Cannabis Oil Users Cafe & Lounge

[Lady Cannafan]

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Thanks Radogast and Panacea, that was very helpful! I think I could probably control the stretch with indoor growing.

My brother has decided he's going to grow again, it's been over 30 years since he did so. I think I'll suggest he order that with his first seed order.
It is going to be awesome to have a "partner" grower in the real world to converse with and test things out. He'll be trying an outdoor grow in the spring. He is waaaaaay back in the boonies. LOL
His wife had to go through radiation and chemo last year for breast cancer. He really wants to see what he can do about maintenance and prevention of any more issues now.

 

[circuit]

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Regarding blood pressure and how it is affected by cannabis oil, there is no doubt that my usage has resulted in lower BP, but relating the exact numbers to consumption is not really possible, at least not with any reasonable accuracy, because of all the variables. Mine went from 125/82 to 97/68.) Generally, edible cannabis oil does have a downward effect on BP. This is something to watch out for if someone has low BP, as if it gets too low, fainting is a problem. Because CCO changes BP, it is a good idea to keep an eye on these numbers. I was surprised how cheap the devices are, just find a half price sale for an Omron with an upper arm cuff, not the wrist style.

 

[Dave Groomer]

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I wonder how much stretch you would get under LEDs? Honestly, I seem to get very little under my Mars 900. Certainly not 2-3 times in flower. Maybe 1.5-2? I keep the lights at 14-16" in flower and I get tight nodes with limiting my stretch.

 

[circuit]

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When it comes to concealing meds, when I travel, there are a couple pill bottles in my checked bag, they are mixed vitamins and capsules that would only get tested if I went somewhere like Texas. Kidding, DFW was no problem, but those TSA bastards put me through it at Sun Harbor in Phoenix, even swabbed my fingers. They have never bothered the caps.

 

[Curly Beaver]

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When it comes to concealing meds, when I travel, there are a couple pill bottles in my checked bag, they are mixed vitamins and capsules that would only get tested if I went somewhere like Texas. Kidding, DFW was no problem, but those TSA bastards put me through it at Sun Harbor in Phoenix, even swabbed my fingers. They have never bothered the caps.

I really like the idea of swallowing a capsule, as I am having a hard time with tacking, but how do you get away without getting the euphoria like with a sloppy tack? Or do you just deal with it?

 

[SweetSue]

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Regarding blood pressure and how it is affected by cannabis oil, there is no doubt that my usage has resulted in lower BP, but relating the exact numbers to consumption is not really possible, at least not with any reasonable accuracy, because of all the variables. Mine went from 125/82 to 97/68.) Generally, edible cannabis oil does have a downward effect on BP. This is something to watch out for if someone has low BP, as if it gets too low, fainting is a problem. Because CCO changes BP, it is a good idea to keep an eye on these numbers. I was surprised how cheap the devices are, just find a half price sale for an Omron with an upper arm cuff, not the wrist style.

Dale and I used to track his BP all the time when we smoked and there's an immediate drop in blood pressure with the introduction of cannabinoids. He had to have a certain threshold met before we decided on which bags to set up for peritoneal dialysis and he'd take the BP readings before we smoked, because as soon as he started to get high it'd drop right off and we'd have to go with bags that had a lower glucose concentration, which wouldn't pull off as much fluid. He played kinda fast and loose with that. It was like a game with him, but we knew he was close to the end by then and what are you gonna do, eh?

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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I wonder how much stretch you would get under LEDs? Honestly, I seem to get very little under my Mars 900. Certainly not 2-3 times in flower. Maybe 1.5-2? I keep the lights at 14-16" in flower and I get tight nodes with limiting my stretch.

Depends on the strain. My White Widows stretch big time, even under the LED's, just my personal experience with those.

 

[SweetSue]

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I really like the idea of swallowing a capsule, as I am having a hard time with tacking, but how do you get away without getting the euphoria like with a sloppy tack? Or do you just deal with it?

I'm working through this very concept over the next couple days, consulting with Cajun to get it written up for the cancer protocol thread. Be patient with me please. This is my last day in Phoenix and it's going to be crazy here. I fly out first thing tomorrow morning, so realistically, it may be the weekend before I get it up. He assures me there's a way to increase bioavailibity and control euphoria with alternatives to tacking.

