Hi hanklvr...1st off welcome to 420 forums! Your in luck...I have a friend that owns horses with your exact same problem & the same friend knows a 'horse healer' ... amazingly this lady can lay her hands on a horse and tell where their problems lay and talks to them through her hands and the vibes she picks up. My friends horse is 'grey' and apparently this is an hereditary problem and can come @ any age. And your correct, the vets normally put the horse down in this condition until cannabis concentrated oil. You got the right strain (indica) but also mixed with a high CBD oil such as Harlequin/Cannatonic etc., This also gives the horse more of a well being feeling (75/25 sativa dom.) as not to be so sluggish during the day (this is something you have to monitor and dose the CBD blend in the A.M. first thing as this will take care of pain and inflammation through the day and night). The high CBD blended with the Indica shrinks the tumors and relieves the pain (this is huge) while the high THC amount kills the cancer cells (wrapping around the cancer cell and cutting off the blood & dies). If you know this...fine, just making sure. The Vet uses coconut oil (food grade) which is a solid btw and mixes with the concentrate (just enough to make more pliable especially when its cold) by adding a little to the oil and heating up with a hair dryer and stirring well until blended properly. Also this won't tear off scabs and makes the healing faster. Then she rubs the oil well on the tumor thoroughly to penetrate well, then adds some build up and covers with gauze and tapes it place to keep foreign obstacles away. Also she has learned to dose the horse on the gums first before using the bigger doses. The size of dose you describe is a LOT to start with...this is a common mistake because you want the cancer gone NOW if not sooner and why a high CBD strain is also so important mixed in with your Indica concentrate. When dosed on the gums the CBD controls the euphoric so the horse doesn't freak or wonder what the heck is going on. The difference from my way of dosing is different somewhat from the RSO method in that my way insures no euphoric by applying smaller doses 8 times a day and is much better controlled. Also the horse feels much more normal and not skittish so much if none. Always start small and go up. When the horse works its way up to a gram (that is what we are learning...how much to dose a day, a gram, 2 grams? the answer is when the tumors start shrinking and going away). The Vet has sent me pictures of how fast the tumors are going away...in one week the tumor shrunk half size. So lets get to the point Sir.
Decrease your dosage as mentioned and instead of 3 x a day go to 8 with smaller amounts and make sure to mix a high CBD blend into your existing oil (mix just like the coco oil procedure) or dose straight CBD concentrate 1st (make that a dime size) and in about 20 minutes start the smaller doses with the Indica. This gives the CBD time to get to the G1 receptors so anything else swallowed the euphoric will be controlled by the CBD's. Make sure again that the CBD blend/straight is used only in the A.M....the Vet now doses this blend 1st thing in the morning and a booster of the CBD blend again @ noon...NO LATER so the horse can start relaxing more towards the afternoon and be ready for a good nights sleep on the Indica. So in between doses of the CBD in the morning and noon those dose's are smaller amounts of Indica and afternoon you can increase the doses of Indica....keep an eye out and see what the horse is doing and reacting. Learning to tack properly on the gums is key...yes, even on a Horse. Mr. Simpson didn't have the advantage of a high CBD strain and it allows more dosage so it can control the euphoric. The Vet also says the Horse's she works on come to like the taste of bitterness. Plz keep us posted on your 'loved' horse and keeps notes on your dosing procedures to help others. G/B and anymore questions plz ask away and hopefully this will help many others. TY
ps...make sure the coco/oil blend is for topical and on the gums straight concentrate.
And WELCOME to the 420 Forums !
Thank you Motoco 1982, I really appreciate your taking the time to respond.
I had hoped there were others trying this out on their equine friends, figured we couldn't be the only ones desperate to save their horse!
We had no clue of dose size at all starting this so we went on the premise that the weight of the horse would be a factor which apparently it's not, so glad we sorted that out as mare was getting pretty crusty and out of sorts these past few days.
I do have a few more questions for you and I warn you now some of them may be "dumb" as I have not much experience with this, so I thank you in advance for your patience.
At the moment all we can get is the indica oil, not sure if there is a safe supply of other CBD blends around us and not really willing to risk giving something we can't guarantee as safe. So if we back off the dosage per day can we do this with just the indica?
Right now I am giving the doses in a piece of apple, so if I read your instructions correctly I should be giving her first dose each day on her gums, then give small doses through the day to cut down the "high" effect on her? Should I maybe alternate between the 2 methods to help control side effects?
As for dose size I know in all Rick Simpson's info he measures by using a grain of rice as a guide, usually staring off at 1/2 grain 3 x/day. So how many of these 1/2 grains of rice are in a gram of the oil? Perhaps I should have been giving her 1/4 grain of rice 8x/day to start or less?
I am going to mix up some oil with coconut oil to put on her bumps, I would have a really hard time trying to cover them with gauze and keep it in place. We are in very cold climate (-20 to -40 for the past few months) so there is little chance of flies, dirt etc getting on the area so it shouldn't matter if we leave them uncovered?
We have only been giving the oral dose for a week and started putting topical on a couple of spots for 3 days, hoping to see if the bumps would shrink. We did take pictures and measure one very large bump so we can compare week by week. I was using the straight oil warmed up with a tiny bit of mineral oil mixed in so it would spread better, hard to keep things warm for very long around here, this coconut mix sounds so much easier.
Looking forward to hearing back from you Motoco 1982 and please thank your friend with the horses for sharing this info. Our girl is a grey mare, she is 14 now but we think she has had the melanoma for about 1 1/2 yrs, just started with a couple of bumps on the under side of her tail and spread quickly from there. So heartbreaking when you are told there is nothing to be done....
Will keep you posted, thanks again!