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Setting up a couple new tents.... going from my 4x4 to two 2x4's. I'm thinking of using TS3000 in one tent. It's for sale on FB marketplace but have had no luck. I bought one SP3000 for other tent. I just ordered some Brucebanner #3 seeds from Farmers lab seeds. I'm learning that genetics and where you get your seeds matters. My genetics for OG Kush I bought for first grow were awesome. My last two grows the same strain each grow and every plant looked different. Just saying I understand that seed company's very in quality of genetics. My first grow was the best grow thus far and I think it had a lot to do with genetics.
First Grow of OG Kush Farmers lab seeds in Vancouver.
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My plants are coming along. One hermed so I'm down to three. I think I'll stick with my seed and what's at gov. store. They get seed from a producer on Vancouver Island. One is slow to flower wich is a good thing.

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I've liked what I've seen of the seeds here in Ontario. Turns out some of the LPs have some pretty good genetics, they just can't grow them as well as they deserve.
 
Setting up a couple new tents.... going from my 4x4 to two 2x4's. I'm thinking of using TS3000 in one tent. It's for sale on FB marketplace but have had no luck. I bought one SP3000 for other tent. I just ordered some Brucebanner #3 seeds from Farmers lab seeds. I'm learning that genetics and where you get your seeds matters. My genetics for OG Kush I bought for first grow were awesome. My last two grows the same strain each grow and every plant looked different. Just saying I understand that seed company's very in quality of genetics. My first grow was the best grow thus far and I think it had a lot to do with genetics.
First Grow of OG Kush Farmers lab seeds in Vancouver.
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F1's or Landrace are what you want if you are looking for consistent kind or production of a variety. F1's are consistent in their production of stated characteristics while hybrids are not. Most seed houses don't state if a variety is a F1 and most don't carry Landrace strains. Unfortunately not all seeds out there are F1's or Landrace and also the seed house's have to be honest with what they are selling.....my limited experience of the best description of cannabis production has to go to ACE Seeds.
 
I've liked what I've seen of the seeds here in Ontario. Turns out some of the LPs have some pretty good genetics, they just can't grow them as well as they deserve.
To be fair my plants might not be a breeding problem. I've been playing with trace elements derived from salt water. My calyxes are small to in the variety that hermed. From what I see the LPs are strapped with to much over head for quality. You don't need it with a market that wants concintrates and cheap ozs.
 
To be fair my plants might not be a breeding problem. I've been playing with trace elements derived from salt water. My calyxes are small to in the variety that hermed. From what I see the LPs are strapped with to much over head for quality. You don't need it with a market that wants concintrates and cheap ozs.
Your plants are looking great. Nice even green, and no visible trace of stress.
The overhead costs of the LPs is a fair point. They also have "shareholders" pushing them to try to wring out every possible cent of profit without giving a damn what quality the end product is.
But they've also stifled the craft producers who have the quality to bring some of the black market customers into the legal market.
When I compare the LP grown Bakerstreet to what my buddy grew, there's no comparison, and they were charging $15 a gram for it.
 
F1's or Landrace are what you want if you are looking for consistent kind or production of a variety. F1's are consistent in their production of stated characteristics while hybrids are not. Most seed houses don't state if a variety is a F1 and most don't carry Landrace strains. Unfortunately not all seeds out there are F1's or Landrace and also the seed house's have to be honest with what they are selling.....my limited experience of the best description of cannabis production has to go to ACE Seeds.
Hey Chunger, great topic, glad you, PD, MH, and Odey brought that up, I agree 100%. I prefer F1s that I cross myself. I start with breeding stock from (usually, but not limited to) landrace strains like Zamal, Sinai, Thai, Malawi, India, Mexico, Nepal and Afghanistan and then I cross those in different combinations. Then I know I have hundreds of viable F1 seeds, all potentially incredible. The hybrid vigour results in larger plants with different traits. The Real Seed Company has dozens of landraces to choose from. Ace is great too, but they've usually made their own hybrids, Golden Tiger for instance is a cross between Thai and Malawi, although they do sell some pure landraces. All seem to be excellent.

My goal was to create a potent sativa that could mature outdoors in Canadian weather. Try as I might I had to put some Afghani in the mix in order to be ready by Oct 15th- a month ahead of the 100% earliest strong sativas (which previously I had to grow in pots and bring in by mid-October to finish off). My best cross to date is from several F1 crosses that I've crossed with other different F1s, there is not a single F2. It is 75% mixed sativa and 25% Afghani*. It resulted in a large plant that matured early and had effects that were VERY sativa like. The aroma if I remember correctly is closer to old time Mexican which is surprising since none of the sativas in that particular cross were from Mexico. As far as I can tell the Afghani has little effect except for earlier flowering and size, and thus far in the curing process I haven't felt any body high from it.

Shifting topics the cost of seeds makes some prohibitive. I am not going to pay 20 bucks for a seed that some of the famous Dutch companies charge. So I'll continue to do my own crossing and keep meticulous records of each one's genetic heritage, who knows maybe one will be perfect for more extreme outdoor weather in Canada.

* Original genetics: Zamal 25%, Thai 6.25%, Malawi 6.25%, Durban Poison 25%, South Indian 12.5% and Afghani 25%.
 
Hey Chunger, great topic, glad you, PD, MH, and Odey brought that up, I agree 100%. I prefer F1s that I cross myself. I start with breeding stock from (usually, but not limited to) landrace strains like Zamal, Sinai, Thai, Malawi, India, Mexico, Nepal and Afghanistan and then I cross those in different combinations. Then I know I have hundreds of viable F1 seeds, all potentially incredible. The hybrid vigour results in larger plants with different traits. The Real Seed Company has dozens of landraces to choose from. Ace is great too, but they've usually made their own hybrids, Golden Tiger for instance is a cross between Thai and Malawi, although they do sell some pure landraces. All seem to be excellent.

