Discolored and deformed leaves. On clones Super silver haze,

grimlyman

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Hi can anyone shed any light on the state of these clones.
The Super silver haze are affected more than the Super Skunk
They are potted in a premium potting mix but with so many extreme elements at the beginning of the season it was hard to get them established, lots of rain, and low temps temperatures. The small Super Skunk clone has spots on it like goosebumps bumps.
They are growing well now but I can't help think they should be a lot healthier.
How often can you apply epsom salt.
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All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.

They are potted in a premium potting mix but with so many extreme elements at the beginning of the season it was hard to get them established, lots of rain, and low temps temperatures.
It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?

They are growing well now but I can't help think they should be a lot healthier.
If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.

How often can you apply epsom salt.
Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.
 
Thanks for your reply Phytoplankton. Last season was a disaster and I don't want a repeat of that.
I thought that the soil may have been a bit strong for them, or they had to much rain.
Thanks again
All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.
 
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All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.
Hi Smo
All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complicat
Hi S
All and all not bad looking. Color is good and no signs of any excess insect issue.


It might help get some answers and info if you were to mention where this outdoor grow is taking place. Is it Australia or South Africa? Don't need the city but at least the country might get some tips and suggestions from others in the same area.

It does look like you ran into some issues because of weather. Maybe not enough sunlight because they went out too early? Sort of like they went into a re-vegetating stage as the days became longer?


If you are in an area that has started the summer season then they will be getting a good amount of sunlight every day and if there is enough soil in the pots and enough fertilizers/nutrients you could end up with some really decent sized plants.

I am thinking along the lines of having 7 to 10 gallon (28 to 40 liter) pots with any half way decent soil measured out and not just going by some size code on the bottom of the pot.


Is there a problem that has started up that would indicate a need for Magnesium? If not and you want a program to help prevent a problem later on then it might be better to use a combined Calcium-Magnesium product.

Too much Magnesium will eventually stop the plant from being able to take in the Calcium it needs. And too much Ca will do the same for Mg. Getting a premixed Cal-Mag product will be better because any decent fertilizer company will balance the ratio between the two to avoid the complications.
SmokingWings, thanks for th oughts, I feel you are correct on the issues that the clones have had to endure to get to this stage.
My location is on the West coast of the south island New Zealand. 4 weeks into summer.
The some clones did indeed go to flower or pre flower stage shortly after they began rooting, some more than others, The weather from the end of November until now had been very wet and dreary, so much so that I removed them from the ground and potted them.
Last season Magnesium deficiency became a major problem, as i initially misdiagnosed it as overfeeding.
I have just done a foliage and soil application of a plant tonic containing Organic sugar chelate plus iron and trace elements.
I will continue to grow them in pots most of the pots are 20lt or 4.5gal.
I have a few in 40lt but because the soil in the pots very seldom dries out due to our rain forest climate, 20lt seems a good size givsn our conditions.
The soil ph was a little low so i applied a small amount of lime.
Yes i think a calmag supplement is needed and I will attend to that tomorrow and reassess the situation about the second week of January.
Thanks again
 
Hi CBD, yeah they are definitely not normal and they did go through a lot of stress to get to where they are now.
They are growing well at the moment after coming back from wanting to flower over the last month.
Each new set of leaves are starting to appear more normal.
I am thinking that the it could be a excessive nutrients thing and the soil i put the clones into was too hot for the fresh clones.

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These are definitely not normal and have been under some kind of stress. My first guess was a virus. Possibly HLVd, the Hop Latent Viroid.
Kiaora CBD ,I was giving more thought to your thoughts that it could be a virus due to the fact that all the clones are showing the same problem, even though they have different soil types and different feeding requirements.
so after much research I think I have the culprit

Cannabis Cryptic Virus

You know, when [Cannabis Cryptic Virus] is there with Hop Latent Virus or Lettuce Chlorosis Virus, it may slightly alter the ways those are working – but it’s pretty anecdotal. So, admittedly, Cannabis Cryptic Virus is kind of the ‘Red Headed Step Child’…”.

Meaning that CCV is most commonly detected in the presence of another virus, and can add or alter viral symptoms in that sense.

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Do the leaves smell like decay? Tell tail sign of HLDV.

You are going through reveg so there will be a lot of strange growth. The last picture, first post, you can see the trichomes covering a large sugar leaf. Small 3 finger bud leaves trying to grow out into full sized veg leaves. Leaves will curle, twist, wrinkle and stretch into mutated freaks until true leaves sprout.
 
Kiaora CBD ,I was giving more thought to your thoughts that it could be a virus due to the fact that all the clones are showing the same problem, even though they have different soil types and different feeding requirements.
so after much research I think I have the culprit

Cannabis Cryptic Virus

Yours don't have the splotches or streaks of yellow (aka chlorosis) as is typical with a mosaic virus or co-infection with CCV. I don't know, but it could be HLVd, which doesn't necessarily show chlorosis.

It's your call, but I would remove and destroy the potentially infected plants. HLVd can be spread by insects such as leaf hoppers.
 
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