ClosetCase420's - RDWC - 600W MH/HPS - Wonder Woman - Grow Journal - 2015

[closetcase420]

Day 18

Nothing new here, just a few pictures of the small growth.

No roots popping through the net pots yet. I did pick up Silica Blast and intend on introducing it into the grow as soon as the roots pop through.

Any idea why the one plant looks the way it does,almost like it's missing the leaf tips?

Also I'm starting to wonder if I should bother with the two really poor looking plants or just pull them.

BTW VillageIdiot.. still trying to find time to read the thread

 

[Papageno]

Not uncommon for DWC. it is trying to grow too fast..not a bad thing. potentially if there was a bit more nutes and lights it would fill in but don't worry. once it hits the res it will explode on you. The middle one is gonna hit any day that is very close. The bellow ground mass is usually about 1/3 of the plant. So the roots are about 1/2 of what you see above ground. You are almost there.

 

[Papageno]

And don't pull them yet. Wait until they turn male LOL... But seriously...what if those are the only females in the bunch?


Get some Hygrozyme (or sensizyme). I would never do a hydro run without it. The enzymes do a lot of great things but the most important is it eats up dead roots and turns them back into plant food. So when you go to cut out the males and the roots are all intertwined then you need to add the Hygrozyme to fix the problem you just created because you didn't use same strain and age clones in the same res.


Boy aren't we learning?

 

[closetcase420]

There are girls, or supposed to be.

The seeds are all feminized wonder woman seeds.

 

[closetcase420]

BTW I read through the thread you linked. You are like a walking knowledge base

Maybe you should start your own youtube videos

 

[Papageno]

just bump my rep on things you like...the little sheriff star at the bottom left.

 

[closetcase420]

I rep'd your first post on this thread. It won't let me rep you anymore before I rep someone else

 

[closetcase420]

Day 19

First sign of roots outside of the net pots, YAY!

I changed the water and did a feeding.

Base 130 PPM

added 45ml CalMag (total 260 PPM)

added 20ml Flora Gro

added 20ml Flora Micro

added 20ml Flora Bloom (total 400 PPM)

added 20ml Silica Blast

I balanced the PH at 6.0 and after about 20 minutes the PPM reading is 445.

 

[Emilya Green]

lookin good!

 

[Papageno]

You got exposed roots in more than one pot there bro...you are like 1/10 of the way there !!!!

We got yer back on this one.

 

[skunkpilot]

Yea, looks great.

 

[Papageno]

BTW I read through the thread you linked. You are like a walking knowledge base

Maybe you should start your own youtube videos

I have been asked a few times on here to do Youtube Videos. I really don't see the point. There is a ton of them out there. Why do we need more?

I don't do this because I want props or fame or respect. I couldn't care less what a bunch of pot heads online think of me.

I do value my privacy. I respect my wife's privacy even more.

I value the idea of spreading weed around the world. I want to help liberate the world from this insane BS. I also want the Karma points for when I have questions and need answers.

I do this because it is the right thing to do and all those politicians can suck my bawllz.

 

[closetcase420]

Thanks everyone..

VI.. I really appreciate all your help

So.. I do have a question today.

I forgot I had picked up Super Thrive the other day. I was thinking about introducing it into the tank to hopefully help out the girls who are not so far along. I've read a few threads and it seems like you either love it or hate it. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

 

[Papageno]

Don't do anything right now. Those are babies...all they need is patients. They gotta crawl before they can walk. Don't do something to screw up the good ones for the one dud...she will come around.

 

[PTSDgrower]

I bought a bottle of that stuff when I first started, haven't bought a bottle since...

 

[Emilya Green]

Thanks everyone..

VI.. I really appreciate all your help

So.. I do have a question today.

I forgot I had picked up Super Thrive the other day. I was thinking about introducing it into the tank to hopefully help out the girls who are not so far along. I've read a few threads and it seems like you either love it or hate it. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

I have seen superthrive work very well in veg, but I will also say that every plant in flower I have ever given it to has had severe problems, and a few have died. Superthrive is a tool for your garden kit that can solve some specific micronutrient problems... but I would never use Superthrive as a regular supplement... especially in flower.

 

[closetcase420]

And that was my thought.. I could introduce it now and use it for a few weeks to see if it helps the roots take off any faster.

