Chef De Green Does It All: Reveg, Clones, Autos & Photos

[Reave]

Yes. Rosin and oil decarb faster than flower. It can take as little as ten minutes. Most folks go by 'when the the bubbles stop, decarb's done.'

To fully decarb flower, the rule is 110 for 110. That's 110°C (230°F) for 110 minutes or one hour 50 minutes. This was the result of a study done by a university in the Netherlands.

So if I am making rosin or oil no need to decarb the plant material first?

if using EVOO, butter canola etc... for edibles plant matter is described in oven?

oils would be de carved after but only if using in capsules or something else edible?

 

[Old Salt]

So if I am making rosin or oil no need to decarb the plant material first?

Yes, there's no need to decarb the plant material first. Oil is usually decarbed as part of the extraction process. If you look at Rick Simpson's method, after most of the solvent has evaporated, he let the temperature rise above the boiling point of water. This is when the RSO is decarbed. Some folks keep the temperature down below 190°F/88°C at the end of their run. This oil is not decarbed.

if using EVOO, butter canola etc... for edibles plant matter is described in oven?

If you use plant matter to make your EVOO, butter canola etc... then yes, you must decarb the plant matter first. You can also decarb oil or rosin, and use that to make EVOO, butter canola etc...

oils would be de carved after but only if using in capsules or something else edible?

Yes. Other cases it would need to be decarbed is for tinctures, infusions, and topicals. A general rule of thumb is that if the product is not heated at the time of use, the plant material or extract (oils and rosin) must be decarbed before adding it to the product. Another way to look at it is if it is not smoked, vaped, or used in a bong or dab rig, you must decarb first.

 

[beez0404]

The Northern Lights and QPXTD are now looking like happy little seedlings.
Northern Lights

You are remembering that the QPA X TDA are autoflowering plants? Just wondering when you'll move that to it's final home.

 

[ChefDGreen]

You are remembering that the QPA X TDA are autoflowering plants? Just wondering when you'll move that to it's final home.

I spoke with Emilya about this, she said even though it’s an auto it will benefit from staying in the solo cup until it’s drinking the whole cups worth of water in 36 hours. So I’m gonna wait til it goes from wet to dry in a day and a half. Her cups only like half full of soil, so I’m sure it’ll be in the next week.

 

[beez0404]

We'll see how it works out.

 

[ChefDGreen]

We'll see how it works out.

She even recommended that I put it into a 1 gallon intermediary pot before putting it into its final resting home.

 

[GreenGenez]

She even recommended that I put it into a 1 gallon intermediary pot before putting it into its final resting home.

Interesting, I've always put autos into their final pots (2 gal) no more than 1 week after emergence.

I've always been under the impression that autos focus on shooting down their Taproot deep. They have alot to do in a very little timeframe before they flower, so roots are very high priority. I've never repeatedly up-potted for this reason.

You should do a side by side with 2 of the same auto strain. I would but I haven't had any auto seeds for about 8 years now.

 

[ChefDGreen]

Interesting, I've always put autos into their final pots (2 gal) no more than 1 week after emergence.

I've always been under the impression that autos focus on shooting down their Taproot deep. They have alot to do in a very little timeframe before they flower, so roots are very high priority. I've never repeatedly up-potted for this reason.

You should do a side by side with 2 of the same auto strain. I would but I haven't had any auto seeds for about 8 years now.

I grew autos like five years ago, but they never did very well for me. These auto seeds were sent to me by a friend and they come from some very nice parentage. They’re a cross of his own making, nobody has grown them before. That’s why I decided to pop one. Also, harvesting at 90 days from seed is awesome... even if it’s just an oz or two.

I don’t know if I’m going to put her into a 1 gal... My instincts tell me to just put her right into her final 3 gallon pot, but I really trust Emilya. She’s never steered me wrong.

 

[beez0404]

For a couple years I had heard that auto flower plants drive their tap root straight down and when it reached the bottom that signals the plant to start flowering. I thought, I've got to know if this is true or not. So I found a cheap, clear pot about 2 gallons in size that I fit into a slightly larger blue pot. I started the auto flower seed in a perlite/hempy solo cup and at day 3 transplanted it into the clear 2 gallon pot. Each morning I would take the clear pot out, hold it up over my head and look for roots on the bottom. On day 12 I had the first hint of roots having reached the bottom of the pot. So the plant at this point in time was 15 days old. Ten days later, with not sign of flowering starting I carefully up-potted the plant into a 5 gallon bucket. The dirt clod didn't cooperate fully and a couple chunks of dirt fell off. But all in all I was happy with the transplant. The strain was Dark Devil auto and the plant began showing the first signs of pistil formation on day 33......18 days after the roots hit the bottom of the 2 gallon pot. Did that experiment prove definitively that the plant starts flowering when the taproot hits the bottom? Nah, but it was enough for me personally to dismiss that claim as fact.