My goal was to create a potent sativa that could mature outdoors in Canadian weather. Try as I might I had to put some Afghani in the mix in order to be ready by Oct 15th- a month ahead of the 100% earliest strong sativas (which previously I had to grow in pots and bring in by mid-October to finish off). My best cross to date is from several F1 crosses that I've crossed with other different F1s, there is not a single F2. It is 75% mixed sativa and 25% Afghani*. It resulted in a large plant that matured early and had effects that were VERY sativa like. The aroma if I remember correctly is closer to old time Mexican which is surprising since none of the sativas in that particular cross were from Mexico. As far as I can tell the Afghani has little effect except for earlier flowering and size, and thus far in the curing process I haven't felt any body high from it.

Shifting topics the cost of seeds makes some prohibitive. I am not going to pay 20 bucks for a seed that some of the famous Dutch companies charge. So I'll continue to do my own crossing and keep meticulous records of each one's genetic heritage, who knows maybe one will be perfect for more extreme outdoor weather in Canada.

* Original genetics: Zamal 25%, Thai 6.25%, Malawi 6.25%, Durban Poison 25%, South Indian 12.5% and Afghani 25%.
Well breeding of cannabis is not in my plans as I still have some in my freezer from 3 years ago(and I gave a bunch away for the holidays). I think the price of the seeds is pretty outrageous when you consider the chances you take on getting what they describe. I have had a couple grows where none of the plants matched EA other on close observation. The only hybreed that interests me is A5 killer and even with that it's a shot in the dark as there are 4 phen's. Mal X Panama (F1) interests me as well as GT 3rd. (Which again can leave U with different outcomes).
The issue I see with seed houses is that they maybe honest but who they source from may not be providing seeds as claimed. You see this in various disclaimers. Also in my reading I have found various seed collectors claiming that variouvarious
 
Well breeding of cannabis is not in my plans as I still have some in my freezer from 3 years ago(and I gave a bunch away for the holidays). I think the price of the seeds is pretty outrageous when you consider the chances you take on getting what they describe. I have had a couple grows where none of the plants matched EA other on close observation. The only hybreed that interests me is A5 killer and even with that it's a shot in the dark as there are 4 phen's. Mal X Panama (F1) interests me as well as GT 3rd. (Which again can leave U with different outcomes).
The issue I see with seed houses is that they maybe honest but who they source from may not be providing seeds as claimed. You see this in various disclaimers. Also in my reading I have found various seed collectors claiming that variouvarious
Big fingers cut me off. That various breeders in Afghanistan, south east Asia are breeding plants that are the same name as another breeder down the road a few miles the plants are related but obviously different.
Not to promote Ace but they do carry other breeders of very different varieties collected and not altered.....
 
-22 with the windchill this morning. Light the fire, grab a coffee and boot it out to the growshed to get warm. I think the Holy Grail will be found before I'll ever find a perfect outdoor plant for my neck of the woods. Of to town today for some seed with strawberry in it and going to pick up some stuff called diamonds! Who would have ever thunk! Merry Christmas everyone. :peace:
 
A nippy -37 tonight on the prairies. Got the wood stove cranked & smoking some winter hash
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-6 in victoria I feel like a pussy even bringing up... lol Live in California up until 3 years ago.. I'm worried about seeds I ordered. I'm worried they will freeze if left in mailbox.
 
-6 in victoria I feel like a pussy even bringing up... lol Live in California up until 3 years ago.. I'm worried about seeds I ordered. I'm worried they will freeze if left in mailbox.
Your seeds should be fine. They will be a bit insulated and it’s not that cold where you are. Now here with the -30 in the sunlight lol I’m not so sure. But I think you can freeze them anyway in the right conditions.
 
-6 in victoria I feel like a pussy even bringing up... lol Live in California up until 3 years ago.. I'm worried about seeds I ordered. I'm worried they will freeze if left in mailbox.
I don't think you need to worry PD. Cannabis seeds freeze outdoors in super cold places like Central Asia and they germinate fine. Also, I know people who store seeds in the freezer or outside in their sheds or barns and they germinate too, but yeah I get you wanting to make sure they're in pristine condition. Buena suerte!
 
-6 in victoria I feel like a pussy even bringing up... lol Live in California up until 3 years ago.. I'm worried about seeds I ordered. I'm worried they will freeze if left in mailbox.
Don't worry be happy .In nature it is part of life, seeds fall off the plant, lay dormant over winter & sprout in spring
I had An auto sprout by itself from seeds dropped

some plant seeds need to go through a cold period ( stratification) to sprout proper
 
-6 in victoria is bitter,, i know

i woke up and left calgary at -38 on monday,, -20 in kelowna now,, sheesh

stay warm friends, if y'all can,, it hurts out there,, oh,, and keep them record books open,, seems it needs constant adjusting these days
 
-6 in victoria is bitter,, i know

i woke up and left calgary at -38 on monday,, -20 in kelowna now,, sheesh

stay warm friends, if y'all can,, it hurts out there,, oh,, and keep them record books open,, seems it needs constant adjusting these days
Nice , I was just out there. Drive through the pass was a bit interesting. Extreme winter storm warning. I know let’s go to Kelowna. Lol. Anyway we made it. Drive or travel safe.
 
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