Come on folks let's see your veg plants! Here's some for ya

paintedbudman said:
I've been growing for about 8 years. In one of my most recent plants (a Black Domina Feminized seed), I noticed it looked a little odd after it was about 18" tall. It had a very tough start as a seedling. It came out of the ground with 2 dicot leaves and then slowly grew only one very small leaf for the longest time (about 3 weeks). After that it grew a couple more single leaflets. It started growing more normally at this point until I noticed the odd symmetry. Looking at the main stem I noted that instead of each node having 2 fan leaves and two branches, each node has 3 fan leaves and 3 branches. This progresses from the base to the top of the main growing stem (see picture below, sorry for the quality, I'm not that good at taking pics). This does not however continue in this manner on the side branches. These appear to be growing normally. I just noted the development of pistols on this girl, so I'll have to keep a look out to see what happens during flowering. Has anyone else seen this before. It's a new one to me.

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i just kill the mutants.. its a very stretched out plant the internodal distances are large.. need more light and more blues..
 
Not necessarily a mutant, I think it more likely a remnant from being a very old seed. The Seeds I grew this from were almost 3 years old and only 1 of 5 germinated and it had a very very difficult time starting off. I will watch and see what it develops into. I've grown plants in this chamber with these lights before and gotten good yields and growth (over 1 lb dry from a 3x3 grow space). There is about 800 watts of light in there and according to my light meter plenty for these plants. Internodal spacing might be a bit large but then again with 3 branches from every node the spacing could be 50% larger and you would still have approximately the same leaf mass.
 
paintedbudman said:
Not necessarily a mutant, I think it more likely a remnant from being a very old seed. The Seeds I grew this from were almost 3 years old and only 1 of 5 germinated and it had a very very difficult time starting off. I will watch and see what it develops into. I've grown plants in this chamber with these lights before and gotten good yields and growth (over 1 lb dry from a 3x3 grow space). There is about 800 watts of light in there and according to my light meter plenty for these plants. Internodal spacing might be a bit large but then again with 3 branches from every node the spacing could be 50% larger and you would still have approximately the same leaf mass.
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I think your plants are burning up .. LOL 800 watts in a 3x3 is insane! 88 watts per sqft.. maxs is 50

u dont measure watts with a light meter.. ROFLMAO

complete insanity... just add up the watts of the lights

toss the light meter and get a par meter

i think u got 80 watts in the tent with that stretching ..
 
deltadubie said:
I think your plants are burning up .. LOL 800 watts in a 3x3 is insane! 88 watts per sqft.. maxs is 50

u dont measure watts with a light meter.. ROFLMAO

complete insanity... just add up the watts of the lights

toss the light meter and get a par meter

i think u got 80 watts in the tent with that stretching ..
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First, I have 2 light banks that claim a wall draw of 300 watts each, and 2 smaller 130 watt burple lights that are a few years old. Thats a total of 860 watts. I can send specs if you want. I don't see any evidence of heat stress, I maintain 75-85°F in the grow chamber.

2nd, I know you don't measure watts with a light meter. I do however have a lux/footcandle meter that does measure light intensity. Although it isn't a par meter, with a little research and knowledge about the spectrum of your lights you can approximate the par values from the LUX readings. Also, I have an app for my phone that will supposedly give you direct par readings. Not sure how accurate that one is.

Your statement about 8o watts is a crock of crap. You really don't have a clue about my setup or what I know. I find your tone insulting and your arrogance irritating.

Below is a picture of the girl currently and of the lights over top. She looks healthy to me. Maybe a bit wide on the nodal spacing but again with 3 branches at each node it seems very little problem. She fills the 3x3 chamber nicely and has just hit veg state. Based on a 100-150% stretch she should come close to filling the max height (btw i can adjust the 300watt lights intensity down if necessary, as the tops get close). The final pics are the previous grow in this cabinet harvested in November.

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paintedbudman said:
First, I have 2 light banks that claim a wall draw of 300 watts each, and 2 smaller 130 watt burple lights that are a few years old. Thats a total of 860 watts. I can send specs if you want. I don't see any evidence of heat stress, I maintain 75-85°F in the grow chamber.

2nd, I know you don't measure watts with a light meter. I do however have a lux/footcandle meter that does measure light intensity. Although it isn't a par meter, with a little research and knowledge about the spectrum of your lights you can approximate the par values from the LUX readings. Also, I have an app for my phone that will supposedly give you direct par readings. Not sure how accurate that one is.

Your statement about 8o watts is a crock of crap. You really don't have a clue about my setup or what I know. I find your tone insulting and your arrogance irritating.

Below is a picture of the girl currently and of the lights over top. She looks healthy to me. Maybe a bit wide on the nodal spacing but again with 3 branches at each node it seems very little problem. She fills the 3x3 chamber nicely and has just hit veg state. Based on a 100-150% stretch she should come close to filling the max height (btw i can adjust the 300watt lights intensity down if necessary, as the tops get close). The final pics are the previous grow in this cabinet harvested in November.

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lots of stretching .. you need better quality light ..

no my statement that 50 watts per sq foot is all you need at the maxs is correct, unless you can go to co2 enrich environment

you absolutely can not determine par values using lux meter Roflmao
 
945 watts of power here, 82 f at the canopy 2 fans and a 6 inch blower running on max 400cfm.. in a 5 x 5, therefore
37.8 watts per sq foot.. i was at 1260 watts but the ballast blew .. had to put in the back up.. have to open the doors
in day time a bit on the tent.. 85 ish.. degrees .. also tent is 1680 d so maximum reflections ..

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So let me respond. Ill match your qualifications as a biological chem tech with my own of 35 years as a product development chemist in a formulation lab. I ran an analytical test lab at a polymer production facility. I have experience in photochemical reactions to form highly crosslinked networks. I've worked in the area of color chemistry (paints, stains, dyes etc.) as well as some very light organic synthesis. I did a whole bunch of lab testing over the years in a variety of areas. I'm a published research scientist and have given presentations at nationally recognized conferences.

In response to your statement that you can't measure par with a lux meter. In the most rigorous sense you can't measure the par value directly either. If you know the spectrum of the light you are using you can approximate the par values from the LUX values. Look it up you can easily find this information. Par and Lux measurements both rely on a detector with a response function that isn't the same as our eyes or as the plants light absorption. This response is electronically filtered so that the intensity output response of the detector is the same as the absorption response of the plant (or of human eyes in the case of lux). By applying the correct transformation function to the LUX measurement, you can approximate the par spectrum from the LUX filtered response. There are some assumptions that are made but for the most part they are reasonable assumptions. If you really want to get the true par absorption response without a precalibrated detector filter applied to the measurement you need to use a photodetector that measures the energy as well as the spectrum of the incident light and also measures the reflected energy and spectrum. There is equipment out there for that. It's used in color chemistry but they are $30K-50K sometimes more. These are used to determine the calibration function for equipment like par and Lux meters (as well as many other things).
 
Smokey0418 said:
Trying to create female pollen sacs.
It will be much more than a hermie.
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fem seeds is this what you want ? better than hermie .. u dont want hermie genetics..

female buds make seeds with out pollen ..

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here s a few do si do fem seeds..

might add much better looking seed than i get from seed banks in general ..
 
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