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Just an observation .....

I noticed, in several of your photos, that your DIY lid is curling up around the edges. This may make controlling humidity challenging. I know the original lid fit tightly and no water vapor could escape around the edges of the res. You might try some small C-clamps to improve the seal.

Plants are looking good!!
 
Just an observation .....

I noticed, in several of your photos, that your DIY lid is curling up around the edges. This may make controlling humidity challenging. I know the original lid fit tightly and no water vapor could escape around the edges of the res. You might try some small C-clamps to improve the seal.

Plants are looking good!!
Heh, thanks for the idea.

I'd noticed that it was bowing but decided to leave it for this grow. It's a little frustrating to see that but it is my own doing.

RE. the original lid - agreed. It "snaps" in place and provides a moisture seal but it also provides structural support for the res. I've noticed that the res is bowing in the back.

I might be able to change res tops. It's an issue of being able to get the root bal out through the net pot holes. I'd like to avoid damage to the roots but my understanding is that they will grow back quickly. The other issue is that the base of the plant causes the net pot to bulge so I might have to "excavate" some of the hydroton. Shit.

Temps hit 85 so I opened the back garage door for a but and it's at 79° and 55%.
 
Day 40.

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Pretty expensive res, I would try to save it before it gets misshaped beyond repair. You might be able to catch it before the major bulge.
No question, they're $$. I'll take a look this weekend.
 
Day 40

The photo above is from the tent cam. After some defol yesterday AM, I waited a day and shut out the lights at 1130 today. The speed of recovery//growth rate has been really something.

Picture taken 20241028 0810
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Picture taken 20241028 2117 (13 hours later)
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Picture taken 20241029 1051 (13 hours later)
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There's noticeable change in the second and third photos. Really something.

Temps in the tent were a little higher than previously, reading 85 ambient. I've let it get the high because the leaf temperature offset has been running -6 and -7. My IR thermometer is a few years old and didn't have an adjustable emissivity value so I ordered new one and the offsets are the same. That means that 85 in the tent is only high 70's on the canopy so I'm good to go.

Added some nutes to bring PPM to 620/500. Doser ran more than expected at 7.2 yesterday, 3.0 as of this AM when I put the lights out, and, since 1124 it's added 5ml of down so the N is "leaving the building". I expect to see PPM drop tomorrow.

Light is the big driver and I've been feeding them well. Just for the heck of it, I took readings with flaps open and then closed. Any drop values with the flaps closed shows how inaccurate it is to take readings manually (and hastily).

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They're both getting really good light and are responding very well. Per the photos above, the foliage filled in very quickly after I defoliated. All in all, I'm at 1kµmol and it's the unevenness of the canopy and the falloff in light output that I'll need to address.

The AC Infinity heater has been running today, with the C69 set to keep the temp at 77°. I've set it to level 4/10 and it's used 1.52 kWh which is about 60¢ of electricity here in the People's Republic. Worst case is $40 per month, add in the 330 watts for the light and that's another $50±. Oh, don't forget the $1.18 it costs for nutes when I do a new res. :-)

The little Pohl Schmitt dehu has been running but it's not up to the job. It's rated at 10oz/day so I found one that's pretty much the same size that will extract 34oz/day. That will be here "tomorrow by 10 PM" so I'll that will be in the tent on Thursday AM.

Lights kick on at 2330. I'll set an alarm for zero dark and will see how temperatures are doing and then check things out after I get up in the AM.
 
Day 41.

I think I f'd up. The change in the plants with 12 hours of darkness was quite something and it makes me think that 24/0 in veg is not optimal. Cannabis doesn't need darkness to do its "dark cycle" processing but that doesn't neceassarily mean that cannabis benefits, overall, from not being in darkness for some time every day.

Bugbee was asked about 24/0, 20/4, 18/6 in veg and his reply was "plans could use a little rest". While I've gotten good results from 24/0 previously, I think it's worth it to back off to 20/4. What's been in the back of my mind is that these plants seem to me to be smaller than they should be. They've got a huge amount of foliage but they're just "wee little f'ers".

The other factor that's influenced me was that my first few grows were done using the Mars SP3000 in veg. The Mars is a white LED do it's got a fair amount of red vs the Growcraft veg light with huge amounts of blue photons.


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First day of flower and things went pretty well. VPD dropped when the light went out (as it did just now) but the heater kicked in and brought the temp up which pushed RH down.

The big confounding issue is my leaf temperature offset. At -7±, it's very hard to get RH down low enough to get VPD up to 1.0. Per my previous posting, I bought a new IR gun. The numbers are the same so I've got to believe they're accurate. I'm calibrating the Govee's again and will use those to check/calibrate the C69 RH values.

