Couldn't Resist A Christmas Auto Grow

[Azimuth]

As I recall one of our most scientific members (Sue) recommended 110c for 110mins.

But that was for extracting into oil in an Instant Pot, right? I wonder if there are different combinations of time and temp for differnt decarb methods (sous vide, loosely covered in the oven, mason jar in the oven, EVOO in open pot, Coco in pressure cooker, etc.)

so I Googled and found the 30 mins at 104C on Leafly.

I'm wondering if that might be the loosely cvoered in the oven method.

The reason I speculate is that loosely covered in the oven the heat can get right to the bud, drying it out in the process. Covered in oil may have different requirements?

I know we often point to GW Pharma's patent for the process they use, but does that translate across environments and methods.

 

[Carmen Ray]

But that was for extracting into oil in an Instant Pot, right? I wonder if there are different combinations of time and temp for differnt decarb methods (sous vide, loosely covered in the oven, mason jar in the oven, EVOO in open pot, Coco in pressure cooker, etc.)

I'm wondering if that might be the loosely cvoered in the oven method.

The reason I speculate is that loosely covered in the oven the heat can get right to the bud, drying it out in the process. Covered in oil may have different requirements?

I know we often point to GW Pharma's patent for the process they use, but does that translate across environments and methods.

Those are interesting questions you ask Azi. I'd be interested to hear if anyone reading this has any thoughts. It makes sense to me that the time and temp will change according to environment and method, whether dry or moist heat for instance.

I had a quick look online and found this detailed description on different ways, times and temps to decarb weed. I think my 30 mins at 104 in an open ss bowl is about right. I think this answers the questions we had.

 

[Melville Hobbes]

But that was for extracting into oil in an Instant Pot, right? I wonder if there are different combinations of time and temp for differnt decarb methods (sous vide, loosely covered in the oven, mason jar in the oven, EVOO in open pot, Coco in pressure cooker, etc.)

I'm wondering if that might be the loosely cvoered in the oven method.

The reason I speculate is that loosely covered in the oven the heat can get right to the bud, drying it out in the process. Covered in oil may have different requirements?

I know we often point to GW Pharma's patent for the process they use, but does that translate across environments and methods.

You can't actually set the temp on the instant pot, at least not the model I have. Your choices are Less, Normal, and More.
To make the vegetable glycerin sublinguals I ground the bud and added it to the vg, then set the time, pressure level, and heat level. 2 rounds of that with a cool down in between.
I'm pretty sure the method is the same with oil.

 

[Azimuth]

You can't actually set the temp on the instant pot, at least not the model I have. Your choices are Less, Normal, and More.
To make the vegetable glycerin sublinguals I ground the bud and added it to the vg, then set the time, pressure level, and heat level. 2 rounds of that with a cool down in between.
I'm pretty sure the method is the same with oil.

Right, but the question is, is the time and temp recommended for use with EVOO and the Instant Pot translatable to say a coco extraction in a crock pot? I know those folks go for many hours at a time. Lower temps though, so there's that.

I also wonder if the decarb step is important to do on its own first before infusing it, or can it be done altogether in one step. I think some commercial products like Ardent do it in two steps.

 

[Melville Hobbes]

Right, but the question is, is the time and temp recommended for use with EVOO and the Instant Pot translatable to say a coco extraction in a crock pot? I know those folks go for many hours at a time. Lower temps though, so there's that.

I don't think it is. I made another batch of infused vg with the magical butter machine and it was a significantly longer process for the same results. First decarbing the weed, then the 8 hour Infusion process, done twice with a cool down period.
I'm not sure what difference the pressure cooker aspect of the instant pot makes when it comes to infusions and decarbing. It cooks things a lot faster, so does it decarb weed faster? Or change the temperature at which that happens?

 

[DV8]

You can't actually set the temp on the instant pot, at least not the model I have. Your choices are Less, Normal, and More.

My wife has been trying to figure that control out on me for near on 2 decades....You still have the option to take it back, unlike my wife.

 

[Azimuth]

I don't think it is. I made another batch of infused vg with the magical butter machine and it was a significantly longer process for the same results. First decarbing the weed, then the 8 hour Infusion process, done twice with a cool down period.

I guess that's my question. We all throw around how we decarb our herb, but many of us do it in very different ways. Maybe I'll go down SweetSue's rabbit holes and see if she uncovered the answers already.