With that being said I'm with VI, not adding anything that I don't need to right now.

 

[closetcase420]

Day 21 (3 weeks under the light)

The plants seem to be ok so far.
The back right girl seemed to be weeping a little bit earlier but its doing a bit better now. I also noticed it's lower leaves are brighter than the top leaves?
The center girl has one tip that looks burnt. I don't recall it happening.
The other three are just slowly coming along.

I've been having issues with PH and PPM. I know I'm trying to be a perfectionist but I check the levels like 3-4 times a day and it really fluctuates. My main concern is last night when I went to bed it was 5.3 PH and 544 PPM, when I checked it this morning it was 5.8 PH and 557 PPM. I checked it again just now and it is 5.9 PH and 590 PPM. It appears to be rising really fast, should I be concerned?

Does PH up and/or PH down affect PPM?
During the first water change and feeding, after I added the nutrients I took a reading and it was in the 360s.
I was perfectly happy with this PPM but the PH was really high.
I first used to much PH down and then added PH up to bring the PH back to 6.0.
I noticed at that time the PPM of the water increased to 445.
I don't understand why or what the PH solution has to do with PPM.

 

[Papageno]

Again relax. The 5.3 is way too low and can cause problems. I am most comfortable between 5.6 and 6.2. It is fine to go up to 6.5 if you are trying to get some calcium uptake for a problem.


There are multiple things to talk about here and I really don't know what your fancy is as far as how you want to grow and what nutes you are comfortable with. I have never used Superthrive. But you are way too early to be using that stuff yet.

One thing a lot of Hydro growers do not understand is the res should cycle up and down. If it doesn't you will have poor nute absorption. the nutes come in at different rates at different PPMs. I will dump a chart below but there are nicer looking ones out there. What you will notice is that there is no perfect Ph. At any spot something is not getting absorbed well. One way around this is to add a bunch of something so even though it doesn't absorb well at this Ph there is a lot of it. Another way is to let the res cycle around and let the plant take up what it can (that's what I do).

There are people who try to maintain it very tight... I don't... I try to give the plants the opportunity to absorb them naturally at the right Ph. That said as you read in my other rant once I get a good tea in there it stabilizes and needs no help. I have gone over many weeks before just topping off and never adjusting a thing. And that was during vigorous growth.

That said the Ph should be changing over the grow for the reasons I stated above and I will put another chart below to explain this. The nutes you want in Veg are not the same ratios you want in transition or in bloom or in late stage shut down. Since those change the ideal Ph you want should change with it. People who grow lettuce try to keep it around 6.2 and a good cannabis growers should do the same during veg. but then in bloom you want other nutes so the Ph should be adjusted to the range for better absorption of those nutes.

Ph up and Down can cause nute problems and eventually if you have put a ton of it in there it will stop working. You can read that on the label. Never trust the PPM reading in the res until it has been mixed up in the res for at least 45 min. top off buckets you can measure within 5 min but the res has a lot of factors and when you dump in to off things will adjust.

What you should NOT do is add anything while it is in the good range unless you are trying to force it to a specific Ph to solve a nute deficiency problem. So if you measure it at 5.6 in the morning and the afternoon you measure 5.9 that is fast but probably doesn't mean anything important. Most likely it will stop moving up and stabilize around there or maybe up at 6.0. What you don't do is start adding down because you think it is going up too fast. When it goes over the top limit you can add a little to bring it back to 6.4. Then what I do is take the time to slowly bring it back to 5.4 over many hours maybe 2 days. And then let it raise itself again. After about 2 cycles of this it will stabilize and need no more adjustments.

What I am saying is you should not be adding UP or DOWN when you are anywhere between 5.4 and 6.4 That is the good range and it wants to fluctuate up and down to get the popper nute absorption. People waste a ton of money and stress the plant significantly trying to maintain a small range that is unhealthy for the plant to begin with. you let it be and it will be fine and likely you will be surprised to see that tomorrow it goes back down to 5.8.

 

[Papageno]

And Ph is a log scale like the Richter scale. Changing from 6 to 5 is ten times more of a change than from 7 to 6.

7 is the center point and as you go up or down away from that the scale goes up by tens. The point is changing from 6.4 to 6.2 is a much smaller change than changing from 5.4 to 5.2.