No definitely not. When leaves are done, they’re generally completely yellow/brown.
More like the opposite - slight overfeeding. Any leaf that is such a dark green colour is never deficient in N.
Deformed or Mutated Leaves
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No definitely not. When leaves are done, they’re generally completely yellow/brown.
More like the opposite - slight overfeeding. Any leaf that is such a dark green colour is never deficient in N.
Joeydrumstix
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I havent fed her anything at all since day 1 of seed. I'm using this organic soil that was made locally to my area that's really good for growing tomatoes but I haven't added any organic or chemical fertilizers at all just filtered water
Yeah, it’s just the nutrients that are in the soil. That’s fine. The plant looks good. 
Joeydrumstix
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I'm trying to just be really minimal with this one I'm not in the greatest of locations. I am going to buy some foxfarm liquid bloom once I'm a few weeks into the flowering process though and also a pH meter for the water
Anyone had growth like this. Was thinking cold as it's been getting down to 9 degrees at night
CelestialNurseries
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Could be that or other things...raise the temp and see what happens
Another question about deformed leaves.. see attached photos. Plants overall look great except new growth is distorted and upper fan leaves only have two or three lobes, not the usual five. Weird. Never seen this before and I suspect maybe a broad mite infestation, except it's only leaf deformation I see, no eggs or other damage. Anyone got any ideas?
Me again... I'm just seeing another possible explanation for the deformed leaves mentioned in my previous post and it's that the plant is confused - started flowering but reverting to vegetative state for some reason. Is that possible? Plants are a little more than 8 weeks old, grown outside literally until the longest day of the year, then put indoors under 12/12 light conditions. I started seeing a little deformed new growth a couple weeks ago and since bringing the plants indoors for what I thought would be the flowering stage, more leaf deformation started. Any ideas? If it's a reveg situation, will they eventually get back to flowering under 12/12 indoor lighting conditions? (BTW, no light leaks into the indoor growing space, though I'm now planning to triple check that). Thanks for any advice...!
Yep it’s a reveg, it’s gonna take some time to straighten out… for now stay with 18/6 veg lighting because 12/12 isn’t going to help.
Right now she’s got single bladed fan leaves, in a week or three she will begin to pop 3 bladed fan leaves. Then after even more time elapses it will start pushing standard 5 bladed fan leaves that you are accustomed to seeing, and will resume growing normally from there.
Sorry but hurry up and wait is your only option,…
Right now she’s got single bladed fan leaves, in a week or three she will begin to pop 3 bladed fan leaves. Then after even more time elapses it will start pushing standard 5 bladed fan leaves that you are accustomed to seeing, and will resume growing normally from there.
Sorry but hurry up and wait is your only option,…
Interesting, thanks! Two follow-up questions if you don't mind offering additional advice...
1. Now that I'm all disoriented about where we are in the grow cycle, how will I know when to switch to 12/12 lighting? As soon as I see them budding up?
2. Not sure why the reveg happened. As mentioned, I had these plants outside experiencing long day lengths for about five weeks (indoor clones before that under 18/6 lights) and put them under 12/12 conditions as soon as I saw them looking like they were moving into flower stage (and to get them out of too moist, bud-rotting coastal conditions). But in the week or two before shifting to 12/12, I was seeing what I now understand is evidence of the plants starting to undergo reveg. I don't understand how that could be since they had just barely started to look bud-ish. I thought reveg was about too much light leaking into a 12/12 flower room situation. Any additional thoughts you can offer so I know how to prevent this from happening again?
Thanks again!
1. Now that I'm all disoriented about where we are in the grow cycle, how will I know when to switch to 12/12 lighting? As soon as I see them budding up?
2. Not sure why the reveg happened. As mentioned, I had these plants outside experiencing long day lengths for about five weeks (indoor clones before that under 18/6 lights) and put them under 12/12 conditions as soon as I saw them looking like they were moving into flower stage (and to get them out of too moist, bud-rotting coastal conditions). But in the week or two before shifting to 12/12, I was seeing what I now understand is evidence of the plants starting to undergo reveg. I don't understand how that could be since they had just barely started to look bud-ish. I thought reveg was about too much light leaking into a 12/12 flower room situation. Any additional thoughts you can offer so I know how to prevent this from happening again?
Thanks again!