One thing I do know to be true about autos is that it's incredibly important to stress them as little as possible because as @GreenGenez said autos have a tremendous amount of things to get done in a very short period of time. I personally feel that if you are really careful transplanting doesn't have to be all that stressful for a cannabis auto plant. With that in mind, and having had great success in the past following the teachings of @Emilya I would feel comfortable stepping into a 1 gallon pot. Question is when do you go from the 1 gallon into the final size pot? Too soon and the soil may fall apart which could stress the plant.

 

[Emilya Green]

Considering the accelerated and shortened lifespan of an auto, going much larger than 3 gallons is hard to justify. Thank you for the experiment, and yes, the roots to the bottom myth needs to be debunked. The real truth is that VEGETATIVE growth starts when the first task of the plant has been accomplished... the root system is in place and the plant has established itself in the soil. That tap root down to the bottom, seeking its limits and chasing the water, is one of the first things that happens and I believe that it can happen within 3 days of the plant hitting the surface in a solo cup.

 

[ChefDGreen]

For a couple years I had heard that auto flower plants drive their tap root straight down and when it reached the bottom that signals the plant to start flowering. I thought, I've got to know if this is true or not. So I found a cheap, clear pot about 2 gallons in size that I fit into a slightly larger blue pot. I started the auto flower seed in a perlite/hempy solo cup and at day 3 transplanted it into the clear 2 gallon pot. Each morning I would take the clear pot out, hold it up over my head and look for roots on the bottom. On day 12 I had the first hint of roots having reached the bottom of the pot. So the plant at this point in time was 15 days old. Ten days later, with not sign of flowering starting I carefully up-potted the plant into a 5 gallon bucket. The dirt clod didn't cooperate fully and a couple chunks of dirt fell off. But all in all I was happy with the transplant. The strain was Dark Devil auto and the plant began showing the first signs of pistil formation on day 33......18 days after the roots hit the bottom of the 2 gallon pot. Did that experiment prove definitively that the plant starts flowering when the taproot hits the bottom? Nah, but it was enough for me personally to dismiss that claim as fact.

One thing I do know to be true about autos is that it's incredibly important to stress them as little as possible because as @GreenGenez said autos have a tremendous amount of things to get done in a very short period of time. I personally feel that if you are really careful transplanting doesn't have to be all that stressful for a cannabis auto plant. With that in mind, and having had great success in the past following the teachings of @Emilya I would feel comfortable stepping into a 1 gallon pot. Question is when do you go from the 1 gallon into the final size pot? Too soon and the soil may fall apart which could stress the plant.

when Emilya and I spoke, I remember her saying I should have about two weeks in the 1 gallon pot before I need to get it into it’s final pot to set up roots for flowering. I think it’s very possible that in two weeks a healthy auto will fill out a 1 gallon pot with roots, especially if it was fully rooted in the pot it was moved from.

 

[Old Salt]

when Emilya and I spoke, I remember her saying I should have about two weeks in the 1 gallon pot before I need to get it into it’s final pot to set up roots for flowering. I think it’s very possible that in two weeks a healthy auto will fill out a 1 gallon pot with roots, especially if it was fully rooted in the pot it was moved from.

I don't know about autos, as I've not grown them. Photos? Wow! I up-potted a Granddaddy Purple two weeks ago from a one gallon to a three gallon nursery pot. The roots were already starting to circle the pot. I just up-potted it into I don't know what. It just looks better than the caged grow bags I normally used. I'm trying to grow something worthy of entering into the Plant of the Month contest.

 

[beez0404]

Be sure to sprinkle some mycos around the inside walls and bottom of the hole before placing the plant in there. It really helps. I run my autos in 4 gallon pots unless it's a big growing auto like the Fast Buds Blue Dream auto which I got from @SeedsMan last year. Those I run in a 5 gallon bucket or fabric pot.

 

[ChefDGreen]

I don't know about autos, as I've not grown them. Photos? Wow! I up-potted a Granddaddy Purple two weeks ago from a one gallon to a three gallon nursery pot. The roots were already starting to circle the pot. I just up-potted it into I don't know what. It just looks better than the caged grow bags I normally used. I'm trying to grow something worthy of entering into the Plant of the Month contest.

plant of the month... now that is a stiff competition.

speaking of granddaddy purple, my Gods Gift is almost out of sad seedling phase and into veg phase.. I’m hoping to see her looking like the two others when I come home tonight.

