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Stoned4daze61
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Re: Outdoor grow BPN
Don't be afraid to tie it all the way down, you want the stem coming out of the soil vertically and then a 90 degree angle so the top is horizontal.
Here are some basic paint pics I whipped up really quick to give you an idea
In The top pic the green represents your plant and how it is leaning over to the side. The red is your LST Tie, and the dotted blue is how your plant should be.
The second pic represents your plant properly LST'd. The blue line is an optional tie or hook that you may need to support the base of the stem so the whole plant doesn't lean over when you use the red tie to tie it down further. Essentially you want a straight up plant with the top tied over instead of the whole plant leaning like it is now.
Don't be afraid to tie it all the way down, you want the stem coming out of the soil vertically and then a 90 degree angle so the top is horizontal.
Here are some basic paint pics I whipped up really quick to give you an idea
In The top pic the green represents your plant and how it is leaning over to the side. The red is your LST Tie, and the dotted blue is how your plant should be.
The second pic represents your plant properly LST'd. The blue line is an optional tie or hook that you may need to support the base of the stem so the whole plant doesn't lean over when you use the red tie to tie it down further. Essentially you want a straight up plant with the top tied over instead of the whole plant leaning like it is now.
Mr Mud-Pie
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this is very true if ur doing lst
this is very true if ur doing lst
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oh man. everyone telling me it looks great! when its all wrong.... idk i might just go back to stem strengthening idea. idk yet. this is tough decision i really need some help guys. can you guys help me out man. i just want to know THE BEST THING TO DO FOR HER. lol I'm like frustrated now cuz i thought everything was going good. but thanks for the feedback
oh man. everyone telling me it looks great! when its all wrong.... idk i might just go back to stem strengthening idea. idk yet. this is tough decision i really need some help guys. can you guys help me out man. i just want to know THE BEST THING TO DO FOR HER. lol I'm like frustrated now cuz i thought everything was going good. but thanks for the feedback
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if i tie it like it shows in that diagram it won't end up like that? I'm very confused. screw it. i guess its just stem strengthening.
if i tie it like it shows in that diagram it won't end up like that? I'm very confused. screw it. i guess its just stem strengthening.
Grandpa Mud-P
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well your not doing stright LST ur just training the stem hence why you move it every few days to a day, if u look ur stem is thicker all ready, its just a bonus to get more nodes really
well your not doing stright LST ur just training the stem hence why you move it every few days to a day, if u look ur stem is thicker all ready, its just a bonus to get more nodes really
Stoned4daze61
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I don't know. Personally I think healthy Outdoor plants stems will get plenty strong, between the months of veg and the wind. If you look at outdoor grows on youtube that have any decent amount amount of veg time, the stems get as thick as a soda can without any "stem training". LST is stem training in a since, but the point is to get multiple colas while keeping the plant a manageable height. Would you want a plant that you need a ladder to get to the top, but only yields half as much? Or a shorter plant that is a few feet in diameter that yields twice as much?
Lst'ing creates an even canopy so none of the buds fight for light, it also allows more airflow to decrease risk of budrot.
Thin stems can also be a genetic thing. The true OG can't support itself and needs to be tied and staked. Even outdoor plants that have massive tree trunks have trellis nets, bamboo stakes, or some sort of support because the buds just get too heavy.
I don't know. Personally I think healthy Outdoor plants stems will get plenty strong, between the months of veg and the wind. If you look at outdoor grows on youtube that have any decent amount amount of veg time, the stems get as thick as a soda can without any "stem training". LST is stem training in a since, but the point is to get multiple colas while keeping the plant a manageable height. Would you want a plant that you need a ladder to get to the top, but only yields half as much? Or a shorter plant that is a few feet in diameter that yields twice as much?
Lst'ing creates an even canopy so none of the buds fight for light, it also allows more airflow to decrease risk of budrot.
Thin stems can also be a genetic thing. The true OG can't support itself and needs to be tied and staked. Even outdoor plants that have massive tree trunks have trellis nets, bamboo stakes, or some sort of support because the buds just get too heavy.
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well have u seen gramps plants stoned4dze? I'm so torn in two directions.........
i have 4 other outdoors 3 sprouted and one coming so i will try different things. but as for this one I'm gonna LST it. ill wait to decide others
well have u seen gramps plants stoned4dze? I'm so torn in two directions.........
i have 4 other outdoors 3 sprouted and one coming so i will try different things. but as for this one I'm gonna LST it. ill wait to decide others
Mr Mud-Pie
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That's a perfect LST nicely done!!
do what makes u happy and makes ur plant happy I say
That's a perfect LST nicely done!!
do what makes u happy and makes ur plant happy I say
Stoned4daze61
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Looks MUCH better
Now you will really see those lower nodes reach up for light since all the auxins are redistributed to all the branches instead of just the top node.
