feed calmag with every rez change
Old TimingMan
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I don't know if this will help you or confuse you, this is the nute's I add with the compounds on the label and milliliters per gallon for weeks 6 on up on both the RDWC & Coco.
CalMagic 3 ml 1% Nitrogen, 5% Calcium, 0.1% Iron, 1.5% Magnesium
Bloom A 9 ml 3% Nitrogen, 3.8% Calcium, 0.1% Iron
Bloom B 9 ml 6% Phosphate, 4% Potash, 1.2% Magnesium, 1% Sulphur
Bloom Optimizer 4 ml 1% Nirtogen, 2% Phosphate, 5% Potash
Vital Boost (Organic Kelp) 4 ml 0.1% Nitrogen, 0.2% Phosphate, 0.4% Potash
Root Assist Microbial Tea 1 oz Earthworm casings Raw Sugar Cane, Beneficial bacteria spores.
Flying Skull's Z7 2 Part Enzymes 0.5 ml
This mixture will have 780 -800 PPM's in RO water PH'd to 6.0
Maybe you can add up the compounds and figure out if you are lacking or over on the basic compounds.
CalMagic 3 ml 1% Nitrogen, 5% Calcium, 0.1% Iron, 1.5% Magnesium
Bloom A 9 ml 3% Nitrogen, 3.8% Calcium, 0.1% Iron
Bloom B 9 ml 6% Phosphate, 4% Potash, 1.2% Magnesium, 1% Sulphur
Bloom Optimizer 4 ml 1% Nirtogen, 2% Phosphate, 5% Potash
Vital Boost (Organic Kelp) 4 ml 0.1% Nitrogen, 0.2% Phosphate, 0.4% Potash
Root Assist Microbial Tea 1 oz Earthworm casings Raw Sugar Cane, Beneficial bacteria spores.
Flying Skull's Z7 2 Part Enzymes 0.5 ml
This mixture will have 780 -800 PPM's in RO water PH'd to 6.0
Maybe you can add up the compounds and figure out if you are lacking or over on the basic compounds.
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DobeWan
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Thanks for helping get me sorted out with a plan guys. Hopefully tonight the damage slows and I can get it stopped before I leave, because I'm pretty excited to have a weekend away.
Fingers crossed
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DobeWan
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I don't know if this will help you or confuse you, this is the nute's I add with the compounds on the label and milliliters per gallon for weeks 6 on up on both the RDWC & Coco.
CalMagic 3 ml 1% Nitrogen, 5% Calcium, 0.1% Iron, 1.5% Magnesium
Bloom A 9 ml 3% Nitrogen, 3.8% Calcium, 0.1% Iron
Bloom B 9 ml 6% Phosphate, 4% Potash, 1.2% Magnesium, 1% Sulphur
Bloom Optimizer 4 ml 1% Nirtogen, 2% Phosphate, 5% Potash
Vital Boost (Organic Kelp) 4 ml 0.1% Nitrogen, 0.2% Phosphate, 0.4% Potash
Root Assist Microbial Tea 1 oz Earthworm casings Raw Sugar Cane, Beneficial bacteria spores.
Flying Skull's Z7 2 Part Enzymes 0.5 ml
This mixture will have 780 -800 PPM's in RO water PH'd to 6.0
Maybe you can add up the compounds and figure out if you are lacking or over on the basic compounds.
I never got above 500! And my current mix was in the 300 range, and I was still having to step it down. I was around 250 for most of the life of these plants. Contrast that with my veg girls - I'm at 450ish PPM on a 3 on 1 off schedule for the past 5 weeks, without any sign of N toxicity ever, really. I've never changed the amount or stepped it down, which was an every day thing in round 1. The round 2 veg girls reliably got stable water, pHed correctly, and never had an instance where they got water that was freshly poured. And they have taken twice the nutes of their predecessors. One of them is a clone and is taking twice the nutes of its parent. Go figure. Growth has been perfect all around - 3 different strains, 2 indicas and a sativa, a clone and 2 seedlings. You guys know way more than me and I'm prone to jumping to conclusions, but it just seems to fit that I introduced pH issues in early veg in round 1, and avoided them in round 2, and saw vastly different results in the same genetics in their ability to take in nutes.
Different phenos can have different needs
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DobeWan
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I should count my blessings for having the same 24K pheno - both of those ladies have responded exactly the same since early veg, their only difference being #2 is more robust.
I love seeing the differences in them
Canada Guy
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I hope whatever is going on with your plants gets better! I wish I could offer advice but I really can't. Looking at all those numbers and ppms and stuff is making my head spin! Remember Nutes are extras, you need good clean ph'd water, and good lighting. Don't be upset if things go sideways, it's an opportunity to learn! You already have me beat for a first grow, and you still have a bit to go.
Old TimingMan
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I probably am not as fussy with looking at leaves for problems, sure I seen some over the grow that looked funky, but if a couple leaves out of 50 look weird, no big deal, could be user error, genetic quirk, or just a suicidal leaf issue.
I concentrated on new growth and let the old stuff do what it does...some of what you are seeing may be a genetic trait of the plant at this stage, it knows the end is near and its using up stored goodies and not using the root system like it did when it was younger...kind of like we do!
