Conradino23's Another Outdoor Grow With High Brix Soil - Air-Pots & SoCal Seed Stock

[Tead]

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I'm leaning towards cooling hood one, should get my temps down effectively.

CoolTubes are significantly cooler. I've used both and the CoolTube is the one hanging in Tead's world.

 

[ilikemsticky]

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well conrad haven you narrowed it down on what your going to do with your indoor gr,ill bet your getting a little excited about getting another grow on!

 

[CareStaker]

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Growing indoors is like Christmas everyday... just sayin'!


I have both as well, and my CoolTube is sitting unused. It may in fact be slightly cooler, but I think the hood reflects better/more, so I use that and have added more inline fan power. Speaking of which, if you don't like noise, and don't want to be stuck needing more, get a good inline fan of least 8". The 6" stuff works, but it's maxed out in a big 4x4, and will need to be running max+ in summer... so bigger (and quieter) is better if there's not a big spread on price. Mine is 10". No really it is.

 

[brightlight]

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I'm thinking about something nice for veg too. Is it still about CFLs or is there something better?

One of the coolest veg only lights is the Nextlight Veg8 designed to replace an 8 tube T5. 190w LED.

 

[bobrown14]

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Couple more pennies...

Timber has some options though that might be bit cheaper, but they aren't obviously the top bin chips.

According to Timber they only use top bin chips..

read:

FAQs

I run the VERO29 V7 3K with supplemental 1750K for some red. I just got a new lamp from Timber for a 4x4 footprint with those COBs @ under $900 and free ship... I couldn't build one with parts cheaper...probably cost me $200 more DIY. The heat sinks they use are the most expensive part of the kit (parts cost wise) and are VERY efficient. With LED heat sinking is most important as they loose efficiency the hotter they run. <-- very simplified but basically true.

Can light up a 4x4 with 600ish watts at the wall. 6 COBs all running @ 100w/chip. VERY efficient. I just pulled 275g dry trimmed 1 plant last week total weight from 3 plants was 695g dry trimmed total flowering time was 91 days with 1 plant finish in 70 days and another @ 81 days, 3rd @ 91 days.

HPS still the yield king but 1.5 pounds dry trimmed isn't that shabby either and no heat.

QB boards and setup around the same price... similar efficiencies. DIY of course.

Conrad if you are getting an electrician to take a look at your wires and do an upgrade, be sure and have him/her give you a grounded circuit. Don't know the code in Italy but safety is a thing. Grounded circuits around things like water and if it 230v @ 50Hz ground is VERY important.

Safety 1st 2nd and 3rd.

Congrats on your hauls, those trimmed buds look fantastic.... again sorry about you having to leave a bunch behind, but live to grow another day, eh?

Indoor growing has all it's own drawbacks... try and stay away from Burple LEDs, they are hard to keep stealthy.

GL with your lighting project. I'm sure there's folks in the EU making quality lamps... and maybe even higher quality than what we make here in the USA.

 

[NorCaliwood]

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Alot of lights out there.................. ALOT of great lights. But a good 600-watt dimmable ballast runs under 100 bucks................ Can't be beat HID for starting an indoor grow. LED's are nice IF you have acouple extra hunderd to spend............... GL and Keepem Green

 

[Neiko]

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One of the coolest veg only lights is the Nextlight Veg8 designed to replace an 8 tube T5. 190w LED.

I use that light, it's a beast. I also have 2 525's. Those lights produce big time. I have a 525 in each 4x4 with about 300 actual watts of blurple paired with them.

 

[ilikemsticky]

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hey conrad hows it going out your way hope everything is good in your world,i did the flip today let the games begin lol!

 

[Radogast]

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I'm leaning towards cooling hood one, should get my temps down effectively. I'm thinking about something nice for veg too. Is it still about CFLs or is there something better?

I like CFL for a dedicated veg space. Cheap. Reliable. Not too much heat. (I don't have any cooling in my veg space.)

If you are vegging and flowering in the same space, you might want to go for LEDs to veg quicker. If you have seperate spaces, the speed of veg doesn't matter much.

Hmm Radogast, do you think I could get a scheme of this additional circuit somewhere, so I can show it to my electrician?

Conrad if you are getting an electrician to take a look at your wires and do an upgrade, be sure and have him/her give you a grounded circuit. Don't know the code in Italy but safety is a thing. Grounded circuits around things like water and if it 230v @ 50Hz ground is VERY important.

Safety 1st 2nd and 3rd.

Congrats on your hauls, those trimmed buds look fantastic.... again sorry about you having to leave a bunch behind, but live to grow another day, eh?

Indoor growing has all it's own drawbacks... try and stay away from Burple LEDs, they are hard to keep stealthy.

GL with your lighting project. I'm sure there's folks in the EU making quality lamps... and maybe even higher quality than what we make here in the USA.

The circuit drawing a straight line from a new salvavita fuse in your fuse box to your power outlets.

I like 4-plug outlet boxes and have put in 8-12 outlets per room. Every time I put in a 2-plug outlet box I later wish it was 4.

Don't use power strips with one plug to many plugs - install lots of outlets instead.


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Grounding is essential - All 3 pins on your plug have to be correctly wired.

Ground fault protection is essential - I put in a hospital grade GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter) outlet for the first box and daisy chain the outlets through the Circuit interrupter outlet. In Britain these devices are called RCD (Residual Current Devices) or RCCB (Residual Current Circuit Breakers.)