In term of temperature, I've use a Thermopen to calibrate the Pulse and then bumped that against the C69 and they're in synch.

I've checked temps with fans running and with no fans running, flaps opened and closed and I always end up -5 to -7.

Despite all that, the plants are doing well. There was growth for this first day of flower and they're enjoying the light. I increased the hang height to 12" to try to get a more even light cast and will keep upping the hang height and wattage, if I need to. ATM, wattage is 291 so I'm running at about 90% power.

The only issue I'm seeing is that Erica has developed a nute issue. Two potential causes come to mind - the res is 40 days old and there's a difference in VPD between Donna and Erica of about 0.2.
VPD, even being +0.2 for Erica, would only put it at 1.3 which is not high enough to cause a nute issue with nutes at EC 1.2 so I'm thinking it's time for a new res. I'll do a new res tomorrow AM.


This discoloration showed up since lights out yesterday at 1130.
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The fan isn't running. I've removed it from the tent.
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Erica
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Donna
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Adjusted the hang height. The front row on Donna is further from the light than on Erica even though I removed the weights on that part of the plant.

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Oh, I did get up at 02 to check the tent and everything was good. What struck me though was that night time VPD should stay fairly close to daytime VPD, according to the folks at Pulse. What I'm seeing, though, is that VPD drops precipitously at lights out and takes a few hours to claw back up to 1.0. I shut the lights out at 1100 today and, in the past hour, the heater has brought the temp up to 77 but RH is 60%.

With a leaf offset of 0°, those 77 + 60 give me a VPD of 1.26 which is perfecto. But my offset is -7 so that puts my VPD in the shitter. :-(

This raises the question-is my offset -7 when the lights are out? I can guess all I want (and have zero expertise to come up with sounds arguments much less a conclusion) so the only way to find out is to find out.

I'll check temps around 2000 today. My hope is that the offset (magically) drops to the "standard" -2 which means that VPD is exactly where I want it because I really would like to avoid having VPD in "bud rot range" and not be able to do much about it. The new tent dehu will be here shortly but it's better to have VPD at the right range instead of having to wring out every last drop of moisture to get it up to 1.x.

Just got a text from Amazon - my new dehu is out for delivery. "Where were you guys two hours ago!" Spoiled, aren't we!
 
You may want to wait to make any major changes until you get the lid secured. Just a suggestion.
The gap between the lid and the res is really small, ¼" or so. It does impact temperature and RH because it's not sealed but the magnitude of the impact would be hard to measure. At most, it's a couple of square inches of air gap on the underside of the res top.

The only change I'm thinking of is a res change. It's 40± days old and I'm interpreting the nutrient issue as being an indicator that the res needs to be changed. I'll get to the tomorrow.
 
47/6.5/1.0 (47 days since sprout, week 6 day 5 of the grow, and week 1 day 0 in flower)

Mostly more of the same but, finally, some of the buds are starting to stick up from the rest of the canopy. Donna is on the left. Erica is taking her sweet time about things, however.

Did a new res a few days ago and took the opportunity to check the roots. All's well.
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Family portrait from 20241102
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Pictures from today. Everything looking healthy. Nute imbalance issue is long gone.
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Erica is tiny compare to Donna.
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Buds starting to rise from the canopy.
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Took these off of Erica today. Most of those are 2 ounce weights, the smaller ones are 1 ounce.
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Donna's stems/branches are long and slender. Erica is squat with very short branches and lots of small, light yellow growth. I got rid of some of it today.
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VPD been running right at 1.2. Lights on temps are as high as 84 but canopy temp is only in the high 70's and the C69 runs Hugh just enough to keep RH in the 50's. When lights are out, the heater keeps the temp at 76 or so.

Even after some defol, water uptake is about 1 gallon a day. The new tent dehu is doing well-I poured 200ml from the tank when the lights came on today. Te bucket from the Waykar had a couple of gallons from two (maybe three) days ago.

Nutes - as few as I can get away with. PPM has been 630/500 and I topped the res to bring PPM to 750. I'm using the standard Jacks 3-2-1 mixture and have had excellent results topping off the res with nutrient solution.

pH is dropping a bit, as expected, but adding nutes raises pH slightly. There's been much less pH action than I had anticipated.

I haven't changed the hang height or dimmer so Donna is getting close to the light. With buds starting to appear, I'll be sampling a lot more points but, for now, these are the PPFD values.

The front half of Donna is getting very high light and she's loving it. There are no signs of issues but I need to raise the light to get more light in the corner.

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It looks like I will be able to keep my flower top temp < 78 and get 1kµmol on the canopy. This grow is running a cool with a leaf temperature offset of -4.