Sure my pleasure & sorry for delayed reply but was outdoors for a bit there…
No budding won’t happen until after light hours are reduced again. But don’t take that to mean you can just reduce light hours at this time. She’s undergoing photoperiod related stress so for now just keep on 18/6 until it goes thru the leaf changes… you want her to stabilize on 18/6 and get to where she’s showing 5 bladed fans over the bulk of the plant, once that happens give a week or 2 for safety net and then it’s ok to flip back to 12/12
For now you need to wait until it goes completely thru the 3 stages mentioned above. Right now it’s got the single bladed fans, in few weeks it will pop 3 bladed fans but still not ready. Eventually it converts to pushing out the standard 5 bladed fans you are accustomed to seeing then it’s back growing normal but with an important added feature… the plant will be considered as monster cropped and it will be very bushy with lots of extra side branches… should yield good if all else is in alignment. Any clones you cut after it reverts back to veg state will also carry the monster crop trait…
After it goes to 5 bladed fans and stabilizes for a week or two then you can start over with 12/12 light cycle to trigger or initiate flowering process…
Reveg is not about too much light intensity or light leaks- we often tend to think it’s about the amount of daylight hours…. but actually it’s about the amount of uninterrupted dark hours… The dark hours tell the plant winter is coming so you better build flowers and try to find a mate to make seeds to carry on survival of the species. Of course we want to keep her from being pollinated so it’s seedless or sinsemilla buds
Generally speaking they can’t go outdoors until after summer solstice… June 20th but even then they don’t flower right away as it takes several weeks to build up flower hormones.
It’s going to be slow process but just hang in there… there’s no way to speed things up and she will be bushy AF for sure so be prepared to train and spread her out and thin some branches down…
No budding won’t happen until after light hours are reduced again. But don’t take that to mean you can just reduce light hours at this time. She’s undergoing photoperiod related stress so for now just keep on 18/6 until it goes thru the leaf changes… you want her to stabilize on 18/6 and get to where she’s showing 5 bladed fans over the bulk of the plant, once that happens give a week or 2 for safety net and then it’s ok to flip back to 12/12
For now you need to wait until it goes completely thru the 3 stages mentioned above. Right now it’s got the single bladed fans, in few weeks it will pop 3 bladed fans but still not ready. Eventually it converts to pushing out the standard 5 bladed fans you are accustomed to seeing then it’s back growing normal but with an important added feature… the plant will be considered as monster cropped and it will be very bushy with lots of extra side branches… should yield good if all else is in alignment. Any clones you cut after it reverts back to veg state will also carry the monster crop trait…
After it goes to 5 bladed fans and stabilizes for a week or two then you can start over with 12/12 light cycle to trigger or initiate flowering process…
Reveg is not about too much light intensity or light leaks- we often tend to think it’s about the amount of daylight hours…. but actually it’s about the amount of uninterrupted dark hours… The dark hours tell the plant winter is coming so you better build flowers and try to find a mate to make seeds to carry on survival of the species. Of course we want to keep her from being pollinated so it’s seedless or sinsemilla buds
Generally speaking they can’t go outdoors until after summer solstice… June 20th but even then they don’t flower right away as it takes several weeks to build up flower hormones.
It’s going to be slow process but just hang in there… there’s no way to speed things up and she will be bushy AF for sure so be prepared to train and spread her out and thin some branches down…
You asked 'Any ideas?' and I have a question or two because something seems really off track.
Is the plant that you are concerned about a Photoperiod? I would have to guess that it is since it goes into and out of flower but asking to be sure.
To give a better answer you have to let us know where you are located. We do not need the city but we should know the country at least. Reason I am asking is that I have the feeling that you are in the southern hemisphere where your outdoor weather is your winter season.
Thanks very much for the follow up advice 013. Very helpful!
And thanks for the clarifying questions, SmokingWings. I'm in the US Pacific Northwest. On the coast. And yes, both photoperiod strains. As opposed to autoflower, right?
I'm sure you can tell I'm not a hard core grower, just grow a handful of plants from time to time. Somehow I've avoided any reveg issues in the past. This experience and 013's advice has definitely heightened my awareness of the importance of uninterrupted dark hours which I'll be sure to track much more closely in the future.
In the meantime, I imagine going from the 18-6 lights (in a room with windows so 6 hrs darkness wasn't exact), then outdoors once our spring storms were done* (something like 16.5-7.5 daylight-night time hrs), and then the 12-12 no windows grow room probably confused these plants. But my lingering question is why would the plants have started to go into reveg when they were outdoors experiencing only 7.5 hrs of darkness? Was the difference between ~6 hrs and 7.5 hrs darkness the trigger? I'm still confused about that. I really appreciate both your ongoing and experienced advice here....!
*FYI, I've grown 100% outdoors in the past (though finishing under 12-12 light indoors to prevent bud rot since we can get fog in late summer) with zero problems. I've usually started mid or late May when it's relatively warm and storm-free here. So possibly starting about a month earlier and needing to introduce lights into the equation during the veg stage this time caused some confusion, right?
And thanks for the clarifying questions, SmokingWings. I'm in the US Pacific Northwest. On the coast. And yes, both photoperiod strains. As opposed to autoflower, right?
