Discolored and deformed leaves. On clones Super silver haze,

[grimlyman]

Hi can anyone shed any light on the state of these clones.
The Super silver haze are affected more than the Super Skunk
They are potted in a premium potting mix but with so many extreme elements at the beginning of the season it was hard to get them established, lots of rain, and low temps temperatures. The small Super Skunk clone has spots on it like goosebumps bumps.
They are growing well now but I can't help think they should be a lot healthier.
How often can you apply epsom salt.

 

[Phytoplankton]

The plants look fine. Low temps and poor weather will slow the growth. They'll rebound when the weather gets warmer. The bumps of the leaves are trichs starting to form, no worries.

 

[SmokingWings]

All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.

They are potted in a premium potting mix but with so many extreme elements at the beginning of the season it was hard to get them established, lots of rain, and low temps temperatures.

It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?

They are growing well now but I can't help think they should be a lot healthier.

If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.

How often can you apply epsom salt.

Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.

 

[grimlyman]

Thanks for your reply Phytoplankton. Last season was a disaster and I don't want a repeat of that.
I thought that the soil may have been a bit strong for them, or they had to much rain.
Thanks again

All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.

 

[grimlyman]

Hi

All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.

Hi Smo

All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complicat

Hi S

All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.

SmokingWings, thanks for th oughts, I feel you are correct on the issues that the clones have had to endure to get to this stage.
My location is on the West coast of the south island New Zealand. 4 weeks into summer.
The some clones did indeed go to flower or pre flower stage shortly after they began rooting, some more than others, The weather from the end of November until now had been very wet and dreary, so much so that I removed them from the ground and potted them.
Last season Magnesium deficiency became a major problem, as i initially misdiagnosed it as overfeeding.
I have just done a foliage and soil application of a plant tonic containing Organic sugar chelate plus iron and trace elements.
I will continue to grow them in pots most of the pots are 20lt or 4.5gal.
I have a few in 40lt but because the soil in the pots very seldom dries out due to our rain forest climate, 20lt seems a good size givsn our conditions.
The soil ph was a little low so i applied a small amount of lime.
Yes i think a calmag supplement is needed and I will attend to that tomorrow and reassess the situation about the second week of January.
Thanks again

 

[cbdhemp808]

These are definitely not normal and have been under some kind of stress. My first guess was a virus. Possibly HLVd, the Hop Latent Viroid.

 

[grimlyman]

Hi CBD, yeah they are definitely not normal and they did go through a lot of stress to get to where they are now.
They are growing well at the moment after coming back from wanting to flower over the last month.
Each new set of leaves are starting to appear more normal.
I am thinking that the it could be a excessive nutrients thing and the soil i put the clones into was too hot for the fresh clones.

 

[grimlyman]

These are definitely not normal and have been under some kind of stress. My first guess was a virus. Possibly HLVd, the Hop Latent Viroid.

Kiaora CBD ,I was giving more thought to your thoughts that it could be a virus due to the fact that all the clones are showing the same problem, even though they have different soil types and different feeding requirements.
so after much research I think I have the culprit

Cannabis Cryptic Virus​

You know, when [Cannabis Cryptic Virus] is there with Hop Latent Virus or Lettuce Chlorosis Virus, it may slightly alter the ways those are working – but it’s pretty anecdotal. So, admittedly, Cannabis Cryptic Virus is kind of the ‘Red Headed Step Child’…”.​

Meaning that CCV is most commonly detected in the presence of another virus, and can add or alter viral symptoms in that sense.​

​

 

[grimlyman]

These are definitely not normal and have been under some kind of stress. My first guess was a virus. Possibly HLVd, the Hop Latent Viroid.

Good guess you were spot on

 

[Sativa1970]

Do the leaves smell like decay? Tell tail sign of HLDV.

You are going through reveg so there will be a lot of strange growth. The last picture, first post, you can see the trichomes covering a large sugar leaf. Small 3 finger bud leaves trying to grow out into full sized veg leaves. Leaves will curle, twist, wrinkle and stretch into mutated freaks until true leaves sprout.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Kiaora CBD ,I was giving more thought to your thoughts that it could be a virus due to the fact that all the clones are showing the same problem, even though they have different soil types and different feeding requirements.
so after much research I think I have the culprit

Cannabis Cryptic Virus​

Yours don't have the splotches or streaks of yellow (aka chlorosis) as is typical with a mosaic virus or co-infection with CCV. I don't know, but it could be HLVd, which doesn't necessarily show chlorosis.

It's your call, but I would remove and destroy the potentially infected plants. HLVd can be spread by insects such as leaf hoppers.

 

[grimlyman]

Do the leaves smell like decay? Tell tail sign of HLDV.

You are going through reveg so there will be a lot of strange growth. The last picture, first post, you can see the trichomes covering a large sugar leaf. Small 3 finger bud leaves trying to grow out into full sized veg leaves. Leaves will curle, twist, wrinkle and stretch into mutated freaks until true leaves sprout.