I also don't pay to much attention to run-off, only when I see a issue that progresses over a few days, I will check, and I do think that giving them a plain PH'd watering once a week to run-off at the end of veg and once a week in flower helps keep the build-up/lock-out from happening, you are basically only flushing some of the compounds out and when the plant realizes its not being fed like normal, it wakes up the lazy roots.
My clones in the bubbler are already at 360 PPM in 6.0 PH and will slowly step up to the range that the moms are at now...about 50 PPM per week...slow and steady.
If I were you I would invest in a RO system, just a cheap 3 stage like I have, and look into a good scheduled nute line for dummy's like me that has a clear easy to follow schedule, if you can get Z7 up there, that would be a plus and the tea is a pain in the ass but seems to help also.
Coco Coir is a neutral medium, its like hydroton in DWC, only stringy, and is only there to support the plant, so besides a good environment, a steady increasing diet of what they need is all we have to provide.
Hope you can narrow it down some
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DobeWan
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I still have 24K seeds - I expect I'll go phenotype hunting in time since I'm really liking the direction this one is going.
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DobeWan
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I took a look this morning before lights out, and while it does look like things may have progressed a little, it doesn't look like they progressed nearly as quickly as in the previous 12-24, so I'm hoping tonight the damage won't be shocking like it was last night. I'll be going with Silica, CalMag and Bloom tonight. Veg tent is looking great, my LA clone and Kushy Kush are both ready whenever room opens up in the flower tent.
I had to remove the broken branch on 24K. The top was not adding to itself and was dying a slow death, losing more and more colour by the day, as it was clear there was very little hanging on at the break point and no new veg growth was generating to fix it. So I ripped the flower up with my fingers, for science! It was smelly to the point of almost being sickly with the orange smell - it smelled so strong it was like I'd spilled a cleaning solution over my hands. The bud was wetter than I realized it'd be, and heavy as well, and super dense as I got toward its center. I know they'll lose a ton of weight during drying but it was still notable as a newb. Regular soap didn't even make a dent in how sticky my fingers were after - I ended up using coconut oil to get the stickiness off.
I had to remove the broken branch on 24K. The top was not adding to itself and was dying a slow death, losing more and more colour by the day, as it was clear there was very little hanging on at the break point and no new veg growth was generating to fix it. So I ripped the flower up with my fingers, for science! It was smelly to the point of almost being sickly with the orange smell - it smelled so strong it was like I'd spilled a cleaning solution over my hands. The bud was wetter than I realized it'd be, and heavy as well, and super dense as I got toward its center. I know they'll lose a ton of weight during drying but it was still notable as a newb. Regular soap didn't even make a dent in how sticky my fingers were after - I ended up using coconut oil to get the stickiness off.
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I love different phenotypes of good strains, and figured all along I wanted each phenotype of these, but I'm not in a big rush. I got both with LA Confidential but only 1/3 with 24K Gold. I figure the 24K phenotypes have big variety since Tangie and Kosher Kush are so different. I'm hoping the one I got is about a 50/50. The orange smell guarantees I got some Tangie in there!
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Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words. In the big picture I could have had way more struggles in my first grow, and I should be happy if these ladies make the finish line at all. But seeing the beautiful plants growing up and coming down in other journals has a way of affecting expectations, even if it's unrealistic to compare to some of you guys!
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DobeWan
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I probably am not as fussy with looking at leaves for problems, sure I seen some over the grow that looked funky, but if a couple leaves out of 50 look weird, no big deal, could be user error, genetic quirk, or just a suicidal leaf issue.
I concentrated on new growth and let the old stuff do what it does...some of what you are seeing may be a genetic trait of the plant at this stage, it knows the end is near and its using up stored goodies and not using the root system like it did when it was younger...kind of like we do!
I managed to relax on leaf issues for quite some time, but the onset of the K deficiency changed that! Especially considering that I took too many leaves at defoliation and LA2, the worst damaged plant, is also the one with the least leaves to lose. If I had 50 on LA2 I wouldn't mind, but I have a handful of big old fans, so seeing them die one by one is nerve racking!
I was partway through when I started doing 2 on 1 off or 3 on 1 off. That seems to work well. I check my pH of everything before it goes into the pots but don't usually bother to check runoff. Again, only did now to troubleshoot, and I was unsurprised by what I found.
Yeah and my veg tent is a testament to how my flower tent should be able to intake! Everything looking beautiful and damage free, and sucking up close to 500ppm without breaking a sweat - in fact, the growth has seemingly gotten better and better as the grow went on!
I'm tempted to try something other than the "modified Lucas formula" but given that veg has been loving it, and that I tweaked it throughout round 1 by adding on top, I'll probably stick with it through round 2. Lady A posted a good thread analyzing feeding schedules a while back, and the analysis of this schedule was fine - the GH recommended schedule didn't seem to offer any real improvement.
But an inexpensive RO system is a definite. I'd get it this weekend if I had time. I have about 100L in buckets on my basement floor which should get through the weekend's feeding without pH swings. Then next week I'll spend a day getting and setting up the RO system.
Thanks for your ideas and warm wishes. Whatever the outcome, I'm learning!
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DobeWan
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Just opened the tent for a minute a half hour before lights on - I had to see where things stood. Happy to say the early indication this morning held up - there was a progression of the P deficiency symptoms but it slowed significantly from a day before. Both LAs look unhappy, LA1 more so than expected. But LA2 was better than expected. I think I may have stopped the bleeding!
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