I'm sure you can tell I'm not a hard core grower, just grow a handful of plants from time to time. Somehow I've avoided any reveg issues in the past. This experience and 013's advice has definitely heightened my awareness of the importance of uninterrupted dark hours which I'll be sure to track much more closely in the future.
In the meantime, I imagine going from the 18-6 lights (in a room with windows so 6 hrs darkness wasn't exact), then outdoors once our spring storms were done* (something like 16.5-7.5 daylight-night time hrs), and then the 12-12 no windows grow room probably confused these plants. But my lingering question is why would the plants have started to go into reveg when they were outdoors experiencing only 7.5 hrs of darkness? Was the difference between ~6 hrs and 7.5 hrs darkness the trigger? I'm still confused about that. I really appreciate both your ongoing and experienced advice here....!
*FYI, I've grown 100% outdoors in the past (though finishing under 12-12 light indoors to prevent bud rot since we can get fog in late summer) with zero problems. I've usually started mid or late May when it's relatively warm and storm-free here. So possibly starting about a month earlier and needing to introduce lights into the equation during the veg stage this time caused some confusion, right?
Quick follow up...
I'm seeing on this site advice telling people that a reveg situation can be solved in one of two ways...
1. Let it re-vegetate completely if you actually want the plant to be in the vegetative stage, or…
2. Correct the light periods by getting rid of any possible light leaks and giving plants 12 hours of interrupted darkness a day (to get them to go back into the flowering stage).
So their advice is to just continue with 12-12 lighting if flowering is what you want. But 013 you're saying that won't work, right?
I'm seeing on this site advice telling people that a reveg situation can be solved in one of two ways...
1. Let it re-vegetate completely if you actually want the plant to be in the vegetative stage, or…
2. Correct the light periods by getting rid of any possible light leaks and giving plants 12 hours of interrupted darkness a day (to get them to go back into the flowering stage).
So their advice is to just continue with 12-12 lighting if flowering is what you want. But 013 you're saying that won't work, right?
If you stay on 12/12 the plant will try once again to flower but the plant is already well underway on reveg with the single bladed fans… feel pretty confident that she literally can’t build buds on top of single bladed fans
think it will add a bunch more stress and might cause the plant to hermie because you would be trying to force flower on a chick that’s not ready
the only safe way that I’m aware of is to continue with reveg but let’s get more input
don’t think light leaks have a horse in this race, flower is determined by light schedule, said differently it’s the amount of uninterrupted darkness
@bluter @Bill284 @HappyHazmat88
think it will add a bunch more stress and might cause the plant to hermie because you would be trying to force flower on a chick that’s not ready
the only safe way that I’m aware of is to continue with reveg but let’s get more input
don’t think light leaks have a horse in this race, flower is determined by light schedule, said differently it’s the amount of uninterrupted darkness
@bluter @Bill284 @HappyHazmat88
Thanks! Looking forward to hearing additional input on this subject!
About light leaks. I understand uninterrupted darkness is the key environmental attribute triggering plant changes, but don't light leaks interrupt the darkness? Or are you saying the light leaks would have to be pretty bright to affect plant growth? I read about people worrying about tiny light cracks in their dark grow rooms or LED lights on devices in the room.
HappyHazmat88
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Yea I second this, I would let it reveg completely out until the plant looks stable or has 5-7 fingered fans again. As 013 said all the changes back to back is causing stress which at some point can force her to go rouge and decide to be shim ... No bueno!
But to be honest I do not have to much experience in this personal just a little knowledge from all the reading I've done... And haven't come across anything where someone forced flower mid reveg, so I'm curious to see what others have to say about it as well.
Hey Buddy
Thanks for the tag.
I’m not 100% sure of the question.
If your asking if you can flip back to flower mid reveg then I’ve done it.
Unfortunately all my notes were lost in the fire.
I experimented with stretching and reveging for a while trying to find extra growth.
2 weeks flower for stretch.
Then veg 2 weeks then back to flower.
I had stable genetics from Holland at the time.
It works, you can do it.
But it was a yard sale if I remember correctly.
A big plant but really funny looking and buds weren’t great.
I eventually went with a standard 12/12 through flower.
If you have time a couple more weeks veg before flowering would be better in the long run.
Hope that helps.
Take care.
Btw everyone knows this is an old post right?
Stay safe
Bill284
This plant is reveggingAnother question about deformed leaves.. see attached photos. Plants overall look great except new growth is distorted and upper fan leaves only have two or three lobes, not the usual five. Weird. Never seen this before and I suspect maybe a broad mite infestation, except it's only leaf deformation I see, no eggs or other damage. Anyone got any ideas?