Ah, hello Curso, I hear you were requesting a response from Lush Lighting. Here I am, my name is Sam, I am an actual human person here to respond to your statements... which you say you've given me "ample time" to respond to... 9 hours and 57 minutes after your first very civil and polite invitation to come have a delightful and mannerly discourse with you. Or more accurately, since we were told that someone was relentlessly bashing us, for no apparent reason, and claiming that we weren't responding... although frankly since we had never in any way been involved in this thread before we had no idea that you existed.
Regardless of the means, I am here. I am more than happy to talk with you about Lush Lights all day long. I believe in this company quite deeply. However, I warn you that if you resort to cursing and insults again, I will not participate any further. There's no call for any of that. I have never talked to you before, no need to be so aggressive.
That being established, let us dive right in, as you've established quite a large swath for me to cover.
Regarding the claim about the "other company" and "copying"; Who from Lush Lighting said this, when did they say it, where did they say it? We generally avoid slinging mud at other companies. There's no need. Our product is excellent.I can't speak for any other company; but when it comes to Lush, we've been selling lights for 3 years with excellent feedback. Before we ever even sold a Lush Light, we spent several years researching and engineering. Either way, it's quite easy to establish that Lush Lighting has been here for awhile now.
By the way? Through hard work and innovation we have earned the exclusive endorsements (and non-exclusive!) of many reputable breeding companies, and the top two cannabis training universities in the United States. There's only one reason that Lush Lighting has all this support: the results people get from our lights. Bottom line.
Someone pulled one apart and found not a single Cree chip. Where's the proof? I find it absurd that as long as one is saying something negative about Lush, several people will jump on it and demand us to justify our business practices and cry for this and that as "proof" - Proof that wasn't required of the claimant, proof that does not satisfy as every time I point out this or that, the bar of "proof" is raised. The burden of evidence here is on Lush Lighting, regardless of who made the initial claim. Cool. So in this kangaroo court, I must assume I am also guilty until proven innocent, given that I've been treated like a hostile witness so far?
Going forward; so for now we will in fact presume that honest to whatever you believe in there were no Cree's in there. Not even one. So? We did start out exclusively with Cree. But we also found other chips that work as well
or better than Cree for our purposes. So we no longer list them as an exclusive supplier, and we don't share our electronics components suppliers. Sorry. That's actually our right and privilege as an American company.
We did not say NASA uses our lights. What Matt said was:
"We’re doing what NASA has been unsuccessful in doing for the last ten years. We have discovered the color ratio and intensity of light required to fuel photosynthesis."
(Link to article originally posted in provided on PM request.)
So are you saying our claim that our lights do indeed have the color & intensity to make cannabis grow properly is false? Because if I Google "Lush LED Lighting videos" or "Lush LED Lighting images", I get a TON of results... mostly of flowering plants. I can also google several well known growers, breeders, and other well respected cannabis associated personas and see a ton of praise for Lush. We don't have to say Lush is special; that's what everyone who has
used a Lush is saying to everyone they know.
"Lets not say they're made in the usa either, we all know 99.9% are made in china."
- We have not claimed our lights were manufactured in the United States. I myself have said that we are working toward and hope to have full manufacture in the US
eventually.
"Ps...I see no patent pending for your lights...so who "IS" copying who??"
Well, I've already addressed this as to the main part of that question, but regarding the patent statement:
From the US Patent Office website:
"Utility patents may be granted to anyone who invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, article of manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof. Design patents may be granted to anyone who invents a new, original, and ornamental design for an article of manufacture. Plant patents may be granted to anyone who invents or discovers and asexually reproduces any distinct and new variety of plant."
What exactly would you suggest we patent? We didn't create LED grow lights. We didn't discover some awesome new process or machine or material to make them with. We tweaked wavelengths of light until they grew awesome cannabis. Perhaps we should patent the diodes themselves.... except that's already covered by the manufacturers, whom we pay handsomely for the right to use said chips. So should we patent wavelengths of light? That's... not really possible. Also, we keep that "special recipe", as it were, secret. As in, proprietary. To apply for anything, one must prove the uniqueness... one must make that "special recipe" public. Geez, well then you could just tweak everything really really close to ours, and say, "Oh hey, we're not doing what they did. It's different, see?" Lastly... patents are US only. You do see the obvious problem there, yes?