I see a word for italy, a salvavita fuse. I can't tell if this is one for the whole house or one for each fuse. Best is a salvavita fuse protecting just your grow area outlets.


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For me, the master outlet box has the GFCI(salvavita) that protects 12 outlets in 3 boxes

Here you see the red test button (and black reset button) for the GFCI(salvavita) outlet.
A salvavita fuse (GFCI circuit breaker) would be better but is not common in USA due to building codes for bathrooms and kitchens.

The wiring for the other outlets are simpler

The second ceiling outlet is running the veg light and the air circulating fan.

I installed a third outlet for the shelves at the end of the room. I imagine this will power the cloner, stereo, tea bubbler, etc.


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The pictures are pretty much useless since the italian setup looks totally different.


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Bottom line is I encourage you to use a dedicated circuit if you can.
This means new (grounded and salvavita protected) wiring and outlets connected from the main fuse box.

Decide how much equipment you will plug in

Add up the total number of amps (or watts)

Decide how many outlets you will have and where you want them - put in 3 or 4 more outlets than you expect to need

Intall fuses, wiring, and outlets of the correct power rating for safety (probably 16 amp @ 230V = 3600 watts - or more.)

 

[TheGreenYeti]

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I have been gone for the last week and missed most of this convo about lights after I posted. This summer I was able to run my big tent and my little tent which has a 600 in it and I did not need to run my AC to keep the temps down. I hit 84 once or twice this year but it was also stupid hot outside at the time. I really like the CMH's. The yield is similar to what i got using 2 600 watt HPS' along with the same Mars in that tent. The buds are a little airier and I could use some more light. Hell even with the 600's I was unde rpowering the space I am using. LED's that are offered ready made are expensive. Blurples are still usable but they are considered inferior to COBs and now boards. Graytail has a nice set up going on with his boards and Buck has built himself a few realy nice lights. They can let you know more than I can. I will say that I will have about $800 invested in a 12 board set up that should cover my 4x8 and be more than strong enough for the area.

 

[NorCaliwood]

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Just doing a drive by..


Keepem Green

 

[Radogast]

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@TheGreenYeti - good one on 12 boards for $800 - Sounds like a winning formula.

Some of you guys in tents who grow - Am I being too careful saying a dedicated circuit?

It just seems like too much of a power draw to run a tent off the wall outlets. I don't know how you do it.

 

[brightlight]

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I use that light, it's a beast. I also have 2 525's. Those lights produce big time. I have a 525 in each 4x4 with about 300 actual watts of blurple paired with them.

Cool neiko.....good to run into a Nextlight brother. Using the Mega for flower in a 4x4.

 

[ilikemsticky]

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just passing through!

 

[ilikemsticky]

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hey conrad have you ever grown out a plant in winter at 10/14 put the plants outside for the day and inside for the dark time i 3 of them I'm going to try it with?

 

[Conradino23]

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Hey everybody! Thx for all your advice, I have a lot of things to ponder now before I make an indoor move

 

[NorCaliwood]

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Dude so many options for lights, hard to digest them all. But overall, I think all lighting has come along ways with the buying power made available with the net. Most all work. Time and place for each one. I always wanted to hook up 3 or 4, 4X4 tents with afew of the different kinds of lights just to see whats what. GL and Keepem Green

 

[Conradino23]

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hey conrad have you ever grown out a plant in winter at 10/14 put the plants outside for the day and inside for the dark time i 3 of them I'm going to try it with?

Well if the weather keeps, it should be a breeze.

 

[TheGreenYeti]

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@TheGreenYeti - good one on 12 boards for $800 - Sounds like a winning formula.

Some of you guys in tents who grow - Am I being too careful saying a dedicated circuit?

It just seems like too much of a power draw to run a tent off the wall outlets. I don't know how you do it.

My small tent is run of off a shared circuit and it sketches me out a little bit but it has been ok thus far. The big tent has two 20 amp circuits running above it. I ran it on one for the longest time and it worked ok. Funny enough my GFCI circuits that i put in had no issues at all until I bought my CMH conversion kits. Then one of them faulted a couple of times. I have since moved almost all fans and secondary equipment to the other 20 amp circuit. Since then no real issues. I had my buddy that works as an electrician do the work for me and even added a third circuit for my portable A/C. Really the 40 amps is probably more than I need for my set up but I wanted to be sure not to over load anything and I was considering stuffing more lights into the tent. I probably should have just bought another 3 conversion kits for CMH's and then run 3 in the big tent and 2 in the small one. After seeing how SHiggs plants responded to his boards though I decided it was time to get serious about LEDs.

 

[Conradino23]

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Dude so many options for lights, hard to digest them all. But overall, I think all lighting has come along ways with the buying power made available with the net. Most all work. Time and place for each one. I always wanted to hook up 3 or 4, 4X4 tents with afew of the different kinds of lights just to see whats what. GL and Keepem Green

Yeah that's a nice project, but I'll have to keep it in one tent for starters. So changing lighting has to be easy. This LED panel for veg looks pretty stellar. Actually I went to a DIY store another day and everything is LED already, you have 8-9 watt bulbs that produce anywhere from 800 to 1500 lumens. How do I figure how much power I need in my planned space? Do I need to convert it to umols?