 

[Carmen Ray]

I guess that's my question. We all throw around how we decarb our herb, but many of us do it in very different ways. Maybe I'll go down SweetSue's rabbit holes and see if she uncovered the answers already.

Azi that's a good idea. If you find anything relevant please reference it here so that we have an easy link?

 

[Carmen Ray]

You can't actually set the temp on the instant pot, at least not the model I have. Your choices are Less, Normal, and More.
To make the vegetable glycerin sublinguals I ground the bud and added it to the vg, then set the time, pressure level, and heat level. 2 rounds of that with a cool down in between.
I'm pretty sure the method is the same with oil.

Mel, please tell me more about your veg glycerin sublinguals. I have a bottle of veg glycerin that I may as well use if I know how.

 

[Azimuth]

Mel, please tell me more about your veg glycerin sublinguals. I have a bottle of veg glycerin that I may as well use if I know how.

Here's Bluter's Recipe to get you started.

 

[Carmen Ray]

Here's Bluter's Recipe to get you started.

Thanks, that's great Azi. I'm interested to know if there is any benefit to using the glycerin rather than coconut oil, as it is a messier process and probably pricier.

 

[Carmen Ray]

Sprouts people, sprouts!
Sat 17th Dec update​

@HashGirl, I hope you are ok with this... I think your presentation in tables is super reader friendly, so I've gone and copied you.

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I have two embryonic weed plants as of today! That was quick. They went into paper towel on 14th Dec. Two days later they had good sized tails and I put them into their starter pots. Overnight the little ones popped their heads out of the soil.

I have decided to bottom feed them at this stage as it will be easier to keep the soil moist while I am away. I will use a bbq skewer to check moisture levels so that I avoid over watering this way. I will be away for a week. @Azimuth this is not unlike the SIP setups, just a little cruder. Do you think it would be safe for me to leave the pots in a couple of cm of water when I go, or would that endanger the roots?

I have added 1 tsp mycorrhizae and 1tsp Seagrow to a liter of water and that is what is in the saucer. The skewer tells me that one inch from the bottom is wet. There is an inch of dry soil and then the sprouts which are in an inch above that.

This is Seagrow

Thank you very much for visiting my journal to see wot's in pots. Have a brilliant weekend!

 

[Weffalo]

Sprouts people, sprouts!
Sat 17th Dec update​

@HashGirl, I hope you are ok with this... I think your presentation in tables is super reader friendly, so I've gone and copied you.

​

I have two embryonic weed plants as of today! That was quick. They went into paper towel on 14th Dec. Two days later they had good sized tails and I put them into their starter pots. Overnight the little ones popped their heads out of the soil.

I have decided to bottom feed them at this stage as it will be easier to keep the soil moist while I am away. I will use a bbq skewer to check moisture levels so that I avoid over watering this way. I will be away for a week. @Azimuth this is not unlike the SIP setups, just a little cruder. Do you think it would be safe for me to leave the pots in a couple of cm of water when I go, or would that endanger the roots?

I have added 1 tsp mycorrhizae and 1tsp Seagrow to a liter of water and that is what is in the saucer. The skewer tells me that one inch from the bottom is wet. There is an inch of dry soil and then the sprouts which are in an inch above that.

This is Seagrow

Thank you very much for visiting my journal to see wot's in pots. Have a brilliant weekend!

Looking good Carmen, cute little sprouts and great pictures! Have a great weekend as well.

 

[DV8]

Off like boxcars down the hillside. Great stuff Carmen, let the grow games begin.

*Crowd Roars*

 

[Azimuth]

Thanks, that's great Azi. I'm interested to know if there is any benefit to using the glycerin rather than coconut oil, as it is a messier process and probably pricier.

@bluter can tell you more about that. But my take is taste is a big one. The VG has a sweet, almost caramel-ly taste so good in recipies calling for sweets like candies and tinctures.

It also may be better absorbed sublingually which gets you the benefits of edibles (longer lasting, more potent for many) with the fast acting effects of smoking.

Why do think it is messier? I do mine in an Instant Pot in a loosely covered canning jar, so no mess for me.

 

[Carmen Ray]

@bluter can tell you more about that. But my take is taste is a big one. The VG has a sweet, almost caramel-ly taste so good in recipies calling for sweets like candies and tinctures.