 

[Old Salt]

plant of the month... now that is a stiff competition.

speaking of granddaddy purple, my Gods Gift is almost out of sad seedling phase and into veg phase.. I’m hoping to see her looking like the two others when I come home tonight.

Yes, it's a challenge. Whether or not I think it's worth entering, I'll get an enjoyable harvest from it.

 

[ChefDGreen]

I decided to just move this to my journal.

I’ve been looking around at our sponsor seed banks, and I’m thinking to myself, “what do I even want more seeds for. What effect am I chasing?” I realized, I need to figure out what kinds of effects I’m potentially holding. So I’m gonna start digging into terpenes.

Terpenes are what drive the high of cannabis flower. The ratios and families of terpenes are what make each strain have different effects. Each strain is a different combination of specific terpenes, but in general the terpenes found in cannabis fall into 4 categories; floral, fruity, earthy, and gas.

I’d like to catalogue my personal seed collection so I can have a clear idea of where my stock falls terpene wise. Once I understand the potential terpene profile of most of my stock, I’ll have a clearer idea of how different the seeds that I buy are. I need to know this so when I buy seeds I’m truly, genetically differentiating the experience of the flowers I’ll produce. The more kinds of different bud I grow, the more I understand the nuances of cannabis flower... unfortunately, I do not have the money to send samples for analysis, or I would. Ultimately, my goal is not only to be the best cultivator/gardener that I can be, but also the best connoisseur of cannabis that I can be.



Gardening with this in mind will help us all expand our exposure to a variety of terpenes. I believe viewing the material we grow in this light will allow us to be more educated cultivators, and will help us in relating to the grow journals of our peers. The more we think strain equals terpene profile the more easily we can lead new growers to strains that might suit their fancy, have a better understand of the tastes of our peers, and more effectively help the people who suffer.


I have to acknowledge the fact that aroma and effect are subjective. We don’t all feel the effects the same way, and that’s the truth. we don’t all analyze what we’re feeling or smelling the same. Bias often comes into play. It’s a challenge that we face using the experience of others. This is where comparison comes in. When you have something very different to compare a particularly complex smell/effect to, it makes things easier.



I’m going to post, as well as I can, the terpenes related to the strains I’m growing. I will eventually do all of the seeds I have.

 

[Reave]

Right bro? Some people just think weed is weed. Almost bothers me a bit. Oh well to each their own. I love the little intricacies of different cannabis. Most I like though, I just also enjoy the differences. I really mostly like sativas but once in a while an Indica like MK ultra I find very nice as well. Got to keep trying stuff there is so much.

 

[ChefDGreen]

Right bro? Some people just think weed is weed. Almost bothers me a bit. Oh well to each their own. I love the little intricacies of different cannabis. Most I like though, I just also enjoy the differences. I really mostly like sativas but once in a while an Indica like MK ultra I find very nice as well. Got to keep trying stuff there is so much.

it really bothers me...especially that ever-so-common “I don’t like weed it makes me paranoid.” Smoke a bit of something like blue dream and there’s no way you get paranoid. For me, I’m a gas junky I think. I’m always drawn to the super aggressive, mind and body crushing high that gas heavy strains provide.. but I want to branch out. I want to arrive at a point where I have a classic example of each of the four highs in my garden.

 

[MagicJim]

I’d like to catalogue my personal seed collection so I can have a clear idea of where my stock falls terpene wise. Once I understand the potential terpene profile of most of my stock, I’ll have a clearer idea of how different the seeds that I buy are. I need to know this so when I buy seeds I’m truly, genetically differentiating the experience of the flowers I’ll produce. The more kinds of different bud I grow, the more I understand the nuances of cannabis flower... unfortunately, I do not have the money to send samples for analysis, or I would. Ultimately, my goal is not only to be the best cultivator/gardener that I can be, but also the best connoisseur of cannabis that I can be.

I smoked cigarettes for what seems like all my life so I have very little ability to smell or taste. But I grow searching for what gets me high and agree totally with the terpene entourage effect. I too would love to be able to afford to have my herb tested to see if I could figure out what it is that lights me up beside THC percentage. The one thing I know is that the cannabis we grow beats the pants off of commercial products that I bought for so many years.

 

[Reave]

Actually none of the ones I grow make you paranoid except maybe white widow. That o e can hit pretty hard sometimes. Blue Dream what one growing this run.

what are some gas heavy strains? Would train wreck be an example?