-What chips does lush use???
-Where do you get your housing's???
-Where in the world is everything assembled at???
-Do you guys have a PAR foot print over the 4x4 that you claim???
-What G/W are you getting???
-How along are you vegging?
-What drivers do you use???
-What are your pcb's made of???
-What is your space and how many of each light are you running over that space???
-We use a variety of chips, we don't disclose that information in general, we have mentioned a few brands previously... we don't work with one exclusive manufacturer of chips, nor do we care to.
-It's a pretty standard housing.
-Manufactured and assembled in China, as stated many times previously. Packed after assembly and sent immediately to Lush.
We do everything else in Michigan from that point on.
-here : give you a pretty good idea. We're working on some improved charts in the future.
-Most growers report to us about 1G/1W.
- ... Most growers decide on their own vegging time...
-We don't disclose our electronic component suppliers.
-Our MCPCB boards are aluminium.
-Most growers run 1 light over a 4x4 area.
We haven't dodged these questions. Actually I've answered them over and over and over again...
"I see that you are located in my home state of MI....A simple google search shows that address is no factory...."
Our factory is in China. Michigan is not in China. We have still never said that we manufacture here in Michigan... or... wait for it... anywhere
outside of China.
Lush really makes me wonder now that they are selling their shit buy one get a small one free....
Nice. Thanks.
Funny story : Not all of Lush Lighting staff can offer this deal. Only me, and only here on 420Magazine. It was and is a special thank you offer from me, Sam, to the members of 420Magazine...
for being so warm and welcoming to me!
"I've said from the beginning that Lush lighting is no more than another light made in china sold with a bunch of false claims."
We never said our lights were manufactured anywhere other then China.
As far as false claims, quite frankly more experienced and respected growers then you will say that Lush lives up to all of its claims. We have numerous endorsements that are all listed on our website, and any one of those individuals listed would have sued our pants off if we were not legit. A grower who switches from 400w HPS tent to cheap LEDs to other cheap LEDs is hardly in the same league as many of our supporters.
"I have seen them work for some people and other people say they are garbage."
So you've
seen for yourself the great results we speak of, and then you've also
heard people saying negative things about us. Okay.
"I see a bunch of sick plants when I look at many lush growers plants. Not a single one of them is green through and through"
Wait. Which is it? Have you seen them work, or is every single Lush plant you've ever seen sickly and not "green through and through"?
"I haven't seen one grow of lush's with beautiful plants, and Ive looked."
Ooookay. You should click on the links in my sig to KingJohnCs threads. Those aren't beautiful? Those are sickly? At this point, I'm truly questioning if YOU know what a healthy plant looks like.
"There is a reason I agreed to test for platinum. There is also a reason so many people have passed lush by laughing at 2k price tag. Proof doesn't warrant the price tag...."
Because they offered you a free light?
Something interesting I've found as a step parent: If I tell my step-child they cannot have something, suddenly the object is no longer desired, it immediately becomes the focus of her derision and scorn.
So yes. Plenty of people say Lush is overpriced.
It's also silly to pay full MSRP on a Lush. If you don't want a free Lumenator with your Dominator, use the code for 20% off. It's right there on the website, every time you can proceed farther in the checkout process it reminds you that if you have no other codes, here, have 20% off. If that's not enough?? Email me. I've said it possibly one thousand times by now. I like to haggle. I like to cut deals.
Also, you see, our lights are actually good enough that they are sold in many brick & mortar locations. You know, where you can go see and touch and examine them BEFORE you pay for them. Most hydro shops, in our experience, have a standard 20% discount as well. So it's sort of like we're not trying to undercut the physical businesses that we support.
"From what I have read, farmrerJohn uses them to light the walk way into his grow, because that blue spectrum is only good for a vegging plant."
LOL. No. John knew that angling the lights correctly on the sides would provide more than enough light for his plant... he didn't want one side to get all big and juicy in the light and the other to get no light.
Mmmkay. There you go, buddy.
Sweetness!
I have a bonsai on my patio too. I train it about as much as I train myself...so we're cool. 