That's been part of my ongoing conversation with PsyCro as well.

 

[Curly Beaver]

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I'm working through this very concept over the next couple days, consulting with Cajun to get it written up for the cancer protocol thread. Be patient with me please. This is my last day in Phoenix and it's going to be crazy here. I fly out first thing tomorrow morning, so realistically, it may be the weekend before I get it up. He assures me there's a way to increase bioavailibity and control euphoria with alternatives to tacking.

That's been part of my ongoing conversation with PsyCro as well.

I did not know you were looking into it but I will watch for your post.

 

[circuit]

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I had been taking Citicoline to help with balancing out the head effect, but it was not really helping, and then I read that it is not a good idea to take it at all if you are a cancer survivor. Something about how it can increase vascular growth, exactly opposite of what someone trying to inhibit tumors needs. Anyway, you should rule out Citicoline if cancer is a concern. My breakthrough with being able to handle larger doses was to just go for it, but not in the morning on the way to the office, wait until you are done with driving for the day. After struggling with 50-100mg per day, I made up some 325mg caps and just started taking. One Friday afternoon I took 2 and discovered that the high sensation was the same if I took 100 or 400, the larger dose just lasted longer. Red eyes are an issue, even with edible oil, so I keep the Visine handy. A very straight person stopped by the first time I ate a whole gram, we chatted for half an hour and I had no problems with the situation, just a little nervous at first. So yeah, getting used to the sensation and then discovering your plateau looks like a good way to deal with it. Many people who use a lot of cannabis reach the point where they don't get high at all, which I think is simply the brain getting accustomed to the sensation. Driving is my biggest issue, my worst fear is getting clobbered by an idiot and then having my blood level get tested.

 

[SweetSue]

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I don't have a complete understanding at all yet, but I do know that it's tied into building the tolerances and spreading the doses up over time. That's essentially what you do with tacking. If it works with tacking it works with other delivery systems. The idea is get those cannabinoids into the system with the greatest level of bioavailibity and the least concerns with euphoria.

I have a hard time with the idea that we have to be cautious with our meds because the corporate world still clings to the idea that the only use for cannabis is to get high. Having said that I'll admit that after seven weeks without I can't wait to get home tomorrow and tear into my harvest. That anticipation has as much to do with getting back on regular med doses as it does with my desire to feel the sativa zippiest of Carnival again.

 

[panacea]

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One little suggestion if anyone decides to make the canna-flax-lecithin capsules. Dilute your cannabis oil with a tad of food grade alcohol with a low heat , it mixes better with the flax. I also found slightly warming the lecithin to make the consistency a little runnier (could also add another tiny bit of alcohol if need to) before mixing with the 3 tbsp of flaxseed oil will make everything come out better in the end. The first time making this I had a problem with the flax canna separating from the lecithin( had a foamy top with oily bottom) I also use a whisk on a electric beater. But you may find an easier way of mixing then me. Each for their own. /l\

 

[wildjim]

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If you can't or are unable to tack correctly, you have the option of using it as a suppository. That, done correctly, produces no euphoria so I have read. I am sure Cajun can help there. He has written many times in oil threads about suppositories.

WJ

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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If you can't or are unable to tack correctly, you have the option of using it as a suppository. That, done correctly, produces no euphoria so I have read. I am sure Cajun can help there. He has written many times in oil threads about suppositories.

WJ

I agree. I did do suppositories in the beginning per Tim's suggestions and reading from Cajun ( I believe, it's been a long time ago) just after my diagnosis. I did not get any high.

I will also say that even R. Simpson has stated that with the ingestion method some people reported no high and some people went out in left field. It's all a tolerance issue with your own body tolerances.
I stopped doing the capsules because of that. Even lower than the recommended dose and eating drinking properly, produced a high. And a nauseous feeling that wouldn't go away. I can't do that at work, can't take the chance at all.

MY EXPERIENCE ONLY - I'm not saying this is what everyone else will experience.