Do the leaves smell like decay? Tell tail sign of HLDV.

You are going through reveg so there will be a lot of strange growth. The last picture, first post, you can see the trichomes covering a large sugar leaf. Small 3 finger bud leaves trying to grow out into full sized veg leaves. Leaves will curle, twist, wrinkle.

Hi Sativa, sorry that photo that you are talking about should not have been in there its a super skunk clone.i will remove the pic.
no there is no smell of decay from what I am able to detect, but maybe it doesn't smell quite right, im unsure on that one yet.
So you think that the other photos are just re veg.
Cheers

 

[cbdhemp808]

You said the new leaves are appearing more normal on the Haze clones. Can we see a photo of that?

The Super silver haze are affected more than the Super Skunk

To me, the Super Skunk doesn't look anything like the Super Silver Haze clones. The Skunk looks like normal reveg.

Of the three Haze clones, the two small ones look stunted and have narrow, distorted leaves. This is not normal for reveg and could be infected. Meanwhile, the bigger one is not stunted and looks normal.

 

[grimlyman]

Yours don't have the splotches or streaks of yellow (aka chlorosis) as is typical with a mosaic virus or co-infection with CCV. I don't know, but it could be HLVd, which doesn't necessarily show chlorosis.

It's your call, but I would remove and destroy the potentially infected plants. HLVd can be spread by insects such as leaf

Now im undecided again. I am reticent to remove them as they are 80% of my crop for the season. I have quarantined them away from the others. And the only pests aside from spider mites are leaf roller catapillars.
I have posted some pics of 4 clones going from best to worst plant

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[bluter]

i'm wondering if it's russets. i really don't think it's viral.

 

[grimlyman]

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i'm wondering if it's russets. i really don't think it's viral.

Hi bluter, i have just updated the pics but couldn't get them in the order i wanted. I will investigate russets .
Cheers

 

[cbdhemp808]

Only two photos came through...

Now im undecided again. I am reticent to remove them as they are 80% of my crop for the season. I have quarantined them away from the others. And the only pests aside from spider mites are leaf roller catapillars.
I have posted some pics of 4 clones going from best to worst plant

View attachment 3707399

I see they've had some time to grow. Top one is still looking abnormal... even new growth is narrow and distorted. Bottom one is a bit better, but still not looking normal. They also look hungry.

I am reticent to remove them as they are 80% of my crop for the season.

Perhaps you don't have enough time in your season, but one idea would be to take the strongest, best plant (Skunk?), grow it up into a clone mom and take some cuttings. Then grow those out for your crop.

My location is on the West coast of the south island New Zealand.

I recently looked up solar info on NZ for another thread. So, you are heading into shorter days and lower sun angle...

Jan. 3rd...

OK, I see about 9 hrs of dark, but depends on where in NZ. It's in the 8.5 to 9.3 range. For Wellington, night length will reach 10 hrs on Feb. 7, and 10.5 hrs on Feb. 19. Night length reaches 12 hrs on March 23.

Today the solar noon angle is at 78° for the tip of the north island and 66° for the southern tip of the southern island. (The max solar noon angle for NZ is almost 79° on Dec. 20, at the north tip of the north island. The sun never gets directly overhead at 90°. On the same day, at the southernmost tip of NZ, the angle is almost 67°.)

For Wellington, the solar noon minimum angle is 25° at solstice on June 20 (middle of winter). The max angle is 72° on the other solstice, Dec. 20 (middle of summer). So, the angle of the sun is now heading toward the minimum. During January, the angle will reduce by 5.6°. During Feb. it will drop another 9°.

At this time of year, the farther south in NZ, the longer the days and the lower the sun angle, and the farther north, the shorter the days and the steeper the sun angle. (In the middle of winter, the farther north, the longer the days and the steeper the sun angle.)

What I do here in Hawaii is use night interruption lighting, which requires only low-wattage LED bulbs. This allows me to control when the plants flower.

 

[grimlyman]

Only two photos came through...

I see they've had some time to grow. Top one is still looking abnormal... even new growth is narrow and distorted. Bottom one is a bit better, but still not looking normal. They also look hungry.


Perhaps you don't have enough time in your season, but one idea would be to take the strongest, best plant (Skunk?), grow it up into a clone mom and take some cuttings. Then grow those out for your crop.


I recently looked up solar info on NZ for another thread. So, you are heading into shorter days and lower sun angle...

Jan. 3rd...


What I do here in Hawaii is use night interruption lighting, which requires only low-wattage LED bulbs. This allows me to control when the plants flower.

Im down the bottom of the south island, they are getting full sun from around 8.00am till 5.30pm. I have some good skunk and i took 4 cuttings 2 days ago for that same reason, only thing is they will have to go indoors.
We do have a shot season November to mid April, anything left to go into may would suffer bud rot.
I can only see one pic, the bottom poc is the best and the other pic is the worst plant 2 of 5.
But at the end of the day there is nothing i can do to rescue the situation so just say "fuck it" and concentrate on the skunk.
Cheers guys and gals