The key to keeping the grow environment is the AC Infinity gear. I can't control the intensity of the light but the Controller 69 and its iPhone app let me control/configure six other devices. That's incredible power for a piece of technology that costs about $100.
 
51/7.2/1.4

Four days since an update, the main reason being is that there's just not a lot happening. In earlier grows, I've called it a "Maytag repairman grow" and, well, that's how it's been (so far).

Outdoor temps have been 70's to the high 40's but the garage has stayed in the 70's, as expected. A big change has been that humidity has been low so the Waykar has been able to keep RH in the garage in the 20's and 30's. That makes a big difference keeping RH down. It' much easier to add RH than it is to take it out! ("Looking at you, bud rot!")

I added the AC Infinity heater for my previous grow and it's been great. I've changed the light schedule from lights on 2300-1100 to lights on 0600-1800. I want to take advantage of "the heat of the day" (as little as it is) so I'm going to move lights on to 0900-2100. Temps in the tent have been lower than expected with the highs touching 83 vs 85+ in past Fall grows. That's made it easy to keep the grow environment right where I want it.

From the Controller 69 app. That's the RH and humidity distribution for the past week.
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Temp, RH, and VPD across the top. The graph at the bottom shows the humidifier run times in white (at the very bottom), the inline fan in light blue/grey blue at the top, and the heater in a darker blue running only at lights out.

I do have to futz with things a bit. When lights come on, I have to open the tent to get dry air in from the garage but, other than that, it's really been a "hands off" grow.
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Unlike previous grows, I haven't see the big pH drop I've seen in previous grows. Yes, pH had dropped a few tenths a day for a maybe three or four days but as of day 9, IIRC, that stopped and I've seen pH gradually rising.

I bumped EC to 1.4 and change (720/500) and am adding back using RO + nutrient solution. That's worked well—there is no indication of any issues with nute strength. The only discoloration I'm seeing is that some of the older fan leaves are starting to turn so I've plucked them off.

Per the photos below, buds are starting to form and the branches are growing up above the canopy. Donna is growing much faster than Erica at 20"± vs 12". I've canted the light but there's about a 200µmol difference between the two and there's really nothing I can do to fix that.


The sensor with the blue tape are Govee sensors while the one without tape is the PulseZero. The sensor for the C69 is hanging behind the second Govee from the left.

That white rectangle in the center of the light is a sheet of paper that I taped around that light bar. It cuts PPFD by about 100µmol so it evens out the PPFD very nicely.
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Tent dehu working well. Between the weather, the Waykar, and the tent dehu, RH is rarely higher than the high 50's. That little bunch of leaves is Erica. About 12" across and 12" tall.
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When I topped Donna, I didn't leave enough of the apical stem and, while working with the plant, both of the branches at the fourth node broke off. Yeh, f'd that up. Despite that, I'm thinking this will be a good harvest. Leaves are a healthy green and, now that she's in flower, the branches are growing quickly and the interior of the plant is starting to "thin out". Since my 2401 grow was a goat rope, it's been a long time since I've seen a cannabis plant up close so I've gotten a little bit frustrated by "all those leaves". I've just forgotten that it tends to thin out when the plant in flower, when the plant gets taller.
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Decent canopy.
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The HDPE top was a good idea but I should have use ½" instead of ⅜" because the thinner sheet is sagging. The canopy is tilted so I cut a couple of semi-circles out of a net pot cover and put them under net pots to even out the plants. Donna had a double stack, Erica just needed one.

The branch structure is pretty robust. I have a trellis but Donna is only 20" tall and I've been using a silica supplement so I may not need to install it. Note the two USB fans on the res top. The plastic hose in the center is the hose for the doser.
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Light before and after raising the light. I wasn't seeing any issues with light at >1200 so I raised the right side of the light about 2".

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Lotsa words here but not much happening yet. Per the photos, both plants are just now starting to flower so the pace of change should pick up from here.

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Lit up the Spider Farmer GlowR80's. They're adding up to 400µmol of 660nm.

This picture is with the Growcraft shut off but I'm running them together. With the R80's running, the wattage on the Growcraft is now 170 watts, down from 330 watts. In addition to dropping to (holy shit) half power, the % of red photons is way up (which is why I can cut back on the wattage on the Growcraft).

Not only is red% up and wattage down but temperature in the tent looks to be down about 2°.

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I was working in the tent today and, when I tried to super crop a bud, I snapped it off. Very no bueno.

This picture was taken at 12:41:57, less than 5 minutes after the accident.
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Taken at 12:45:55-four minutes later and it was gone. Shit.
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I'm FOLA (Army acronym for "fucking off, local area") but will have an update tomorrow.
 
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