What two directions are you torn on?
The plant is very forgiving and can take a lot before anything irreversible happens.
If your deciding if you want to LST,Top,Fim,etc you can do it all
You can still top a plant that has been LST'd
You can still LST a plant that has been topped
You can still do both to a plant that has been Fimmed or vice versa
I don't know if your catching my drift but it is all personal preference. What works best for me or Gramps may not work best for you. I say experiment, try different techniques on your others and compare at the end which works best for you.
Looks MUCH better
Now you will really see those lower nodes reach up for light since all the auxins are redistributed to all the branches instead of just the top node.
What two directions are you torn on?
The plant is very forgiving and can take a lot before anything irreversible happens.
If your deciding if you want to LST,Top,Fim,etc you can do it all
You can still top a plant that has been LST'd
You can still LST a plant that has been topped
You can still do both to a plant that has been Fimmed or vice versa
I don't know if your catching my drift but it is all personal preference. What works best for me or Gramps may not work best for you. I say experiment, try different techniques on your others and compare at the end which works best for you.
Mr Mud-Pie
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100000% right, everyone grows differently, i mean i know my uncle does things that i wouldnt do but yet he gets great grows its just how u feel ur plant wants and needs and how it should be done ect but ya i mean u shouldnt feel bad. your plant is healthy and will keep looking better and better every day
Looks MUCH better
Now you will really see those lower nodes reach up for light since all the auxins are redistributed to all the branches instead of just the top node.
What two directions are you torn on?
The plant is very forgiving and can take a lot before anything irreversible happens.
If your deciding if you want to LST,Top,Fim,etc you can do it all
You can still top a plant that has been LST'd
You can still LST a plant that has been topped
You can still do both to a plant that has been Fimmed or vice versa
I don't know if your catching my drift but it is all personal preference. What works best for me or Gramps may not work best for you. I say experiment, try different techniques on your others and compare at the end which works best for you.
100000% right, everyone grows differently, i mean i know my uncle does things that i wouldnt do but yet he gets great grows its just how u feel ur plant wants and needs and how it should be done ect but ya i mean u shouldnt feel bad. your plant is healthy and will keep looking better and better every day
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o yea guys, forgot to mention in my update that i upped the dose of nutes this week to the "veg 2" of the BP organic nutrient feed schedule since she taking this first week of feeding SO WELL!...... it says 10 ml, i did 8ml of grow bloom micro and we shall see what she does the next couple days! especially during the "perfect lst" as mud says
THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE HELP. KEEP THE FEEDBACK COMING
o yea guys, forgot to mention in my update that i upped the dose of nutes this week to the "veg 2" of the BP organic nutrient feed schedule since she taking this first week of feeding SO WELL!...... it says 10 ml, i did 8ml of grow bloom micro and we shall see what she does the next couple days! especially during the "perfect lst" as mud says
THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE HELP. KEEP THE FEEDBACK COMING
Grandpa Mud-P
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Well i cant wait to see what this BPN does, i hear so much about it i might try it if MMP plant responds well to it
Well i cant wait to see what this BPN does, i hear so much about it i might try it if MMP plant responds well to it
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so my girlfriend is going to be doing a plant I'm gonna help her and were gonna call it hers guys this REALLY got here more into this growing idea! u should try this technique! but anyway, she will be growing a vertigo automatic. putting in grodan cube tonight
so my girlfriend is going to be doing a plant
I'm gonna help her and were gonna call it hers guys this REALLY got here more into this growing idea! u should try this technique! but anyway, she will be growing a vertigo automatic. putting in grodan cube tonight Grandpa Mud-P
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or i can combine them
or i can combine them
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Stoned4daze61
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It's great stuff. I'm using the organic Farmers pride pack as well. Can't beat a full organic line of 7 products for $75. The smell is very strong but you get used to it, I'm thinking about trying out the synthetic 2-part or 3-part for my DWC
Plus the owner corey is a sponsor for this site and always contributes very helpful info on this site.
Well i cant wait to see what this BPN does, i hear so much about it i might try it if MMP plant responds well to it
It's great stuff. I'm using the organic Farmers pride pack as well. Can't beat a full organic line of 7 products for $75. The smell is very strong but you get used to it, I'm thinking about trying out the synthetic 2-part or 3-part for my DWC
Plus the owner corey is a sponsor for this site and always contributes very helpful info on this site.
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