 

[circuit]

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Nausea is concerning, how was the oil made? I have never experienced any stomach upset with cannabis, either smoking or edible. The only effect for me has been the sudden onset of hunger, which in my case is welcome after losing a great deal of weight. There are lots of reports of vomiting after eating oil, which should be reason for concern because of all the oddball ways that are used to extract. There is also an ataxia condition that affects a lot of cannabis users, balance issues, like the warning on the dispensary bottle says. People who get seasick might find the off-balance nauseating. Maybe Dramamine would help? There is an acupressure wristband that I used to keep around for passengers who could not take drammies, that might work too.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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Nausea is concerning, how was the oil made? I have never experienced any stomach upset with cannabis, either smoking or edible. The only effect for me has been the sudden onset of hunger, which in my case is welcome after losing a great deal of weight. There are lots of reports of vomiting after eating oil, which should be reason for concern because of all the oddball ways that are used to extract. There is also an ataxia condition that affects a lot of cannabis users, balance issues, like the warning on the dispensary bottle says. People who get seasick might find the off-balance nauseating. Maybe Dramamine would help? There is an acupressure wristband that I used to keep around for passengers who could not take drammies, that might work too.

I made my own oil following Tim's instructions explicitly. It came out great! I believe white widow was the first strain I used.
In thinking back on what I was going through at the time of the diagnosis, my nausea was probably due to my own internal GI issues and the cannabis caused more irritation to it somehow. The tumor was discovered during the testing they were doing to find out what was wrong with me. That G.I. issue was fixed completely and has not returned since I started with the tacking.

And yes, I lost a tremendous amount of weight during the last couple months of that illness.
Have you managed to gain it back? I'm struggling like hell. LOL

One more thing, I can't be near an ocean.....I get sick as a dog. ;-)

 

[Dennise]

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I have known several people to get queezy after eating to many of my eatables... I always prewarn but of course most folks don't listen until after they get sick the first time... I have had 2 different people tell me they ate one of my brownies or cookies and took off to run an errand or something and turned around and went home cause they got to high.... I don't leave my property very often and I surprise myself when I do... I realize I am high as a kite and just don't realize it in my own little world... We all have to find our "comfort" zone and we most certainly build a tolerance... Tim told me I would have an issue once I had started the oil in that I wouldn't feel like I was getting stoned anymore and as always... He was right.......

 

[panacea]

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That's funny. I made a batch of 24 cupcakes using 4 grams of CCO for Christmas , Great tasting but WOW! were extremely potent . Some of my friends describe it like being on a Shroom buzz. Think I will either cut the dosage in half or double the cupcakes. lol

 

[circuit]

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I dropped 80 pounds after surgery and gained back about 8 so far, so still a ways to go. Ensure protein drinks help on days with no appetite. The White Castle cheeseburgers after a smoke seem to be the best way to take in calories. They make me happy.

I know deckhands who can tell which passengers are going to puke, as they board, and will put them on the aft rail. Puking can be very contagious. I wonder if those people are also sensitive to ataxia from cannabis. Perhaps something else in the oil caused the upset, we do need to use great caution regarding proper handling of the ingredients. Oils like coconut oil have an expiration date. I know that olive oil goes rancid, probably has some nasty biologic thing happening with that state, so perhaps one of your ingredients was the cause? I am learning about how important preservatives are to topicals and can only guess how bad it could be if a batch of edibles was contaminated with a pathogen like E. Coli. We can thank Louis Pasteur for figuring out the best way to avoid most of the problems, which is partly why I use the decarb method that I mentioned for edible oil.

 

[circuit]

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I really like the idea of swallowing a capsule, as I am having a hard time with tacking, but how do you get away without getting the euphoria like with a sloppy tack? Or do you just deal with it?

My current threshold is a lot higher, and I am kind of a lightweight compared to most, but around 50-100mg is comfortable around town. So yeah, just getting used to it, learning your limits and being able to remain calm all help with tolerance. I'll try tacking and get back to you, but my primary cannabis consumption is around half a gram, blended with coconut oil and put in capsules. Not sure if the CBD oil caps are helping control the high, but I do enjoy the calming effect from them and their joint pain reduction. The oil from the all-CBD plant has not had any noticeable head effect at all in the 200mg dose. Important to note when making CBD oil, be sure to clean out the counter top still if you use it, because the residue DOES get you stoned.