It also may be better absorbed sublingually which gets you the benefits of edibles (longer lasting, more potent for many) with the fast acting effects of smoking.

Why do think it is messier? I do mine in an Instant Pot in a loosely covered canning jar, so no mess for me.

I thought it just looked messier from the photos. Maybe because it is more viscous than oil. I don't have an instant pot. He did say it can be done in the oven didn't he? I think another thing that makes me hesitate is that he says that the infusion process is less effective with the Vg than the coconut oil. I haven't made candies or gummies yet so I don't know about flavor but I am sure that a sweeter substance would be better in those.

Some feedback on my THC oil. I completed to infusion today and I took a tsp in a cup of coffee, now I am blissfully floaty. This is on Lavender Best and the terpenes are loud. I think this shorter decarb was good for me.

 

[Azimuth]

I thought it just looked messier from the photos.

He does a larger quantity at a time than I do so he uses a ss bowl with aluminum foil. I use a canning jar which has a lid and a screw top rim as separate pieces so I just screw the top down just enough to hold the placement of the lid while allowing it to float up at times if enough pressure builds in the jar. Once the pressure is released the lid settles back down keeping the bubbling mess very well contained.

 

[Melville Hobbes]

I think either a jar like Azi uses or a steel bowl with tin foil would work in the oven, but it would take a bit longer.
When I use the MB machine to make coconut oil I use the 2 hour setting, but for the vg it's 8.
I'm going back to the instant pot as it's less smelly as it decarbs the bud in the vg.
Come to think of it, that would help preserve the terpenes too.
The vg is absorbed more easily under the tongue, and it's easy to adjust dosing using an eyedropper.
I found the effects pretty mild, but it can also be swallowed right away so it acts more like an edible. I'm experimenting with adding it to drinks now. Results are mixed. It really does have a sweet taste. Kind of like malt balls.

 

[bluter]

I don't think it is. I made another batch of infused vg with the magical butter machine and it was a significantly longer process for the same results. First decarbing the weed, then the 8 hour Infusion process, done twice with a cool down period.
I'm not sure what difference the pressure cooker aspect of the instant pot makes when it comes to infusions and decarbing. It cooks things a lot faster, so does it decarb weed faster? Or change the temperature at which that happens?

it works with significantly more pressure applied than the MB machine. there is no reason to decarb first with an instant pot. some MB processes require you to decarb first.

the advantage to the MB is you can simply dump all the stuff in to the machine and walk away. the instant pot requires you to put it in a bowl and set the cook up.

Thanks, that's great Azi. I'm interested to know if there is any benefit to using the glycerin rather than coconut oil, as it is a messier process and probably pricier.

exact same process. coconut oil usually is the messier process as it requires an extra couple of steps, and a double boiler or other way to pre-melt the coconut oil.

He did say it can be done in the oven didn't he? I think another thing that makes me hesitate is that he says that the infusion process is less effective with the Vg than the coconut oil.

the decarb and infusion all happens in the instant pot at the same time. oven decarbs are imprecise and vary wildly from batch to batch, and require you to process the bud after the decarb.

Some feedback on my THC oil. I completed to infusion today and I took a tsp in a cup of coffee, now I am blissfully floaty. This is on Lavender Best and the terpenes are loud. I think this shorter decarb was good for me.

every oven will decarb at a slightly different rate. times and temps are both approximate, you kind of have to feel out what works for you.

 

[Carmen Ray]

He does a larger quantity at a time than I do so he uses a ss bowl with aluminum foil. I use a canning jar which has a lid and a screw top rim as separate pieces so I just screw the top down just enough to hold the placement of the lid while allowing it to float up at times if enough pressure builds in the jar. Once the pressure is released the lid settles back down keeping the bubbling mess very well contained.

That does sound mess and fuss free. Is there a way to get the same result from a crock pot for instance?

When I use the MB machine to make coconut oil I use the 2 hour setting, but for the vg it's 8.

Shew, that's long. If it takes even longer in the oven then that is not really an option. I need to find a different method.

exact same process. coconut oil usually is the messier process as it requires an extra couple of steps, and a double boiler or other way to pre-melt the coconut oil.

Who would have thought hey. It must just be the gloopy look of the Vg Thanks Bluter.